Important - Concerning Vlad upcoming rework: Vlad should be a BLOOD mage, not a red energy mage

Krizalid·Jan 26, 2016·120 votes·8,141 views

I know that reworks usually change the skills visuals dramatically, it happened to Mordekaiser who lost all his METAL and became the souls meister, that's why I'm just making sure that Riot knows how important it is for Vlad players to keep his identity as a character who actually uses a certain type of projectiles and visuals. Thick clots of blood (I feel an urge to make a pun), pools of blood, tides of blood chasing your enemies and taking their lives away - I really hope that his rework will only expand these things and won't make him use some kind of a "red energy General audiences-approved content" thing similar to what Sion uses. http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Vladimir_0.jpg

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Malicious MetalJan 26, 201660 votes

To be fair, Mordekaiser's abilities do have metal in them...

Jus not ENOUGH

BlitzidiousJan 26, 201646 votes

There is NEVER enough metal!

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll304/ramon_gila/dethklok-headbang.gif

NegusInParisJan 26, 20163 votes

You can not lose a brain cell too many.

sp441Jan 26, 20166 votes

Honestly, I'd argue that metal never really had much to do with Mordekaiser other than his appearance and his old W being a hail of metallic shrapnel, while ripping the souls of his enemies and using them to wreck havok on their old companions against their will is far more iconic, as well as FUCKING AWESOME.

Malicious MetalJan 26, 201615 votes

Metal as f*ck if you think about it.

Enslaving your soul to do his bidding and letting you watch how you kill your own allies.

sp441Jan 26, 20166 votes

Nothing to do with the mineral, everything to do with the subculture.

You could put him on an Iron Maiden album cover and it wouldn't look out of place.

(At least I think so... sorry, I don't listen to a lot of metal)

DrahcirJan 26, 20163 votes

wasn't morde the master of metal?

Malicious MetalJan 26, 201612 votes

He still is at hueart.

Du Ma MiJan 26, 20163 votes

Icy what you did there Lissandra

exiledFromBadmenJan 28, 20161 votes

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Icy what you did there

You (Liss) can't. You're blind.

Du Ma MiJan 29, 20161 votes

LeeSin

HighH1Jan 27, 20162 votes

[zombie-brand-clap]

Whut Thuh Jan 26, 20161 votes

then they should change his title from Man of Metal to the soul master or some crap

Malicious MetalJan 26, 20163 votes

They already changed his title from "Master of Metal" to "Iron Revenant"

sp441Jan 26, 20164 votes

Which, if you ask me, is a much better title.

Maple CrusaderFeb 7, 20161 votes

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To be fair, Mordekaiser's abilities do have metal in them...

Jus not ENOUGH

I missed the old Siphon of Destruction effects. Hitting people in the crotches with maces.

Over InnsmouthJan 26, 201620 votes

This possibly needs to be stressed more than anything from a thematic perspective. It needs to feel like blood, not just look like blood.

Du Ma MiJan 26, 20168 votes

Everyone, just stop saying Vlad's Q "Is the most cancerous spell in the game".

I understand that it is point-and-click, with zero counterplay - BUT IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY ONES LEFT. Not every ability has to have counterplay - some abilities should be more directed about positioning and timing rather than:

"If I can just my e to get to this spot within 0.4 seconds, maybe I can Q at a 45 degree angle and catch the vel'koz out of position".

I honestly believe that some abilities should just be "Dang I need to harass this guy... Q's Alrighty then." Otherwise League just becomes a game of micro-managing everything in your kit and fast mechanics.

TL;DR - Not every ability needs counterplay. Vlad's Q is strong, and it helps make him a strong champion, adding too much counterplay would just make him unnecessarily complicated.

Serika ZeroJan 27, 20162 votes

Fiddle's POINT AND CLICK 2.5 SECONDS FEAR WITH LESS THAN 10 SECONDS COOLDOWN.

