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ARAM "Blacklist"

Artimoor··9 votes·2,250 views

So, I was thinking, do you ever play an ARAM and you have no rerolls, but you get the one -- the ONE -- champ you can't stand? I love playing ARAMs but every time I end up with a champ I just really don't want to play (whether it's one of my own [I'm looking at you, Soraka] or the FtP champs [the ones I can't play for shit]), I just KNOW I'll end up getting them in an ARAM.

What I'm proposing is that in our champion pool (outside of match or maybe before a match begins) there be an option to "Blacklist" a champion, so that they can't appear in an ARAM. You can only have one champion "Blacklisted" at a time, but can change it at any point. It might also be preferable that there is either a level requirement or a required number of champions before "Blacklisting" is available.

Alternatively, I was thinking there might be an "DARAM" mode (Drafted ARAM) in which teams can ban certain champs, then are randomly given champs that weren't banned. This could work in either format: you ban your own weak champions that you don't want; or you ban the opponents strong champions you don't want them to have.

Reasoning: For me, ARAM is mostly fun in the "random" aspect. Therefore, I don't care for "picking" my champions, but I hate getting champions I don't much care for when I don't have rerolls (and I refuse to dodge just because I don't like my champ). I think this solution could help stop some dodging, or with the alternative option could stop some repetitive strong champs.

This is just an idea I thought of, sorry if it's been thought of before. Let me know of any thoughts, comments, etcetera.

28 Comments

Ice Weasel X7 votes

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(and I refuse to dodge just because I don't like my champ)

As someone who gets annoyed by having a queue restart 5x because of selection dodgers, bless you.

Artimoor1 votes

Yes, I mean I understand why people do it, but it's not worth it to me, it's just too much hassle and so annoying for the rest of us.

ascard doombring1 votes

best person na right here

Artimoor1 votes

lol

50000000000000002 votes

But Soraka is good in ARAM...

Also, why not save the rerolls for times like that?

Artimoor1 votes

Well that depends on how you play her (and how you define "good" considering she should be support), I think, and I'm not saying I can't play her well, but sometimes I just don't want to be her.

As for the rerolls, we're limited to two and it takes quite a few plays to save them up. In between which it is very likely I will run into a champion I don't want. If I could blacklist one, I wouldn't worry about getting such champion.

50000000000000001 votes

I see your point. I try to avoid rerolling and just doing whatever is given to me, but I guess that depends on who's playing.

Artimoor1 votes

I totally try to avoid rerolling too, but that's not really the point in them being there, to be saved up for a rainy day, right? They're supposed to give you another choice, not to get rid of a champ you don't want. That's how I see it anyways. :)

Icestar11861 votes

I try to save one as a backup for when I get someone like Tryndamere or Aatrox, and use the other whenever I don't like the champion I get.

Artimoor1 votes

I try to save one up too, but like I said, there is quite a bit of time in between save-ups (usually) and I don't think it's fair to "need" a backup, especially when there could always be a worse champion one roll away :(

Hard4Hamsters2 votes

I'm conflicted on the possibility of banning champions from the ARAM pool. On one hand, I loathe facing a Sona + poke comp. But I sometimes want to face Xerath, Vel'koz, Jayce, and Nidalee to make those ARAM accounts regret their choices in life when they stall out a game for 30 minutes and still lose.

oh... and Janna...

fuck janna.

Artimoor1 votes

(I forgot about my alternative option lol)

I agree with you, and there are ways to keep it simple, for example maybe teams can only ban one champion (and therefore if your team really hates Sona, you can ban her).

JPlayah1 votes

This is cool. It removes the most frustrating part of ARAM without significantly changing the randomness of the game.

Artimoor1 votes

That's what I was thinking :D

Cindikle1 votes

Solution is to just unlock all of the champions. Everyone gains 1 reroll a game, stacking up to two.

Easiest solution anyway.

I'd rather see a trinket system brought in that helps odd comps and better itemization for ARAM. Which they are working on it seems.

Artimoor1 votes

See, I personally just don't believe in unlocking all of the champions, and it wouldn't solve the problem I'm talking about here. In fact, I think this would worsen it, as there is a greater possibility for champs you don't want (or worse yet, have never played) and that one or two reroll won't solve it.

Cindikle1 votes

The problem is that you're taking out the random.

What if there is someone who is really good on a champion you don't want to plan and ban them out? Since you don't want the champion it's still in your favor to ban it anyway since you cannot be 100% sure you'll get to trade.

