Overpowered Units and Broken Items

Dunker·Aug 3, 2019·1 votes·1,117 views

UNITS Kassadin: This unit drains mana on attack (passive demon buff but even stronger bc it has 100% success rate) AND a shield that regenerates after every attack. Either nerf the crap out of this unit or change Kassadin into a tier4 or tier5 unit to reflect how incredibly strong this unit is.

Lulu: The ability to heal through red buff is incredibly overpowered. I know, I know, you're going to say "its not a heal". But anything that increases health is a heal. That's what "heal" means. Again, either nerf the crap out of this unit or change it to a tier4 or tier5 unit to reflect its strength.

Karthus: Even without any items, Karthus can one shot an entire team. Even at tier5, this is too strong bc it doesn't act in a line or a cone. It can't be dodged without items.

Nidalee: This unit doesn't just heal once when it ults. Nidalee constantly heals with every attack. This is too strong for a tier1 unit.

Anivia: This unit creates a GIANT aoe that deals dmg, slows attack speed, procs glacial, AND it doesn't go away when Anivia dies. Every other ult from every other unit cancels/disappears when the unit dies, but somehow Anivia gets to be an exception? Why?

Aatrox: Ludicrous damage over a huge aoe that also heals based on the damage dealt... Literally one shots most units. What was Riot thinking? This should be a tier5 unit if it stays the way it is.

Shen: Why give it a nearly full mana bar at the start? It already blocks ALL attacks (autos and abilities) and he can move while its activated. This should clearly be a tier5 unit as well.

Sejuani: By far the largest aoe in the game. It freezes basically the entire board for several seconds. This is definitely worthy of {EDIT} tier5

ITEMS

_ Static Shiv : Everyone knows how important this item is. Not even Braum's ult can block a static shiv proc. If this item stays in the game the way it is, at least prevent it from stacking._

_ Ionic Spark : Possibly the most powerful item in the entire game. Even though it doesn't stack, it completely counters too many units/builds completely with just a single item._

_ Sword Breaker : A 25% chance to render a champion motionless for several seconds is absurd. That's even better than level1 glacial proc chance._

14 Comments

tiresAug 3, 20192 votes

None of these are that bad.

Kassadin is practically useless outside of early game as he can easily be focused down and deleted by any carry within seconds after like level 6.

Lulu isn’t that strong. Annoying yes, primarily the knockup, but she’s not that good and extremely squishy.

Nidalee is lowkey a joke especially with red buff or morello. Even in full wild comps I don’t find Nidalee to be a threat.

Anivia isnt much of a problem if you alter your positioning to not be stacked together.

Aatrox just got nerfed. He also doesn’t heal unless you itemize him to, I don’t know where you got that info?

Karthus is a 5 cost, of course his ability is strong. However it’s interruptable and a long cast time that can easily be stunned/killed during

Sejuani aoe isn’t the largest. Cho’s aoe is much larger.

Shen is annoying but not much different ult wise than kindred. He shouldn’t start with as much mana as he does tho, that’s the only thing I agree about for what his ability does.

As for the items, I don’t see shiv as much of a problem outside early game. Ionic spark isn’t as op as people make it out to be. And sword breaker is a direct counter to items like hush/cursed blade/heal items (gunblade/bloodthirster) etc.

DunkerAug 3, 20191 votes

Kassadin's mana burn passive remains painfully oppressive throughout the entire game. He doesn't get "focused down" quickly because of his second passive: a shield that regrows everytime he auto attacks.

The knock up is irrelevant. Its the heal that makes lulu op.

In your opinion a unit that heals itself and other units on hit without items is not a threat? Hmmm

If you've ever played tft, you know the best arrangements (other than assassins) are always bunched together to protect the backline.

Aatrox does heal based on the damage his ability does. Its incredibly overpowered. Look it up.

Its only interruptible if you get to Karthus in the first 5 seconds of the match before he casts it.

Cho's aoe is not larger than Sej's. Spitting straight facts here.

Kindred's ult is locked in place even if she moved by something like gnar's ult. Shen can move around with his ult active.