Some abilities, should have counterplay

Blood MagicksJan 26, 20167 votes

I always imagined blood magic as some sort of twisted, harmful medicine. Control of blood flow and metabolism is blood magic; some africans consider diseases such as Ebola black/blood magic. In DnD blood mages have minor mind control powers, and it's part of Vlad's lore that he restored a twisted imitation of life to Sion. Basically you can make the coolest of things with this concept, especially considering Vlads relationship with the previous blood mages in history (the way he inherited their memories, powers and most importantly, their research into the Art). In my headcanon/fan fiction he can create flesh golems and profane life by fusing creatures together for his own twisted purposes. Also, Rasputin was a blood mage.

Auz the RipperJan 26, 20162 votes

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Also, Rasputin was a blood mage.

No, Rasputin was a Nutjob.

GrReaper96Jan 26, 20166 votes

The devs should watch Deadman Wonderland before remaking Vladimir

CasterGilgameshJan 27, 20163 votes

yes perfect

Mango LocoJan 27, 20162 votes

That show fucked me up

You want my nameJan 26, 20165 votes

yes please i love vlad and honestly i dont want him to get a rework at all. But who knows we will see. The only moves i really dont want them to change is his Q and W. i just hope they dont do what you said and turn him into some red energy champ that runs off of energy or something.

ShinobisDemonJan 26, 20167 votes

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yes please i love vlad and honestly i dont want him to get a rework at all. But who knows we will see. The only moves i really dont want them to change is his Q and W. i just hope they dont do what you said and turn him into some red energy champ that runs off of energy or something.

his q is the most cancerous ability in his game, and I used to main him so I know it.

There is no counterplay to it, it's targeted it heals you that spell is literal cancer in a bottle. His w is balanced (unlike fizz's death pole _)

Actually xPekeJan 26, 20165 votes

Pretty sure they're reworking his passive, Q and possible E/R. His W will most likely stay the same since it's decently balanced.

However, his passive is just invisible power and his Q is a really unhealthy point and click skill. Not sure about E and R

Penta PenguinJan 27, 20162 votes

His E definitely fits the trend of abilities that have gotten reworked

1vmanyJan 26, 20164 votes

vlads passive is amazingly good. his q his w and his passive are good, but they are not that good compared to most other champs abilities. his e and his ult are very bad for him. his ult is good for teamfights but that would make him rely on his team, he's a blood mage who drained the life out of his own master and yet he has to rely on his team to be any good. his e early does 80 damage and takes 30 hp, hit with reduction he does about 60 damage for 30 hp, this is with added ability power and penetration, this ability also pushes the lane causing him to die more often so using it is not always good. and because of his weak early he is very easy to shut down which makes him completely useless. so in correction, his q is good, but not good early, after reductions and full damage you would get maybe 86 damage and 30 healing every 10 seconds. any ad champ with a slow or stun could crush him.

and just so we're considering all possibilities, vlad will eventually be forced into a combat situation, if he wants cs and xp.

Gregor GysiJan 26, 20161 votes

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vlads passive is amazingly good. his q his w and his passive are good, but they are not that good compared to most other champs abilities. his e and his ult are very bad for him. his ult is good for teamfights but that would make him rely on his team, he's a blood mage who drained the life out of his own master and yet he has to rely on his team to be any good. his e early does 80 damage and takes 30 hp, hit with reduction he does about 60 damage for 30 hp, this is with added ability power and penetration, this ability also pushes the lane causing him to die more often so using it is not always good. and because of his weak early he is very easy to shut down which makes him completely useless. so in correction, his q is good, but not good early, after reductions and full damage you would get maybe 86 damage and 30 healing every 10 seconds. any ad champ with a slow or stun could crush him.

In terms of being healthy his Q is a really bad ability (point and click sustain harass without mana costs.. Ughh) and desperately needs work. His Passive is what makes him the tanky damagedealer that he is (and may need some tuning, but he should stay tanky and deal damage without having inherent sustain). His E is probably his best ability designwise as it is the only ability that has some real depth (stack it for more damage and sustain - way better than his Q designwise). Whether his Ult should be teamreliant - ugh. Doesn't really matter. However I think it should still have the damagetick that may or may not kill enemies as that adds quite some excitement to his gameplay.

