It feels like the Impact of Yordles as a fantasy race in Runeterra has been replaced with Vastaya.

Yordle Gunner·Jan 6, 2020·68 votes·21,366 views

Riot has pushed Yordles into an obscure position in the Lore which lets them fade into obscurity.

The introduction of Glamour meaning any Yordles that are on Runeterra might as well be nonexistent and the removal of Bandle City from the continent and putting it into another realm nearly completely separating it from all interaction from everyone else. But replacing this race now is Vastaya.

I just want to ask Riot, why. Why put Yordles in a position where they are almost non-existent in this universe anymore. The more I think about it the disappointed I am. The world knows Vastaya and Minitouars exist why treat Yordles so differently? This isn't what they originally were and I fail to see how any of this has benefited the story telling surrounding them.

I do like Vastaya I do like the other things Riot has done with the lore but what they have done with Yordles at this point is made them the most irrelevant thing and that's sad. It can be corrected with future events, I hope it will be.

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JaspersJan 6, 202043 votes

Humanoid animals are easier to market and sell skins for. Why do you think Sett just looks a like a buff dude with cat ears?

Lore wise, Yordles have far more potential. Yet Riot don't seem to want to give them any. In a world of magic, where the dead come to life, beings of unspeakable evil roam the lands and base arse humans can be turned into gods, Yordles being short and furry with glamour hiding it isn't all that odd. They could do so much more with them, make they truely special but have yet to.

For example, Sylas since released last year has had 3 stories, appearance in a comic that wasn't about him yet the final pages were reserved for him and has retconned/influenced 3 major characters in Demacia. Corki is somewhere, we think, might be flying a plane, we don't know. He's listed as Bandle City, story is outdated and says Piltover.

Since Riot have now retconned Vastayan's from being 'born of magic' to being a bunch of people who used magic for something and what we have now are just descendents of them, it feels like the Demons and Yordles are the only true magic beings left (Angels don't exist and Darkin are Ascended who were men). No doubt they'll somehow make Yordles just human too.

boricCentaur1Jan 6, 202021 votes

I personally I think riot has 0 fucking clue what to do with them and they basically stop caring for them.

Like that new book had basically nothing but a vague description of Bandle city which is dumb. Like I was hoping for story in the city or something but we got fucking nothing.

Also we hasn't gotten a new champion for them in a long time.

Ionian VulpixJan 6, 202012 votes

Technically, Yuumi is a Bandle City champ. But the last Yordle champ was Kled.

4 Step CadenceJan 6, 202018 votes

Have any of the fantasy races on Runeterra really gotten any serious development, though? Fuck, the Vastaya's origin was completely retconned before it was even expanded upon, and the race as a whole is yet to be expanded upon/developed in the lore. The Minotaur have literally nothing going for them, and even with the recent re-introduction of them to the lore, Alistar still only has a whopping 2 paragraphs of biography and no color story. The Brakern and Skarner? Completely forgotten by most people.

Lets face it. Despite their interesting history and designs, the fantasy races are second to their human counterparts in most, if not all cases. Its not just the Yordles and Bandle City who have been basically forgotten in terms of actual lore. We need actual stories and lore for all the fantasy races and the champions that are a part of them, not more new champions of those races that are just going to be neglected and add nothing to the overall lore of the race.

Some examples:

What did we learn from Neeko? That some Vastaya are more pure than others due to their limited contact with humans, and that Neeko's tribe, the Oovi-Kat, possess the ability to shape-shift.

What did we learn from Sett? There is a tribe of wolverine Vastaya that wasn't even mentioned/named in his lore that a Rioter had to confirm because people wouldn't stop asking what kind of animal Sett is.

What did we learn from Yuumi? The spirit realm is home to weird looking talking animals. Also, there is a book that possess all the portals to and from Bandle City. We already knew about the portals, but not about the book.

See the difference? Neeko actually added something interesting and previously unheard of to the lore of the Vastaya, meanwhile Sett added basically nothing to them, just as Yuumi contributed nothing to the lore of the spirit realm/Bandle City. If there's going to be a new Yordle, new Vastaya, or any of the other fantasy races on Runeterra, let them actually fucking matter and contribute more than just a new character to play as.

ModAcademy KaynJan 6, 20205 votes

Well technically all Vastaya can 'shape-shift' technically, Neeko's tribe is simply far more adept and can change into far more different forms while the other Vastaya tend to change their selves around their typical animal. For example, Rakan could change the plume of his feathers, but it might take sometime, and they'd still be feathers.

