TFT is not skill to win. It's play the strongest composition then slight skill with chance.

Artúr Siedleckí·Dec 24, 2019·13 votes·4,928 views

That's why riot games does not award EXP for TFT games, there is no TRUE skill involved.

20 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 24, 20197 votes

Ok let me know when you reach Challenger consistently out of pure luck lmao. As for "play the strongest comp" yes, there are meta comps which perform better, but if you focus on doing those you will just lose more often than playing to what you roll, especially if you ignore when other players are building the same thing (as it reduces your ability to get the same champs).

Riot doesn't give xp for TFT because your level is only relevant to League matches (wouldn't make sense for someone to play TFT to level 30 then jump into LoL ranked...)

ToolmakerDec 24, 20196 votes

Even when you play to what you roll, if you don't get the correct items and champions, you are screwed.

Also, I have seen people spam one composition, and they still maintain an average win ratio.

It's all about rng. When I win, it's because I had good rng. When I lose, it's because I had bad rng (sometimes I do make mistakes), and that's just how it is.

Those Challenger players, I watch them play games. I don't see them being unable to hit their strong units, I'm just saying. And they can never explain how they win more when people ask, and they never do anything special. Can you explain what Challenger players do well that lower elo people cannot?

Also, it's easier to climb with a new account because you can inflate your mmr with a bunch of wins or top 4 against newer players.

WeexazysDec 24, 20193 votes

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Even when you play to what you roll, if you don't get the correct items and champions, you are screwed.

Also, I have seen people spam one composition, and they still maintain an average win ratio.

It's all about rng. When I win, it's because I had good rng. When I lose, it's because I had bad rng (sometimes I do make mistakes), and that's just how it is.

Those Challenger players, I watch them play games. I don't see them being unable to hit their strong units, I'm just saying. And they can never explain how they win more when people ask, and they never do anything special. Can you explain what Challenger players do well that lower elo people cannot?

Also, it's easier to climb with a new account because you can inflate your mmr with a bunch of wins or top 4 against newer players.

Im new to TFT but i noticed that every time i try to build a comp around what im getting/what others arent getting i lose. The only games i roll, and i can prove with screenshots if needed, were the ones where i just hyperrolled and slapped wtv 3 stars and items i got in the playing field. OFC i still looked to get some synergy but its not that hard to do it if you just hyperroll wtv 1 stars you get.

ToolmakerDec 27, 20191 votes

Are you saying the only games you've won are the one where you hyperrolled?

RNG I guess. I've had games where people get t3 lvl 1 units without hyperroll. A lot of time you hyperroll without being able to hit any t3 units, and once your economy is ruined, you decrease your chance for a comeback, your leveling potential, and being able to transition into the late game.

RyzeReworkDec 24, 20194 votes

Hmm how come disguised toast and scara consistently get challenger? Blaming rng in your poor skills is a reason your iron in tft

ToolmakerDec 24, 20192 votes

Let me ask you the same question. Do you know how they consistently get Challenger? What type of skills do they have that you'd say the average player does not?

Deep Terror NamiDec 24, 20193 votes

Recognizing when they need to pivot to a stronger and/or more available comp, and understanding that you only have to gain positive net LP as opposed to the poor (and common) reasoning that if you're not first you're last.

ToolmakerDec 25, 20191 votes

I don't really see how this is special, and I don't see how it could counter RNG. I see lower elo people pivoting to stronger comps. And I watch high elo players, they roll it down to get the comp they want, focusing on the units they need and focusing on a particular comp they're going for, not necessarily choosing which are more available. Even with availability, it doesn't mean you will get the units you need, the same with pivoting, and if you really need to pivot, you can end up messing with your economy because of RNG. That's why I don't see them trying to pivot too far from their current composition at like stage 3 or 4.

And I don't see anyone with the reasoning that you mentioned, but you will have to get a decent amount of 1st place to climb, as 3rd-4th place yields are easily lost with 8th or 7th place.

Deep Terror NamiDec 25, 20192 votes

If you're playing properly you rarely get bottom few spots. You get those spots when you make bad gambles all the time lol

ToolmakerDec 25, 20191 votes

Hmm I'm not sure why you believe this. I checked your history, and it looks like you've only played normals this season. Normals isn't taken as seriously as ranked or has non-competitive players. Also, since over a month ago, when you last played, there have been changes.

You know, if you are not able to stabilize in the mid game, you will lose a bunch of hp, and you will have to go on win streaks or play against ghost to stay alive, hoping that other players are killed off before you. You cannot econ when you are rapidly losing health, and that is the gamble you MUST take to have a chance, even if you didn't make any hard gambles early on.

And in order to smoothly econ with good health, you have to hope you get something strong which can carry you into the late game, and also hope the other players don't have strong compositions, and let me tell you, the players are always going for strong compositions, especially blender, ocean mages, and poison/predator. Amumu, Nami, etc. are possible at lvl 7, especially if you get Neeko.