But my main wishes are that he stays tanky, deals damage, synergizes well with Rylais, has sustain (they could remove it from his Q and move it to his E) and should have the urge to dive into the enemy team due to his immense hunger for the blood of his enemies. His Q is probably the skill that needs the most work (just turning it into a skillshot is no good because that'd practically be the same as the Ryze changes) and his Ult feels awkward to use atm.

1vmanyFeb 1, 20161 votes

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In terms of being healthy his Q is a really bad ability (point and click sustain harass without mana costs.. Ughh) and desperately needs work. His Passive is what makes him the tanky damagedealer that he is (and may need some tuning, but he should stay tanky and deal damage without having inherent sustain). His E is probably his best ability designwise as it is the only ability that has some real depth (stack it for more damage and sustain - way better than his Q designwise). Whether his Ult should be teamreliant - ugh. Doesn't really matter. However I think it should still have the damagetick that may or may not kill enemies as that adds quite some excitement to his gameplay.

But my main wishes are that he stays tanky, deals damage, synergizes well with Rylais, has sustain (they could remove it from his Q and move it to his E) and should have the urge to dive into the enemy team due to his immense hunger for the blood of his enemies. His Q is probably the skill that needs the most work (just turning it into a skillshot is no good because that'd practically be the same as the Ryze changes) and his Ult feels awkward to use atm.

mr singurytas what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard, at no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought, everyone who read this comment is now dumber for listening to it.

Gregor GysiFeb 1, 20161 votes

Hi.

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vlads passive is amazingly good. his q his w and his passive are good, but they are not that good compared to most other champs abilities.

What a great example of an insightful analysis Vlads skillset. You really did a great job doing a differentiated comparison between Vladimirs skillset and 'most other champions'. Your conclusion that his passive is "good, but [..] not that good compared to most other champs abilities" is especially interesting seeing how you began with stating that his passive was "amazingly good". My ordinary human brain sees a contradiction, but it seems that my way of thinking does not come close to your standards of rational thought. Oh master my master teach me ploxxx

1vmanyFeb 6, 20161 votes

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Hi.

What a great example of an insightful analysis Vlads skillset. You really did a great job doing a differentiated comparison between Vladimirs skillset and 'most other champions'. Your conclusion that his passive is "good, but [..] not that good compared to most other champs abilities" is especially interesting seeing how you began with stating that his passive was "amazingly good". My ordinary human brain sees a contradiction, but it seems that my way of thinking does not come close to your standards of rational thought. Oh master my master teach me ploxxx

hue hue hue i see that you see the wisdom in my ways and have submitted yourself to me as i am your master, so i will teach you (and seriously i was just screwing with you i troll it's what i do.) so if you want an in depth analysis and explanation i shall guide you on your path. vlad has his passive give him hp and ap but many many champs don't give a damn about his ap because they just stack mr and do a massive amount of damage, for example darius and riven passives. i'm sure you know what those are and how much they do, vlad has no stuns, his escape is a light slow he might as well be a chicken with his leg cut off. Now last i realized any champ can build spellvamp. so what's his e do over all. increase his regeneration by say 20 points a hit maybe (damn i'm generous even giving him that), which is taken from his e stealing his life, not that great of damage either, good thing you got 20 hp back when they chunk over 10x that per second. his w is best used at low hp, good luck doing that when they stun you once you get low. and his q... well i like his q actually, it's very effective and good for harassing, if you can maintain a distance and prevent engages it's probably one of the best spells i've seen, but his ult makes up for that, no stun, 15% increased damage that is reduced by their resistances say the 150 mr they have, but this is the real kicker, 150 damage. you might as well give me a wet noodle to throw at them because i'm sure i could make better use of that. I realize this might be hard to understand from words, so let me give you a different view, try to visualize this, you get to lane running runes specialized for vlad to optimize his abilities regeneration and passive, you are feeling good until you run into the enemy, he's close range so it's no big deal you harass with your q doing massive damage, trigger your e to force him out of lane to gain cs then pin him under the turret poking at him to force him to miss cs, but he has some hp pots, he's still getting some gold, he backs and teleports when he gets low and you get ganked by the enemy jungler for pushing the lane. next scenario, you keep the lane even so to prevent getting ganked trying to avoid his range and poke at him when you can, he flashes and slows you, you pool and try to escape and he closes the gap with an ability and destroys your face as you wait for your 10 second cooldown, good thing you waited for him to get his abilities. and the finally scenario, you let him push using your turret as defense, you lose cs but you are safe, he waits until he's ready and dives you or harasses you while you try to farm, you pool, he flashes out and runs back in while the turret targets the minions, he destroys your face and gets out with some hp remaining because you chose vlad. well this is assuming you didn't get lucky and get a bad player.