That said, we learned that from a Rioter comment, but ah welllllll.

GreenLoreJan 6, 20204 votes

Was the background for the vastaya really retconned though?

The new backstory for the vastaya came out of nowhere, but it mostly just adds a background to the proto-vastaya(whose name I keep forgetting), the only real change was that the proto-vastaya were changed from spirits to transcended humans. Though it was said that these humans transcended through the power of the spirit realm, so they might be considered spirits themselves, in which case this was merely an expansion and not a retcon.

Eitherway I agree that the nonhuman races are getting the short end of the stick in LoLs universe. It's kinda noticeable how riot disconnects all of their vastaya champs from their tribes, so that the don't have to flesh out the tribes.

NelsieLisnenJan 6, 202012 votes

Sadly, adorable furry creatures aren't as popular as beefcakes and thots with animal ears. Not with 14 year-olds at least. In my opinion, vastaya are neither a well thought out species nor cohesive. Riot just decided to create a new faction and basically crammed every animal looking champion into it, even though they weren't created for that purpose. Most "vastaya" have really weak designs, save for Rengo and Nami maybe. Most yordles have much better lores and design, and are more engaging as characters. Stuff like Poppy, Heimer, Trist, Kled, Gnar and Veigar.

LeafyGreenJan 6, 20205 votes

I was really excited at first when they finally grouped all of the chimera hybrid animal champions into the species of Vastaya because I figured they would release more like Nami, Rengar, Wukong but instead we got Xayah and Rakan….

I let that one slide because well maybe they wanted the lovebirds to be more human or whatever to be more relatable then here comes sett who is literally a ripped guy with barely noticeable cat ears. VASTAYANS YAY!

These designs are not creative. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with sett as eye candy lol but his lore stands upon him getting made fun of for being half-vastaya and then we see him and he is 99% human -.-

4 Step CadenceJan 6, 202012 votes

Ah yes Xayah and Rakan with their wings, tails, bird legs, and feathers. You know, normal human traits.

And Sett has fur. Its likely covered up by his clothes, which is intentional because, you know, people give him shit for being a half-beast. Or he, you know, shaved it all off.

And being a Vastaya affects your personality too. Sett for is example is a wolverine Vastaya. You know what wolverines are? Violent. Insanely violent. Rakan was inspired by peacocks, and he wants to be loud and show off, like a peacock. Xayah was inspired by ravens and owls, and she likes shiny things(like crows/ravens) and hates the sun because its bright(like owls, who are for the most part nocturnal).

Also, y'all act like genetics just aren't a thing because its a fantasy world. The more the Vastaya mix with humans, the more human-like they become. That's why tribes like Rengar's, Wukong's, Nami's, and Neeko's look more animal like. They're in places where humans can't easily get to and mate with them, so they retain their Vastaya traits. Meanwhile, Sett was the offspring of a Vastaya who was already very human-like and an actual human, resulting in a mostly-human child.

Why am I the only one capable of grasping this concept?

NelsieLisnenJan 6, 20205 votes

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Ah yes Xayah and Rakan with their wings, tails, bird legs, and feathers. You know, normal human traits.

And Sett has fur. Its likely covered up by his clothes, which is intentional because, you know, people give him shit for being a half-beast. Or he, you know, shaved it all off.

And being a Vastaya affects your personality too. Sett for is example is a wolverine Vastaya. You know what wolverines are? Violent. Insanely violent. Rakan was inspired by peacocks, and he wants to be loud and show off, like a peacock. Xayah was inspired by ravens and owls, and she likes shiny things(like crows/ravens) and hates the sun because its bright(like owls, who are for the most part nocturnal).

Also, y'all act like genetics just aren't a thing because its a fantasy world. The more the Vastaya mix with humans, the more human-like they become. That's why tribes like Rengar's, Wukong's, Nami's, and Neeko's look more animal like. They're in places where humans can't easily get to and mate with them, so they retain their Vastaya traits. Meanwhile, Sett was the offspring of a Vastaya who was already very human-like and an actual human, resulting in a mostly-human child.

Why am I the only one capable of grasping this concept?

