Okey this is my honest feedback and probably lots of people think this way ( only if you are not a pyke abuser ) Item stacking should not be a thing in this game mode. Like stacking 3 lockets that scale with ap, stacking 2 shojin is dumb as f. Those items are the most stacked ones I see in my games, but I still see other items being stacked together and it's legit stupid.
Febos6 votesI strongly disagree with this. The problem isn't stacking items. The problem is how only a few items are worth making in the first place. Repeated items are still taking up 1 item slot. That is one less item slot for something else. All we need is the other options to be more appealing.
Also, you're forgetting an important factor. What if I'm only offered item parts that combine into the same thing? Why shouldn't I be allowed to use them in the same champion?
To reiterate. In my opinion, they should either change or buff the other options first, then consider nerfing the "meta items". Stacking isn't a problem. Cursed Blade, Guardian Angel, Redemption, etc, all those items are sub-par compared to Guinsoo, Shojin and Locket, for example.
Diviné Scâr2 votesLmao. ''What if I'm only offered item parts that combine into the same thing? Why shouldn't I be allowed to use them in the same champion?'' Are you playing with 2 characters only ? You sound to me like a player that spams only 1 comp non stop. If you are like that, then I don't even wanna hear your opinion.You sound like you are gathering the same items game after game, which is not impossbile but that's just you somehow. Have you ever faced a pyke with 2 shojin's ? Have you faced a morgana or lulu with 3ple lockets ? Have you ever faced Nida with 2ble guinsoo ? Stacking those items is so unhalthy for the game it's insane.
If they don't remove the item stacking , they should nerf shojin, locket, pyke ( this champ is just.. bs).
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Are you playing with 2 characters only?
I don't know if you've played TFT for long enough, but if I have a level 3 and a level 2 characters, I'm not going to give the items to the level 2. I'd rather "stack" them on the stronger unit. For two reason:
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You sound to me like a player that spams only 1 comp non stop. If you are like that, then I don't even wanna hear your opinion.
Unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide who shares their opinion. But since you're so curious, I'm the kind of player willing to go with non-meta stuff. For example, I won a game by making a level 3 warwick an assassin glacial.
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You sound like you are gathering the same items game after game
Riddle me this. Suppose I have the following items: BF Sword, Tear, Chain Vest and Giant Belt. What items would you combine them into? There's not much to chose from:
From those 3 options, one is undisputedly better than the others. Also, from those 3 options, one of them is without doubt the worse. Why would I chose the worse option? If anything, I could go with Zeke+Frozen, but I'd be gimping myself for not choosing the superior combination. That's what I'm saying. If there're better combinations, obviously players will save the items for those.
Another riddle for you. Suppose I have x1 BF Sword and x1 Giant Belt. Why would I waste my items on a inferior combination when I can just wait for the carousel to snatch myself a Tear for Shojin or a Chain Vest for Red Buff?
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Have you ever faced a pyke with 2 shojin's ? Have you faced a morgana or lulu with 3ple lockets ? Have you ever faced Nida with 2ble guinsoo?
I have and I don't like it either. What you're complaining about isn't the item stacking, but the champions themselves with those items.
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If they don't remove the item stacking , they should nerf shojin, locket, pyke ( this champ is just.. bs).
They won't remove item stacking. They don't need to nerf shojin just yet. They should, instead, buff the other options. Then they can nerf Shojin and whatever else is out of line.
Icy Hot Shoto3 votes{quoted} The problem isn't stacking items. The problem is how only a few items are worth making in the first place.
If stacking isn't a problem, then why is it that when any champ that needs mana gets 2 SoS, suddenly they become annoying as hell if your team doesn't onshot them first?
2 SoS on a Pyke is a PROBLEM when he's nonstop stunning. People aren't doing it because their aren't better items to use, they're doing it because it makes Pyke stun nonstop. That is annoying to the point it pisses people off because most often the Pyke managed to get angled in a way he stuns most/all of your team.
2 SoS on Lucian has him dashing all over the place, making it hard for your team to get him, especially if your team is mostly melee.
2 SoS on Lulu is nonstop ulting champions, which can sometimes have 2 champions Lulu ulted at once.
People aren't stacking it because it's the only good item, they're stacking it because it makes it annoying as all hell to fight against them.
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If stacking isn't a problem, then why is it that when any champ that needs mana gets 2 SoS, suddenly they become annoying as hell if your team doesn't onshot them first?
Maybe because the problem are the champions themselves? Food for thought.
Icy Hot Shoto1 votesMaybe because the problem are the champions themselves? Food for thought.
If it was the champion, then even just one SoS would make them impossible to deal with. But one SoS and they can be dealt with fine. Two makes it nearly impossible if you can't get them out of the fight first.
Cynicatt1 votesOn one hand, you're right that a fair few of the items need to be changed to something useful so we stop seeing the same 3-4 items every game. On the other hand, if you think item stacking isn't an annoying mechanic that feels horrible to play against, you're either wrong or a masochist.
Zemasu4 votesYeah, that's pretty stupid. double shoojin / guinsoo is toxic af
iainB852 votesI think people are over simplifying it.
You already have very limited control over what items you get throughout the course of a game, especially if you are winning early on, so this would just be a further punish to winning and give even more incentive to the throw / economy strategy.
I'm fine with that being a legit strategy, but it already feels like the predominate one. I don't think we need to give more incentive to make the early game even more pointless by having last picks on the carousel get even more screwed.
There could be a middle ground like diminishing returns or certain passives are UNIQUE but the stats can still be applied, perhaps.
TwitchInMyPants1 votesUnique passives would really do a number on balancing edge cases
DUDE BRO1 votesStacking 3 thornmails. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Rizer fang1 votesi think some items stacking is fine but like double guinsoo and shojin are op af tbh i dont think all double stack are op but the two mentioned are so i wish i could say keep double stack in game but if guinsoo and shojin are not going to get a major nerf then double stack should be removed
CloudedLogic1 votesI feel like you wouldn't need to remove stacking if you changed the items well enough, though I still wouldn't mind them removing it in general.
Shojin can be changed to reducing mana needed to use your spell by 15%. Locket can simply be changed to be like guardian (basically only one instance can affect a champ at a given time if I am not mistaken). Rageblade: I have no idea on since even if you capped the growth it would still probably be strong if you have like 2, but I very rarely ever see anyone go that route as they are spam rushing pd, and lockets at the moment.
Cynicatt1 votesIt's part of the mode, though. Right? It certainly makes the idea of ranked a joke, but at the same time it's kinda fun to be able to turn around a huge loss by crushing your enemy's souls with these admittedly bullshit items.
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Okey this is my honest feedback and probably lots of people think this way ( only if you are not a pyke abuser ) Item stacking should not be a thing in this game mode. Like stacking 3 lockets that scale with ap, stacking 2 shojin is dumb as f. Those items are the most stacked ones I see in my games, but I still see other items being stacked together and it's legit stupid.
I think only 2 items should be able to be stacked on a champ, would help some of this stupid OP stuff we see and just nerfing some of the really powerful ones so that they are more in line with the majority of underpowered items
iBén1 votesHonestly... people only run locket elementalist ever since the update. This game lacks diversity I used to be able to run any comp I wanted but now if I were to run full blademaster or knights I would instantly be shut down.