You're simply trolling if you think shiv isn't good late game. Same with ionic spark. Sword breaker isn't an item counter its a unit counter. Of course units with items aren't going to be able to use them. You're not making any sense.

tiresAug 4, 20192 votes

Kass does get focused down though, because he’s melee and always in a front line. Having any carry hit him negates the shield rather quickly, because unless he’s itemized for extreme attack speed he can’t generate enough shield to keep from getting knocked out by damage dealers, especially because your front line will be the one getting mana burned/attacked by kass.

The heal on lulu is not good. It delays an inevitable death. Even a 3star lulu adding 650 health is negatable by any carry hitting what, two to three more crits? It’s a joke if you think that’s worthy of making her a 4-5 cost. Not to mention if you raised her cost it would be nearly impossible to upgrade her as a unit, making her heal even lower (a tier 1 heal on her is only 300 which is laughable).

The best arrangements are not always bunched together. That’s the standard arrangement everyone runs but you have to rearrange your team if you’re not seeing success. If you notice you’re dying because of a large aoe and don’t do anything to try to fix your problem, that’s your own fault and not anivia/Sejuani/cho being a broken champ.

Aatrox does not heal off his ability:

“Aatrox's Ability

The Darkin Blade

TFT The Darkin Blade Aatrox cleaves the area in front of him, dealing damage to enemies inside it. Damage: 250 / 600 / 950 Mana Cost: 75 Starting Mana: 0”

Sources: https://rankedboost.com/league-of-legends/teamfight-tactics/aatrox/

https://tftactics.gg/champions/aatrox

https://www.metasrc.com/tft/champion/aatrox

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Teamfight_Tactics:Aatrox

https://lolchess.gg/champions/aatrox?hl=en-US

Can’t look up something that doesn’t exist. Again, no mention of healing on Aatrox ability anywhere.

If you can’t break through the frontline to get damage on Karthus prior to his ult going off then you should reevaluate your damage dealers. That still doesn’t change the fact that his ability is strong because he’s one of the hardest champs to obtain via rolling (from a statistical standpoint, 5 costs are hardest to obtain).

Cho has a larger aoe ability than Sejuani. Source: https://i.redd.it/cq4owwl57ld31.gif

Shens ability does not make him worthy of being a 5 cost. I can agree that he could have his starting mana be dropped but outside of that he doesn’t need to be changed.

Shiv and ionic spark are both negligible damage after early game because 100 damage on a unit with 2000+ health is laughable. At that point in the game it’s like the equivalent of a human being bit by an ant. Is it annoying? Yes. Will it be the end of your life? No. It’s a negligible nuisance at most.

Sword breaker literally is an item counter though. You just said it yourself. If a unit can’t attack it can’t use its items. Therefore, it’s an item counter.

DunkerAug 4, 20191 votes

You are simply mistaken about Aatrox's ability. He heals for dmg dealt by his ult. Either that, or they very recently changed it so that it doesn't heal anymore. I suggest you look up what Aatrox's abilities USED TO DO before you pretend to know what you're talking about.

Your source for cho's aoe being larger is a video that clearly oly shows cho's ult? [EDITED BY MODERATION - ULANOPO]

Having a carry hit Kass would do the same as having a carry hit anyone. You're not helping your point by saying he can be focused down by a carry. lmao

The heal on lulu is insanely good because it give health based on max hp. Also it can heal multiple times in a single round. Also it knocks up.

I didn't say the best arrangements are ALWAYS bunched up. I said MOST arrangements are bunched up.

Ionic spark and shiv are not negligible dmg bc they proc multiple times in a single match and effect multiple units simultaneously. Didn't you consider that? lmao

Sword breaker is a unit counter. If a unit happens to have an item on it, then of course it prevents the use of that item. You're making a round-about argument and its dishonest.

tiresAug 4, 20192 votes

Why would I look up what an ability used to do? That’s not relevant to the current game nor does it validate your point.