You aren't, don't flatter yourself. Some Vastaya have good designs and some don't. Sett's current design is the image we actually have to work with. If riot wanted to communicate his bestial nature more they could well have done so. The fact? Sett looks like a DMC character, with ears. That is what he communicates. And anyone can follow up a bad design with a backstory that justifies it, it doesn't make the design better. If someone was given a picture of Neeko and was asked to describe what she is, most people wouldn't even guess she's based on a chameleon. It's a flat design whose only resemblance to a chameleon is a poorly conceived tail. Sett falls in this category too. He doesn't communicate what he is supposed to be at all. He could literally be based on any aggressive animal with pointy ears and fur. Oh but they tell us he is based on a badger/wolverine, gotcha, designed fixed I guess. In the same vein you could make any character into a vastaya. Here, Braum is a cow Vastaya that has the digestive tract of a cow. Wait what do you mean it's a shit design? I just justified it didn't I ?

WAZZZUP500Jan 7, 20202 votes

I mean it's pretty obvious that neeko is a chameleon when you know that she shapeshifts, has green scales, the tail, the halfway-upright walk. I don't think it's that hard at all to tell what she is. Also, sett's lore works with his design to make him who he is. He obviously stands out from a regular Noxian/Ionian with his ears and fur, and because of those differences he was bullied throughout his childhood. Also, pretty sure you got the process backwards. Champ design figures out who the champ is before they draw them. Form follows function and all that

NelsieLisnenJan 7, 20201 votes

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I mean it's pretty obvious that neeko is a chameleon when you know that she shapeshifts, has green scales, the tail, the halfway-upright walk. I don't think it's that hard at all to tell what she is. Also, sett's lore works with his design to make him who he is. He obviously stands out from a regular Noxian/Ionian with his ears and fur, and because of those differences he was bullied throughout his childhood. Also, pretty sure you got the process backwards. Champ design figures out who the champ is before they draw them. Form follows function and all that

I think you can only say that in retrospect. Firstly, Neeko barely looks like she has scales. You actually need to zoom into her model to barely notice a few sprinkles of what might be called rough skin on her otherwise flawless body that seems painted for the most part. Her skin is glittering and looks smooth, which would suggest a salamander if anything, certainly not a chameleon. Actually, as I think about it more and more, this champion's entire conceptualization is contrary to what a chameleon character would be. Chameleons don't shapeshift for one, they camouflage themselves, they are not sociable, extravagant or hyperactive and they sure as hell don't have weird leaf-looking thingies adorning their head and tail. Neeko wasn't created to look like a good animal-man design. I just realized, that if we take into account the way in which she was marketed, her design is even more boggling. Maybe riot wanted to capitalize on the fact that Neeko is canonically LGBTQWERTY, so they used a chameleon, which is a pretty common allegory to describe how many gay people feel the need to blend in with their social environment. However, Neeko's whole character contrasts that notion, since she is upfront, honest, flamboyant and playful. The animal to deliver those characteristics would be something like a peacock, not one of the most introverted reptiles there is. And Sett is just, like wtf man, ok, let's say that children would bully another toddler for having adorable ears and fluffy fur, where does the rest of his character reside in his design? Where is the "feral" in a design that looks like a man wearing illegal clothing and bad wig? His fighting spirit and head-on philosophy? He just looks like "insert x buff model". Also, there isn't really a top down relationship between lore and art. An interesting early art exploration can be as integral for a character's lore and gameplay direction as an entire page of words. A character design isn't good simply because it doesn't contradict the lore, that's a really low standard. A character design is good when it can, to an extent, function in lieu of the character's lore without you having to read anything about them. Sett and Neeko are just not hitting that line, is the only way I can see it.

NelsieLisnenJan 6, 20204 votes

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I was really excited at first when they finally grouped all of the chimera hybrid animal champions into the species of Vastaya because I figured they would release more like Nami, Rengar, Wukong but instead we got Xayah and Rakan….

I let that one slide because well maybe they wanted the lovebirds to be more human or whatever to be more relatable then here comes sett who is literally a ripped guy with barely noticeable cat ears. VASTAYANS YAY!

These designs are not creative. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with sett as eye candy lol but his lore stands upon him getting made fun of for being half-vastaya and then we see him and he is 99% human -.-

Yeah he must've had it real hard being a gorgeous dude with cute ears lel. I was so disappointed by that champ as I was expecting an uncaged beast. Now I hope for the Void jungler to be real.

LeetriJan 7, 20201 votes

Dude, people will bully anyone who is different. Your boobs are too big, you have freckles, you're too tall, you're too short, you're too pale, you're too tanned, you have too short hair. Doesn't matter if your other features are attractive, you're different than them. If you don't think children would make fun of someone for having animal ears you've had a very sheltered childhood. Also, he very well could've Neville Longbottomed and looked like a potato before puberty.

