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TFT Suggestion - Ranked LP Loss

Teh Manzilla··2 votes·997 views

Hello,

A couple of suggestions related to ranked LP Loss:

  1. A player shouldn't lose LP for losing in a match where everyone is ranked higher than they are. This seems expected and doesn't mean that they are a lower rank.

  2. The LP calculation should take into account how "Close" the game is. If multiple people are eliminated the same round they should get the same rank. (They should tie for the highest rank)

I played a game where I was the lowest ranked, and it was a very close game. Most people had 3-8 HP near the end when I was eliminated. I finished 6th however 3 people were eliminated in the same round as me. I lost LP afterward. I could have very easily been 4th since the 4th place person was also eliminated in the same round as me. (Not sure how the game decides the place when multiple people are eliminated in the same round.)

I think that all of us that were eliminated in the same round should have tied for 4th place and that the LP calculation should have been based on that. It was a very close game which implies that we all performed similarly.

Also, since I was the lowest ranked and placed above two people that were one or two tiers above me it seems odd that I would lose LP since it seems that I performed better than my current raking would imply.

Thanks.

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CloudedLogic3 votes

Unless they changed it, you are placed as you are eliminated (so if two people have been eliminated and you are out you come in 6th), doesn't matter if someone is eliminated immediately afterward or not.

Last season people would run into the corner furthest away from the enemy little legend if they were about to be eliminated, and one or more other people are also on the ropes of being knocked out of the game because the damage animation takes time to catch up to you based on where you are (so they in essence bought themselves maybe an extra second but it is still a dumb thing to have in the game I guess).

As for shared ranks for people being eliminated in the same round, I think that goes against their climb philosophy of half climbing, and half falling.

Teh Manzilla1 votes

{quoted} As for shared ranks for people being eliminated in the same round, I think that goes against their climb philosophy of half climbing, and half falling.

Thanks for the advice. I will try that, though if the game was designed better it really wouldn't be necessary.

I don't think that their climb philosophy of half rising and half falling makes sense in this game format in some cases. In particular, when multiple people are eliminated in a single round. Then the placing is largely RNG related. If you randomly fought the strongest player you will get eliminated more quickly than the other people elinated in the same round. Does that mean that you should get 5th and lose LP while the person eliminated a few seconds later gets 4th and gains LP? I don't think that make sense.

I was trying to find a feedback form for the game but this forum is the only place I could find for feedback. Unless this is a bug report, but I don't think that is the right place for this kind of suggestion.

CloudedLogic1 votes

Not sure where you turn in feedback honestly.

As for the randomness of getting eliminated, yeah it sucks, but I think their idea was that RNG evens out eventually "kind of."

I don't particularly agree with it, but I don't think it is terrible as long as I am not facing the same person 3-5 times in a row. While there are technically things that you "could" have done to rank higher that game, I think the game has a few too many problems atm to start with the way tied losses are broken.

Then again I don't feel this is a game that can be "balanced" in its entirety though.

Sukishoo1 votes

But it's how almost all Auto-Battlers have been designed. The top half will win, the bottom half will lose.

Unker1393 votes

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Hello,

A couple of suggestions related to ranked LP Loss:

  1. A player shouldn't lose LP for losing in a match where everyone is ranked higher than they are. This seems expected and doesn't mean that they are a lower rank.

  2. The LP calculation should take into account how "Close" the game is. If multiple people are eliminated the same round they should get the same rank. (They should tie for the highest rank)

I played a game where I was the lowest ranked, and it was a very close game. Most people had 3-8 HP near the end when I was eliminated. I finished 6th however 3 people were eliminated in the same round as me. I lost LP afterward. I could have very easily been 4th since the 4th place person was also eliminated in the same round as me. (Not sure how the game decides the place when multiple people are eliminated in the same round.)

I think that all of us that were eliminated in the same round should have tied for 4th place and that the LP calculation should have been based on that. It was a very close game which implies that we all performed similarly.

Also, since I was the lowest ranked and placed above two people that were one or two tiers above me it seems odd that I would lose LP since it seems that I performed better than my current raking would imply.

Thanks.

The game does factor in the mmr of your opponents in gains/losses. Think of each game as 7 individual matches.

Going 4-3 (4th place) win get you more LP against higher ranked players than going 4-3 against lower ranks.

They did change it so that you can't lose LP if you get 4th or better and you can't gain for 5th or worse. This chance is because high level players who couldn't get into balanced matches were losing LP for 4th and I think I heard of a couple cases of losing it for 3rd.

Sukishoo1 votes

They did change it so that you can't lose LP if you get 4th or better and you can't gain for 5th or worse. This chance is because high level players who couldn't get into balanced matches were losing LP for 4th and I think I heard of a couple cases of losing it for 3rd.

Yeah, I lost it in Third a couple times in the first set. I could even gain LP for getting 7th at times, A friend of mine that was Diamond in TFT even lost it for coming in at second.. so they had a lot of things to adjust with that one.

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