I did source the cho ult. If you can prove sejuanis is larger, then I’ll believe you. But so far none of the points you’ve made have evidence to back them up. Please, prove me wrong. If I am wrong I’d like to know so I can be more informed. However your word is not enough. Give me some proof.

If you can’t understand that a carry can do more damage than kass can shield, I can’t help you to understand that. I really can’t simplify it any further.

The heal on lulu isn’t that good from a numbers point of view because it can easily be out dpsed.

You also said, and this is a direct quote from your previous post:

{quoted}

If you've ever played tft, you know the best arrangements (other than assassins) are always bunched together to protect the backline.

Notice the use of the word always in that sentence?

The damage is negligible from both of those items because even multiple procs is still relatively useless in comparison to other factors (i.e. nearly any damage dealer at 2stars).

I’m not making a roundabout argument. I’m using the words you said to show that I am right. It’s not dishonest in any way.

I’m also not replying to this thread further as you’re beginning to use insults and I don’t have the patience to interact with people whose only response to having someone disagree with them is to retaliate with negativity. Have a good evening.

Edit: grammar

FoodMalfaxAug 4, 20192 votes

You are so confused! Aatrox never healed of his ult, its the fact that everyone builds a gunblade on him which heals him of damage done including ult.

Shen's ult blocks basic attacks and empowered melee attacks but does not mittigate any magical damage or any ability whatsoever.

Nidalee is plainly a joke and only strong enough as 2star early or 3 star midgame. She doesn't heal per attack like elise which has lifesteal, she instead applies a heal over time on her and the closest ally.

Karthus is strong but only trully strong with 2 star and a mana item, he has a limited number of champions he can target with his ult, any beefy comp destroys him since most have cc and his ult has a long channel time.

Sejuani has a large mana pool and no starting mana to begin with , even with mana items she is unreliable because he ult even after cast takes too much time to activate, Cho'gath in that area is far stronger, he's beefier and bigger damage and aoe size.

Anivia is summarized by one word, positioning.

Kassading is a joke, strong early if you can get a 2 star, weak otherwise, demons are far stronger since they also burn for true damage.

Lulu is only strong enough in a yordle comp, but that got nerfed and also almost any competitive comp but assasins shits on yordles. Lulu's ult is anything but a heal, she just makes a champion larger, hence logical you have to hit it more to die, it's never a heal. Save yourself the embarasment on this particular topic, you already tried once before and EVERYONE disagreed with you.

Basically all I read here is your rage fueled subjective opinion forced on us as objective. Take a break , do something to cool off and then come back for a discussion.

IllabetheAug 3, 20192 votes

Kass is weak because the shield and drain amount are FIXED by the skill. Damage far exceeds what he can usually soak. it also pales to Demon by FAR.
Lulu isn't part of any high elo strategy. It's cute at beginner random games, but bigger games are won by damage, not repeatedly adding HP to one unit.
Nidalee takes a long time to charge and easily is negated by items, and is single target and takes a long time to do her job.
Aatrox only one shots if he has Sorcerer....
Sejuani IS Tier 4.....
Shiv is garbage and is mitigateable damage.
Ionic Spark has uses but is by far not the most OP item. You can normally kill an Ionic user before it becomes dangerous.
Sword Breaker; up there, but only on specific units (Trist/Lucian)

DunkerAug 3, 20191 votes

Its better than demon because demon has a small chance to proc whereas Kass' auto attacks have a 100% chance to burn mana.
Lulu is strong throughout the entire game because of her ult which ignores red buff.
Nidalee is wild which means it takes no time for her attacks to "charge up" her ult.
You are mistaken.
Oh. I've edited my post to reflect this
You're the only person who think shiv is bad.
Most people put spark on the backline making that statement completely false.
Yeah, like all ranged units.

IllabetheAug 4, 20192 votes

Demon is 25-45% chance to FULL BURN AS DAMAGE. Kass is 20-40 Burn converted into a shield. I wouldn't call the 45% nor the burn amount SMALL.
No. She's not.
She is not by default a Sorcerer, so yes; it does take time to charge.
Normal aatrox = 700-1000 damage Skill. Sorcerer Aatrox = up to 2500 damage skill on a 2 second cooldown.
No one in Plat uses Shiv..... One proc per 3 attacks for as little damage as it does is a joke.