NelsieLisnenJan 7, 20201 votes

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Dude, people will bully anyone who is different. Your boobs are too big, you have freckles, you're too tall, you're too short, you're too pale, you're too tanned, you have too short hair. Doesn't matter if your other features are attractive, you're different than them. If you don't think children would make fun of someone for having animal ears you've had a very sheltered childhood. Also, he very well could've Neville Longbottomed and looked like a potato before puberty.

Disregarding your take on my childhood, since I don't know if you come from a bloodline of clairvoyants (I'm not one to make far fetched assumptions) what we're making fun of is his ears being a trivial part of his design or hardships in general. Wasn't intending to delve into the whats and ifs of his story since what I'm interested in is his, well, uninteresting artistic direction and that I'd like animal themed characters to look, or at least read, more animal - like. But, what I'm seeing here is a profound misunderstanding of how social alienation works. Fyi I spent most of elementary school and highschool as an obese child, enough time to understand that there is actually a loose hierarchy of characteristics that children tend to make fun of more than others. No, having freckles, bunny teeth, or higher than average height (actual wtf, tall people can be super popular and height usually plays a minimal role) will not, I repeat, will not turn you into a crime lord with unresolved issues. Maybe you go emo or metalhead for a while, but attributing such a grim fate to such a trivial characteristic shows ignorance. It was sett's background as a half breed, others knowing of it and picking on him as a de facto outsider that secluded him from his peers, not to mention his family's notoriety because of his father. No, dude, where I went to school, the children that went on to become scum were those whose families and peers kept them shackled while the rest of us didn't know better than to turn a blind eye or rub more salt to their wounds. Sett being a roughed up individual is an element of his lore, him having cat ears and fur is a consequence of his ancestry not the cause of his situation.

LemurMonsterJan 6, 202011 votes

I agree so much. There really is nothing new about them sadly. I feel they been pushed aside for once again.. human related things... It truly gets stale at some point.

Moska NaxJan 6, 202010 votes

I agree so much. Even if some people dislike yordles it's not fair for everyone else. Every fantasy world that many people interact with, should at least have a cute race. Not the 'hot' kind of cute in a general sense, but cutesy cute. There are people and kids that love this kind of stuff and shouldn't get sidelined so much, especially if Riot are aiming to grab as many players and followers as possible.

I always found yordles to be very iconic and exciting because of the greater variation in their designs, their extreme personalities, and sense of wonder surrounding them. More of that, pls!

ChaosReynJan 6, 20208 votes

Riot: "This race is literally an obscure race that lives in obscurity from the world"

Fans: ok cool!

Riot: lets Yordles be obscure

Fans: [zombie-brand-mindblown]

DreamspitterJan 6, 20207 votes

Yordles extinct? No.

But Meglings? Yeah.

RyzeReworkJan 6, 20206 votes

I think that your ever reaching here. Not all yoordles even reside in bandle city either.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 6, 20204 votes

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I think that your ever reaching here. Not all yoordles even reside in bandle city either.

That makes the problem even worse. Bandle is supposed to be a Faction, but when all the champs that should be part of that Faction become part of another Faction, then Bandle feels even less important.

Imagine if Azir and Nasus were the only champions from Shurima that actually live in Shurima and are part of the Faction of Shurima, and all of the other champs from Shurima, were members of other random factions of Runeterra with no relation to Shurima at all.

RyzeReworkJan 7, 20201 votes

I'm just saying. Your saying yoordles in general you shoulda made the case about bandle city. Bandle city is a city of yoordles but it's not like an exclusive all yoordles live here.

The DreamwalkerJan 6, 20205 votes

I don't really think Vastaya have replaced the Yordles as the fantasy. They are just an expansion on the lore. The champions have always existed with the exclusion of Xayah and Rakan . Those two (X + R) were the unifying factor that Riot used to really tie together other champions like Ahri Nami etc.

It might just be that Riot doesn't know what to do with them? I mean, even the champions in the game are confused about what they are. Just my thoughts.

Camille FerrøsJan 6, 20204 votes

anthropomorphic characters are way too profitable at this day and age to be left in the dust.

CytheGuyJan 6, 20205 votes

It's funny because many yordles are at least semi-anthropomorphic. The only exceptions I can think of at the top of my head are Corki Lulu Poppy Tristana

Ebonmaw DragonJan 6, 20206 votes

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anthropomorphic characters are way too profitable at this day and age to be left in the dust.

