RNGesus is not my Religion

I've gotten 4 items from the third creep wave (the 2 melee/2 caster)

I've also gotten 0 items before the second carousel

Which leads to OPs point; item RNG is beyond bullshit and that they are even thinking of adding a "ranked" system to what is essentially RNG simulator 2K19 is infuriating

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Even for champions, it is not very healthy. Someone has 5x3* champs, someone keeps rerolling and gets nothing.

Yea, idk if I'm missing something but people can enter the first pvp round with 2 tier 2 champs and someone else (myself) end up sitting on a tier 1 Garden for 4 rounds.

I get there must be an RNG aspect, but I wish it could be normalized better.

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The items are the biggest flaw there, for sure. It's absurd how bad people can work on a (new) game, after having destroyed an old one.

Still, champions are too random as well: who gets the most busted first, gets an incredible advantage.

Yep. And the counter-argument to this is to build based on what you get. The flaw there is very obvious: In the beginning of the game, you're not building around what people are passing on. You're building what the RNG gods handed you. Some people get a full 3-4 synergy champ comp (triple Noble + double Knight for example, or 4 Wild, or 2 Wild 3 Yordle, etc) by Stage 2, all Tier 2, and have multiple finished items. Sure, the beginning is more forgiving with losses and thus deals less damage. However, you're literally just left to play catch-up, and if the person who gets lucky knows what they're doing, you stand zero chance at regaining some ground.

Even in their recent update, they've stated that the item RNG is going nowhere. They're just throwing in minimums, which means you'll get one item instead of zero, meanwhile someone else gets the beefy fully decked-out T2 comp by Stage 2 with multiple finished items. That's not fun. Even when I'm the person who gets ultra lucky, gets a massive win streak right in the early game, and gets a good deal of items, it simply is not fun. How many people want to win based on rolling dice instead of their own choices? I'd imagine not many League players, as you can just go play dice with friends if that's truly the game you're after.

The logic that Tencent won't tell you is simple. Dice rolls appeal to more casual audiences by making the curve less steep. If 100% of the game relied upon efficiency (and thus making the right decisions), casuals would stand very little chance at winning. Therefor, RNG (and some could argue pseudo-RNG, which favors those on a loss streak across multiple games) is implemented to ensure that even playing at 100% efficiency does not inevitably win every game. That's it, they want broader appeal to allow those without the time/interest to be given a win every now and then in order to keep the interest flowing. Interest = money in the form of cosmetic purchases.

A great counter to that paradigm is simply having legitimate matchmaking. However, League has taught them some valuable lessons. According to League's community, no one loses due to their own decisions. Therefor, due to this incredibly positive/introspective (/s) community's habitual complaints about everything under the sun being a reason for their loss(es), it simply doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense to develop a brand new system for matchmaking to ensure that you truly played against similarly skilled players. A loss would still be Rito's fault in the players' eyes. We've essentially created this RNG monster.

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Good thing Riot already announced some changes like 4 days ago. It's planned for next patch.

They're not rectifying it entirely. They're simply introducing a minimum, meaning a player will now get ONE item instead of ZERO. Meanwhile, someone else will still inevitably get 2-3 finished items by Stage 2. Same goes for every other PvE encounter -- some will get one item, one lucky player will receive loads of them. They've publicly stated that they like the fact that sometimes you get loads of items and others you don't, and refuse to change that aspect.

If you remove all of the randomness from the game what would be the point in playing it? A meta will form and it would just be everyone picking the same shit every game. Boring as fuck.

This is why you don't say bad things about Riot. You get bonus items if you say nice things.

wow cant believe ppl actually downvoted this knowing damn well the rng is fked. like whoever made the rng for this game needs to be shot in the head