Its so funny to see people that is not that great at the game show off their tft ranks. I mean if you are good in tft and you climb good for you! really. But it seems stupid. I mean really the Platinum rewards and borders seems so cool and rewarding. But then the same guy can get it in tft for less effort.
Illabethe1 votesI'm playing both right now and it's taking about the same amount of games in TFT as in SR to promote an account to Plat.
Granted, in TFT; Once you know and follow a meta and a general Econ strategy, you're okay. But..... the same thing could technically be said for SR: The strategy for Plat in SR: Shut off Chat, don't get toxic, and play with a decent candor.
Keep in mind 1 BAD game of TFT can set you back FOUR wins. That helps equal out the climbing expression, where SR generally only sets you back two.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesI don't get toxic and I'm Bronze 4 in SR.
SR generally only sets you back two
SR gains and losses are equal if your MMR is normal for your rank.
In fact, even when my MMR was below my rank by 2 divisions, I only lost 2 more LP per loss than I gained per win. (+16, -18)
On the other hand, TFT LP gains punish people just for being good. A plat player can play against other plat players (aka their MMR is probably about right for their rank) and still lose 150% what they gain for respective positions, which is unfair.
However, if 1 bad game of TFT sets you back 4 wins I think your MMR is below average for your rank or you're a Challenger and the system can only find diamonds for you to play with. I think that the typical gain/loss for plat (you said you were plat in the other thread) if you are of the right MMR is about losing 1.5 times a win. After patch 9.16 I gain 40 for 1st lose 60 for 8th, which is still unfair but not as bad as patch 9.15's gaining 37 and losing 85.
Illabethe1 votesNot quite how it works.
You can have a 68% Win rate and gain 9 and lose 21, depending on HOW you earned it. It depends on what you Queued as and your record in that specific role, not your aggregate.
Also, SR takes into account localized MMR (your last ~ 30 games, trends, etc) when calculating what LP you should earn. Ie.... you could gave a 70% win rate in your first 200 games, but being gaining 14 and losing 21 in your next 100 because you went on straight loss streaks.
Also, High Elo ranked LP distribution is very different than Bronze.
Even Promotion series/Demotion protection generally isn't equal. Most demotions occur in 1-2 games of hitting 0 LP, while you are forced to play with a challenging team and win 2+ of your Promotions.
In plat for a Loss, it's between 6-40. Win, 5-36. Not much of a difference, and a good player will score in the top 4 90% of the time.
Furthermore, TFT is all about YOU. Not your team. You SHOULD have to perform better.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesgood player will score in the top 4 90% of the time.
If you deserve to be where you are, aka your opponents are the same skill level as you, you will roughly place 1st 12.5% of the time, 2nd 12.5%... 7th 12.5%, 8th 12.5%.
That should not be a negative LP if your MMR matches your rank. But now, it means that over 8 games you will lose 42 LP.
In plat for a Loss, it's between 6-40. Win, 5-36.
I lose 60 for a 8th and gain 40 for a 1st
Illabethe1 votesYou do realize this is Chess and no two players are equal..... Even if you are in an approximate group of equally successful people, some are there by Luck, others by calculation, and others by a mix of both.
What you're arguing is like arguing that Grandmasters in SR should have a 50% Win rate. In reality, most have 60-68% Win rates who stay there.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesYou do realize this is Chess and no two players are equal
in chess, if a 2000 elo player plays against another 2000 player, the winner will gain the same amount of elo he would have lost if he had lost the game. If he gained 40 elo for the win, he would have lost 40 elo had he lost the game. And that's all I want for TFT.
Even if you are in an approximate group of equally successful people, some are there by Luck,
If someone could be lucky consistently over 300 games and win enough games to stay in their rank, I applaud their mad luck.
Illabethe1 votesYou know every time you cry in Summoner's Rift about some Plat/Diamond ~ 80-100 game player just completely "ints?"
Welp..... they either were boosted (less likely this season with these players) or they were just lucky and got carried.
You can get lucky in TFT just building nonstop Nobles....
P.S. If you lost at chess, You're out. Period.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesYou know every time you cry in Summoner's Rift about some Plat/Diamond ~ 80-100 game player just completely "ints?"
Welp..... they either were boosted (less likely this season with these players) or they were just lucky and got carried.
Or you know, a human being having a bad game. Maybe he came home from a long work day. Maybe he's drunk. Maybe just tired. Or just unlucky in that one game.
You can get lucky in TFT just building nonstop Nobles....
You need econ skills to build nobles consistently and manage HP to not die before you level to 8 with enough gold to reroll for Kayle. I've been playing nobles from Gold 4 to Plat 1, but because my econ skills have gone up. I now get nobles much more consistently than when I struggled to level up to 8. Not surprisingly I've been winning more often now.
P.S. If you lost at chess, You're out. Period.
Idk if you're talking about tournaments or online chess.
Chess tournaments give you +1 point for a win 0 for a loss and 1/2 for a draw. Winner of a tournament is the one with most points. You're not "out".
Your elo is calculated based on your wins, losses and the elos of the players you played against.
In online chess, you just keep playing games, and you gain and lose elo based on the elo of your opponent. A 2000 playing a 2000 will gain and lose the same amount of elo. A 2100 playing a 2000 will gain less for a win than they lose for a loss. A 2000 playing a 2100 will gain more for a win than they lose for a loss.
And once you reach the elo where you have a 50% winrate, that is the elo you're supposed to stay at.
Illabethe1 votesAll of the above suggest you're too high an elo, if this excuse is used.
If you honestly think habitual drunks climb to high elo ..... lmfao..... And if they are socially drunk..... guess what? They aren't going to get on a game and play; they're going to find the nearest couch/bed and pass out.
I've been tired a few times. I never play more than one game where I can acknowledge it affected me. Again, High elos generally don't play tired.
During the Hextech meta, I've built Noble reliably and consistently in all but 3 games of 67. Some games I have full nobles and level 9 before my opponents even have level 8. You can afford to burn about 48 coin econ and still succeed at Noble from max potential.
I Play elimination bracket Chess.
Ceilings are illusions.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes
- You honestly believe in bad games lmfao. Bad game = a meme excuse when you weren't responsible with your account, or are too prone to tilt, or simply can't keep up with game momentum.
All of the above suggest you're too high an elo, if this excuse is used.
Yeah, lemme guess, you never have a game where you first pick Khazix into Volibear Braum Pantheon Urgot and Singed.
Or you got mid but your support decided to pick Yasuo and go to your lane to take your CS, kills and XP.
Or the enemy team just happened to have a diamond duoing with a gold while you're a gold 4 lee sin mid against a Diamond Yasuo.
because that never happens ever, right?
If you honestly think habitual drunks climb to high elo ..... lmfao..... And if they are socially drunk..... guess what? They aren't going to get on a game and play; they're going to find the nearest couch/bed and pass out.
I've been tired a few times. I never play more than one game where I can acknowledge it affected me. Again, High elos generally don't play tired.
You know that high elo =/= pro in tournaments? Some high elo players are normal people who just come home from work, have a few drinks and play a few games of League to chill out after working 16 hours?
Illabethe1 votesI never first pick something with a predictable role unless I'm not playing it in that role. If I can avoid it together I don't first pick something outright counterable.
Support Yasuo wouldn't do that in high elo. Also, most mids can just switch and become the support.
high elo players who have enough competency to be there, when drunk, log in to their smurfs, or they play ARAM. They don't risk RANKED on their MAIN.