Teemo, love it or hate it, has been one of the most profitable and recognizable champs of the game since the beta. Yet, there is no updated lore about him.

Camille FerrøsJan 6, 20201 votes

I mean he isn't profitable in the long run. Ahri is probably up there since she fits both the sexy and the cute, she bridges both while teemo just the cute which is not for all people.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 6, 20203 votes

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I mean he isn't profitable in the long run. Ahri is probably up there since she fits both the sexy and the cute, she bridges both while teemo just the cute which is not for all people.

Im not denying that Vastaya are profiteable as well. But just because one champ is more popular than others, it doesnt mean that Riot should ignore the rest.

Chembaron YamadaJan 6, 20204 votes

Let's be honest, the original idea of yordles was really really weird and had no place in this game.

It got heavily implied that they are actually aliens, not some nature spirits or anything like that. They even built Bandle City around a "mothership". Many champions in the early days of league of legends had the same treatment, just getting called aliens, and almost all of them got retconned in that regard.

Anivia Used to be an alien from a cryophoenix planet. Now she is a demigod from Freljord. Malphite Used to be an alien from a rock-people planet. Now he is a living mountain from Ixtal. Kayle Morgana Used to be aliens from an angel planet. Now they are the daughters of a Targonian aspect in Demacia.

Aaaand so on. I think they could add more lore and stuff to yordles again, but comparing to the initial idea of that species, they improved the situation alot.

Hong Kong AnnieJan 6, 20202 votes

To be fair to the alien thing, most of the old lore was the institute of War summoning people from other places to help in their fight.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 6, 20204 votes

OBJECTION

The Mothership was an UNFINISHED rocketship that was there BEFORE the first Yordles came to settle the Ruddynip Valley.

Therefore, it was impossible for them to be FROM space, since the ship was never finished in first place... they were building the thing, not rebuilding it.

And i quote from the Journal of Justice issue 16:

When asked about the Mothership, Grunbean was less conclusive: “I haven’t the faintest idea of how it happened. We even tried stringing someone up there to do the same thing that Kittle did. Poor Smeed is bruised to high heaven after bashing himself into the side of it all afternoon—and nothing happened! We are continuing to investigate, but so far** it doesn’t look like the Mothership will be turning on anytime soon.**”

The Bandle City Mothership, a hulking, unfinished rocket ship that sits above the city center, is a cultural icon for Yordles across Runeterra. **There are no records that say where it came from, but oral histories declare that it was there before the first Yordles came to settle the Ruddynip Valley **(where modern day Bandle City is now located).

It was an unfinished project made by an unknown civilization BEFORE the yordles. Yordles just wanted to finish what those people started.

And its not like the new lore lacks of aliens (The whole aspects idea is based arround that)

LordGeovanniJan 8, 20203 votes

Glamour is stupid.

Yordle GunnerJan 8, 20201 votes

I completely agree with that. It makes for awkward storytelling, it allows the storyteller to do negate the presence of a character and it constantly has to be explained in the story's context whenever it's brought up.

Spooky SkeletonJan 6, 20202 votes

Vastaya cater to weebs.

RyzeReworkJan 7, 20201 votes

I like the vastays and anime... wait a minute...

ArakadiaJan 6, 20202 votes

How does glamor make them basically nonexistent? Heimerdinger still does all his things in Piltover, the glamor only means everyone thinks he’s a human

AbiwonKenabiJan 7, 20201 votes

Because of the glamour, their Yordle-ness is basically unseen by anyone else, which means them being Yordles doesn't actually factor into the stories.

Glamour is also poorly explained. It works automatically in most stories, but then we have the Ziggs comic where Heimerdinger apparently has to create it as an item to be used? Or what about the Lulu/Tristana story where Draven and his lackeys find them and attack them? Are they just attacking random old people or can they see through it? (Its almost as if the author forgot about glamour, and that is probably one reason I enjoy the story so much...)

Its also just a really frustrating mechanic. Sure, Yordles are supposed to be rare, but because of glamour, any chance encounter with them doesn't feel as meaningful, or even as cool. Tristana has a color story where some people see her in the forest as an old woman (don't know why Tristana, a youthful energetic character, appears as an old lady but whatever). Obviously they don't realize she is anything other than a kooky old lady, but we never get that "gotcha" payoff of "ACTUALLY she's a YORDLE". So the color story doesn't really further the legend of Yordles or of Tristana in particular. She's just a surprisingly spry, crazy old lady to them, which has basically nothing to do with Tristana's character. What did this really add? Does it suit a story that is supposed to show us what Tristana is all about? I personally think it doesn't.