Gregor GysiFeb 6, 20161 votes

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(and seriously i was just screwing with you i troll it's what i do.)

lell so troll funny lmao 9gag aamrry amirite? xd

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vlad has his passive give him hp and ap but many many champs don't give a damn about his ap because they just stack mr and do a massive amount of damage, for example darius and riven passives. i'm sure you know what those are and how much they do, vlad has no stuns, his escape is a light slow he might as well be a chicken with his leg cut off. Now last i realized any champ can build spellvamp. so what's his e do over all. increase his regeneration by say 20 points a hit maybe (damn i'm generous even giving him that), which is taken from his e stealing his life, not that great of damage either, good thing you got 20 hp back when they chunk over 10x that per second. his w is best used at low hp, good luck doing that when they stun you once you get low. and his q... well i like his q actually, it's very effective and good for harassing, if you can maintain a distance and prevent engages it's probably one of the best spells i've seen, but his ult makes up for that, no stun, 15% increased damage that is reduced by their resistances say the 150 mr they have, but this is the real kicker, 150 damage. you might as well give me a wet noodle to throw at them because i'm sure i could make better use of that. I realize this might be hard to understand from words, so let me give you a different view, try to visualize this, you get to lane running runes specialized for vlad to optimize his abilities regeneration and passive, you are feeling good until you run into the enemy, he's close range so it's no big deal you harass with your q doing massive damage, trigger your e to force him out of lane to gain cs then pin him under the turret poking at him to force him to miss cs, but he has some hp pots, he's still getting some gold, he backs and teleports when he gets low and you get ganked by the enemy jungler for pushing the lane. next scenario, you keep the lane even so to prevent getting ganked trying to avoid his range and poke at him when you can, he flashes and slows you, you pool and try to escape and he closes the gap with an ability and destroys your face as you wait for your 10 second cooldown, good thing you waited for him to get his abilities. and the finally scenario, you let him push using your turret as defense, you lose cs but you are safe, he waits until he's ready and dives you or harasses you while you try to farm, you pool, he flashes out and runs back in while the turret targets the minions, he destroys your face and gets out with some hp remaining because you chose vlad. well this is assuming you didn't get lucky and get a bad player.

So much text, so little meaning. You are talking about his strength/the strength of his spells. What you don't understand that they can easily be adjusted accordingly. I was talking about his theme/gameplay. Point and click sustained harass is not especially healthy - no matter how strong. Getting rewarded for staying in combat however is a way better concept (more detailled argumentation can be seen in my post).

Riot wants to update/rework him - gameplaywise. This is not about his strength, it is about what _should _be his strength. You are completely missing the point and at first I didn't mention it because I didn't want to be rude, but after seeing your attitude I don't think that I have to be overly polite. Have a nice day.

1vmanyFeb 7, 20161 votes

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lell so troll funny lmao 9gag aamrry amirite? xd

So much text, so little meaning. You are talking about his strength/the strength of his spells. What you don't understand that they can easily be adjusted accordingly. I was talking about his theme/gameplay. Point and click sustained harass is not especially healthy - no matter how strong. Getting rewarded for staying in combat however is a way better concept (more detailled argumentation can be seen in my post).