ARAM isn't about getting the champion you like. That's just a bonus. Reroll system is there for champions you hate.

I do agree it's not the best solution. But it would be an easy band-aid fix.

Artimoor1 votes

See, I addressed this in another post, I don't want to "take out the random", just take out the "OMFG I'M NOT PLAYING BECAUSE THIS IS A STUPID CHAMP" part.

In my original idea, the blacklisting would not affect other summoners, only your own list, so you would only blacklist a champion you don't want to play, not about anyone else.

As for the alternative, the banning would not be like draft, you don't get a lot of options, just like "hmm, I don't want to battle Sona, so I'll ban her." And then you're done. Random selection goes on and the match continues. And you might talk with your team so you don't ban Sona when someone might want her. It might also be differentiated whether you ban for your team or the other team, but I didn't think that idea through as much.

That's not how I understand it. ARAM is about not having a choice in the champion you get, but there's no reason you should be stuck with a champion you don't want. And the reroll is not effective enough in stopping you from getting a champion you don't want.

But I feel that the "band-aid fix" is exactly what rerolls are, and it's not effective enough, in my opinion.

Raw1 votes

You should be allowed to blacklist 1 champ for every 10 champs that you owned.

Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/uaopdl525dc.png

Artimoor1 votes

Even better!

CampusWifi1 votes

I think they should just make all champs free for ARAM. It would let more people try new champs more often while still being random. It would also make it far easier for teammates to trade champions.

Artimoor1 votes

I understand why people think this, but I don't like it. It just increases your chances of getting champions you don't want. You would get even more queue dodgers, and that's something I want to avoid. I think it would be an interesting concept to try but it's not what I'm going for here.

NoMonku1 votes

If its just to blacklist one champion, I feel this system is pointless. If you have too few champions, limiting the amount you can pool from makes your champion pool possibly even more threatening, making more appearances of pokers. For people who own a lot of champions or like me who own all of them, blacklisting one champion doesn't offer much to me because I gain full RR's after 3 games if I use both in one queue, so I'm not inhibited even IF I somehow rolled my "unwanted" champion.

For your second point "DARAM" you mean ADAM (All Draft All Mid). I guess you can make this mode, but I feel it removes the point of ARAM and takes away from the spirit of it. Also, you aren't really playing ARAM anymore and are just playing poke wars. It has its merits, but I'd get bored eventually of just playing poke vs. poke all day.

Artimoor1 votes

I would first like to say thank you for commenting and sharing your opinion. This was just my thoughts and I wanted to share them. However, I am afraid I do not agree with your entire post.

As a commenter posted, I think it would be beneficial to scale the number of blacklists you get depending on the number of champions you own (therefore, the people who only own five pokers will not get any blacklists, while the people with 10 will get one, 20 will get 2, and so on). I do not feel this would be pointless as it is only meant to get rid of champions you don't feel like playing. For me, it takes longer than I care for to earn rerolls which is why I don't care for the system. Also, I must say I don't run into as many pokers that I see it as a problem. Of course, this plan is only my personal belief; if the reroll system is working for you, then i don't know why you're commenting on this....

As for my second point, I need to clarify: I do NOT mean ADAM. I completely agree with you that ADAM ruins the very point of playing on the Howling Abyss. The reason I called it DARAM is because it would still be random. The only drafted bit would be banning champions, and then teams would randomly roll champions. Therefore, you could eliminate the chance of rolling a Yi, while still maintaining the randomness.

NoMonku1 votes

The main reason I was against your first point is because you only said one champion. If you only allow one to be blacklisted out of... 12x(I think we're at that now) champions for me that does almost nothing. In reality it would only really have benefited players who already have a small champion pool or a champion pool they like while not adding much to others. If you changed your opinion to have it scaling with... poke champions... then it would be more beneficial to everyone.

Artimoor1 votes

I see. And I agree. When I posted this, I had a small champion pool but have since doubled my pool and agree that one blacklist wouldn't work. As I said, a previous commenter suggested that it scales with your own champion pool and I think that would work best: you could opt not to use it at all or you could use it on the free to play champions, as they are the ones you didn't by yourself and may not like. There are plenty of options available.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

Two champions for me.

I did not buy these champions, they were bought FOR me as a joke because my friend knew how much I hated them and how often I play ARAM. I own Poppy and Master Yi... but not on purpose ='[

Artimoor1 votes

As another person commented, I think a certain number of blacklists depending on how many champions you own would solve this, and therefore you could blacklist both (I too am not a fan of Poppy or Yi, and yet for some reason own both :/ lol)

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