JaspersJan 7, 20202 votes

Well in a way, being a Yordle isn't a big factor in their stories. Poppy is a Yordle but her story isn't about her being one, she's a noble person who is looking for the rightful owner to a powerful hammer, not thinking that the rightful owner is her. Whether or not people ignore or don't understand what they see in her doesn't matter. Same with Trist, the old lady is just a side effect and not relevant as part of her character. The reason Tristana looked like an old lady is because she is old, all Yordles are hundreds of years old.

The glamour for Ziggs and Heimer was explained (can't recall where, a Reddit AMA I think) as a concoction to keep their glamour consistent as they are living in a highly populated area dealing with a lot of people. Glamour works but masking their actual appearance but they can appear differently to different people.

But it is inconsistent in their explanation. The populace of Piltover are able to see through Ziggs glamour as they all focus on him at the same time, Jinx sees through it as she's nuts so her perception of the world isn't correct either. Yet when they turn to Heimer, he isn't revealed (maybe only a few do). In Veigar's story, Morde see's through it easily but all the other mages he was training with don't, yet it's said that those magically inclined can see through it (Ezreal knows what they are).

Frontline FuryJan 7, 20202 votes

Eh, i’m glad the vastaya are taking their place. The yordles were interesting, once, but make too many of them and they lose their charm. Animal people, on the other hand... Much more room for interesting story telling. Riot seems to prefer going for low fantasy themes in their more recent stories. Makes them... Darker, i suppose.

They’ve done a lot of the possible yorlde arche types already, they’re just not very interesting anymore. There’re only so many ways you can spin dwarf/gnome/squirrel people with blue/beige skin.

(Seriously, Teemo and Kennen have to be some sort of half-breed Vastayans what with them having animal traits and fur all over, as opposed to poppy and tristana.)

4 Step CadenceJan 7, 20205 votes

Female Yordles were originally an entirely different thing and that's why they look different from the male ones.

ZinicoJan 7, 20202 votes

League kinda feels like it's been separated into 2 types of lore, classic lore and modern lore. I can't point where the line in the sand is, but it does feel like theres a separation.

And unfortunately, yordles dont' quite fit into the modern version as well it seems, or no one cares about them at riot HQ.

CatastroclysmJan 8, 20202 votes

Bruh riot deleted the lore like 5 years ago. Almost nothing in the LoL universe makes sense since then lmao.

Sett a trapJan 14, 20201 votes

They retconned it. The lore used to be that the summoners rift was used to settle wars but its obvious now. Riot is pushing the new lore to act as a back drop for their future games. You gotta realize, one day, League of Legends will probably fade into obscurity but these characters will not.

CatastroclysmJan 22, 20201 votes

So the idea is to just pretend anything makes sense til then?

You can't just retcon the entire reason for the game existing, and then carry on like lore matters.

Sett a trapJan 23, 20201 votes

Riot: Watch me

Case in Point: Legends of Rune Terra and all their new games. Vastaya is literally a massive retcon. An entire race appeared out of no where. Look at Ashe. Massive Marvel comic and new VO and etc, massive massive retcon. Riot can do whatever they want with their IP.

CatastroclysmJan 25, 20201 votes

I can agree that they should be allowed to do what they want. I just also believe no one should take it seriously when nothing makes sense and entire histories are changed yearly.

Tbh I'm not sure what you're referring to because like I completely stopped following the lore and don't know much now besides what's shoved down your throat, like Sylas.

Kinda sounds like I was right to do so tbh.

Charmy BirdJan 7, 20201 votes

It's very simple my friend. Riot only makes human champions who are either anime or furry of both. Human anime furry Champs sell yordles don't. Is it a coincidence that we keep getting a human after human and no monsters or animal like champions?

4 Step CadenceJan 7, 20202 votes

Ornn and Yuumi are humans? This is news to me.

Charmy BirdJan 8, 20201 votes

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Ornn and Yuumi are humans? This is news to me.

Ornn is the last non human champion and yuumi is literally a cat nothing special nothing unique. Dw we won't be seeing many non human Champs from now on unless it's a rework. But ig I'm wrong according to your comment