DunkerAug 4, 20191 votes

Compared to 100% of the time without needing other units to complete a synergy? You can't be serious.
Her ult does ignore red buff. You're mistaken.
She's wild which increases her attack speed, so no, it doesn't.
What's your point?
Everyone uses shiv. Everyone. You're simply mistaken.

FoodMalfaxAug 4, 20191 votes

Only idiots use shiv now since the nerf to damage taken, before it used to be a thing to clear weak comps faster and eliminate then. Now it's just meh. It falls off HARD late game, making it near useless, not to mention it uses a recurve and a tear , both which are essential for better items like RFC and more.

Panthaz89Aug 4, 20192 votes

{quoted}

Its better than demon because demon has a small chance to proc whereas Kass' auto attacks have a 100% chance to burn mana.

Lulu is strong throughout the entire game because of her ult which ignores red buff.

Nidalee is wild which means it takes no time for her attacks to "charge up" her ult.

You are mistaken.

Oh. I've edited my post to reflect this

You're the only person who think shiv is bad.

Most people put spark on the backline making that statement completely false.

Yeah, like all ranged units.

he's clearly not because his ability only burns some mana while Demon will take out 100% mana which sucks a ton for any units that use 100 or more there's a lot of units that can actually build mana faster than Kass can take it away by mid game.
Lulu is strong for t2 but isn't stronger than any t3 in the game so she's not really a problem.
Nid sucks and is completely useless by late game even with items and is only used for SS and Wild(which isn't even strong).
Anivia is probably the overall weakest t5 unit in the game and has to have a very strong frontline for her ult to matter and her ult actually landing in the right place.
AAtrox is strong but fine after the nerfs and no he only heals if he's using gunblade which 99% of the time he's going to have because without it he's going to die kind of fast.
Shen was given more starting mana because he would always die before getting his ability off once and his ability isn't even that great because spells can still destroy him and the characters around him easy.
Sejuani is just fine

Shiv and Ionic are oppressive early game but are just ok later in the game and Swordbreaker is only annoying on Gunslingers/BMS/Voli.

Don't get the Karthus whine going around when Sol is:

- deals just as much dmg
- cast is instant and uninterruptible
- can be combined with dragon so he's incredibly unlikely to be sniped by abilities.

BreganAug 4, 20191 votes

ITT: OP downvotes people that actually have brains because they tell him he's wrong on multiple levels

kassadin is annoying early, but by the time people are level 5 or 6+, his impact dramatically falls of. you're blowing it way out of proportion.

lulu: "waaaah my redbuff didnt fully counter her, waaaaah": the post

karthus: might need some tweaks, but my experience is that he is pretty negligible at 1star and only impactful at 2star

nidalee: proof that OP is a moron. its a HEAL OVER TIME. it only casts once. and on top of that, its broken and doesnt even work properly. its supposed to be a self cast AND the lowest health ally, but if nid is a lowest health ally, she wont cast it on anyone else as well, and doing that doesnt even amplify the heal. she doesnt heal with every attack, its a heal over time that heals in ticks. you dont even understand how the ability works. you're fucking stupid.

anivia: you're right, it should disappear when she dies. i can agree with that. not exactly grossly op though. and it doesnt proc glacial, only an attackspeed slow.

aatrox: long cast time, level 1 rarely even goes off before he dies, at WORST he needs a numbers tweak. you're over reacting. also, he doesnt (and has NEVER) naturally heal from the damage, you need gunblade to do that.

shen: again you prove that you're beyond stupid. it doesnt block abilities, only attacks.

sej: i dont really feel like weighing in on her.

inb4 op downvotes me, lol

NaramielAug 4, 20191 votes

In re Sejuani vs Cho'Gath ult, I believe the confusion is this: the visual on Sejuani's ult is smaller, but it actually hits one outside the range of the image, making them the same size in practice.