Deep Terror NamiDec 25, 20192 votes

I haven't played in a while, I got to Plat and stopped.

However, that's not really relevant, it doesn't affect how actual good players (which is definitely not me anyway) reach Challenger consistently. The meta has changed, how the game is played effectively is not.

I do want to note that there absolutely are meta comps, and conversely, comps which are complete shit. The tricks to playing well include knowing when you don't have a good chance at filling out the best meta comp and must opt for a lesser one.

Consider when full Nobles was by far the strongest comp in the game, this is an easy example that can be generalized. If you leveled quickly to get Kayle before anyone else, you could make the full Noble comp and were guaranteed a top spot; that is, if other people doing the same exact thing didn't get there first or otherwise hurt your chances by taking Nobles from the pool. Since a lot of people did exactly this the entire patch, even though it was technically the best comp, you had an equal chance of losing hard. <-- Understanding this concept is very important, and it's only one piece of the game you're playing; there is a lot of subtle skill expression, the best players are those who look past the RNG to see and manipulate it.

ToolmakerDec 25, 20191 votes

Yeah man, you should just play the new patch and ranked, because you aren't really guessing correctly the way my games are going. And I think it's pretty awkward that you haven't been playing but still want to speak on the game play. o-o'

420 gramsDec 24, 20193 votes

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Ok let me know when you reach Challenger consistently out of pure luck lmao. As for "play the strongest comp" yes, there are meta comps which perform better, but if you focus on doing those you will just lose more often than playing to what you roll, especially if you ignore when other players are building the same thing (as it reduces your ability to get the same champs).

Riot doesn't give xp for TFT because your level is only relevant to League matches (wouldn't make sense for someone to play TFT to level 30 then jump into LoL ranked...)

I watched some challenger streams of people playing to see what they were doing differently. 3 out of 4 games, they got a really good amount of items early. The 1 out of 4 games they didn't, they finished in the bottom 3. They'd also spend all day, all week just playing TFT. And in my own games I didn't really change my strategy too much, but the difference between 1st and 8th depended on the RNG champ pool and items. So it seems like Challenger is just know the meta and have good luck while spamming games.

ThunderCraftDec 24, 20193 votes

TFT its rigged even if you have a strong hand you will lose because the game decided you will lose beforehand.

e46 FanaticDec 25, 20193 votes

Part of being good is knowing the best compositions and such. Kinda like being good a cards, it's not like someone has to have insane reflexes and a crazy brain to know how to play cards yet it's a 'skill' tons of people take pride in. everyone realizes this lol come on now...

imajnfiad10fngrsJan 5, 20203 votes

There are only a handful of compositions you need to know. Once you know them, and many people do, then it's almost entirely luck. Whoever rolls their shit first wins. The skill ceiling in this game is definitely on the lower end for 'competitive' games.

XhaidenJan 5, 20201 votes

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Part of being good is knowing the best compositions and such. Kinda like being good a cards, it's not like someone has to have insane reflexes and a crazy brain to know how to play cards yet it's a 'skill' tons of people take pride in. everyone realizes this lol come on now...

Knowing the best compositions may have a saying - but that's around 10% in a game like TFT. Due to being heavily RNG based. Would count more if this was a strategy game. The comparison with "being good at cards (real life card games - that is)" - is faulty as well. For one thing... "there's no balance issues in real life card games". Every card has a simple - yet well defined role. Takes very little time - to learn all the cards - to be able to play and enjoy a card games with friends. Tho, nobody takes pride in being skilled - at friendly games (just for fun). That skill is more apparent in games "involving bets" or the competitive scenery, as in "being a skilled bluffer (so called - poker face)". Best card players all around are not the luckiest - but the sneakiest (they win games with weak hands "by acting as if they have strong ones" or they act as if they have a week hand - fooling the competition in to betting more - only to reveal a strong hand and take everything that's on the table). Same can't be said about virtual poker - where this skill is less apparent (luck counts more) - and same goes for poker machines - where the house always wins (that's called gambling addiction - where the majority loose a big part of their earning/savings - while playing as much as an average TFT player).

Economic MigrantDec 24, 20192 votes

League is all about getting one of the skin monsters riot refuses to nerf.

Nea104Dec 24, 20191 votes

Everyone with a basic education and knowledge noticed it the moment it first came out. It's an RNG game, based on repetitive resource management, every game the same. You actually need to do something different only the very last few rounds.

And they called it "tactics" nonetheless, since they're so professional :D

Trolling NeekoDec 29, 20191 votes

Cmon:D it is AUTOCHESS. It has the same principle as chess. **Best players know each other, and most of the maneuvers **but the ones with phenomenal memory, amazing foreseeing and higher understanding of values are best of the best. The main difference from chess is AUTO, which says that champions behave as AI. summoner 13