Riot wants to update/rework him - gameplaywise. This is not about his strength, it is about what _should _be his strength. You are completely missing the point and at first I didn't mention it because I didn't want to be rude, but after seeing your attitude I don't think that I have to be overly polite. Have a nice day.

okay, i was being nice too. now listen here little boy. my point that i'm making is that his strength is the main reason this champ is trash. he's good for little kids to play around with. but once upon a time there was a good vlad who mained vlad and crushed many opponents, this made them whine and cry about how he was so op causing riot to limit his potential. he's worse off than jax who decided to use a lampost, they pretty much sealed his power and raised every other champ up just so that people would stop crying. they even went so far as to call vlad their biggest mistake. now they are going to rework him after this vlad player decided he no longer wanted to play vlad, and crushed people with other champions, he even crushed other vlad players without mercy to the point they no longer had dreams of playing such a weak and crippled champion. in all of this time it has been about vlads strength, if given any potential he would easily become too much too handle, so they had to remove all of his potential. a rework on vlad? i don't have any expectations for it. he steals hp and makes it his own, his best aspect would be that of a duelist gaining power as he fights his opponent. but then the league community would cry all over again so it's not going to happen. most champions come off with a buff when they are reworked. but all i can see from a vlad rework is a nerf. they'll probably make him rely more heavily on his teammates completely crushing him as a champion. and then he will fade away like urgot. unless they make his buff enough to recover from going 0/8 in lane in 15 minutes.

Gregor GysiFeb 7, 20161 votes

^QQ and BS.

1vmanyFeb 15, 20161 votes

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^QQ and BS.

it's been over a week so i was wondering what you would of said. but yeah qq and bs. doesn't matter anymore anyway i joined a different game. release the kraken.

HexadusJan 27, 20164 votes

"Vlad is no longer the Crimson Reaper, we at Riot decided that with his new theme and rework, his title no longer suits him. Vladimir's new title will be Vlad the Fruit Punch-er" - Phreak

Jedimeister99Jan 26, 20163 votes

I really hope they do not mess up with his identity. Ive been a Vlad main for seasons, and I am scared that they are touching him.

Penta PenguinJan 27, 20163 votes

Sorry, China said no and there's no such thing as localized content patching!

La BarbotteJan 26, 20162 votes

he need a new skin : pentakill, and his new ult need to be RAINING BLOOOOOOOD

GreenLoreJan 26, 20162 votes

Keep in mind that the mage update is a broad update for multiple champs.,so Vlad will most likely not receive completely new ability effects on all of his abilities and most of his abilities will just be adjusted,with maybe one or two new ones,so from that standpoint alone it is really unlikely that he'll loose his blood.

Mordekaiser lost his metal because they felt it didn't fit thematically with his "evil-overlord" and "necromancer" identity of his character,but Vlad is pretty much all about blood.If they take it away then there wouldn't be much left. Taking his blood away would be like turning sona into a screaming kickboxer.

Malicious MetalJan 26, 201620 votes

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Taking his blood away would be like turning sona into a screaming kickboxer.

I never knew i wanted this.

GetMariahCarriedJan 26, 20162 votes

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... won't make him use some kind of a "red energy General audiences-approved content" thing similar to what Sion uses.

Yeah, like drinking from people's skulls, or ripping their head from their spine, or using your bones to pick his teeth. You know... that blasted politically correct general-audience stuff.

KrizalidJan 26, 20162 votes

using your bones to pick his teeth

He just likes to act cool. Censorship won't let him even look at bones. Too spooky. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kC7BzfAjaIg/US6OUSzo4GI/AAAAAAABQPg/vOyD2QYA_9Q/s1600/14.pubTThou01.jpg

SettDownShutUpJan 26, 20162 votes

Let's give vlad a Blood collecting mechanic.

Let's say he can collect 5 'vessels' of blood, each vessel allowing him to cast a spell free of health cost and say, halves cooldown since he's not draining from himself.

His passive is boring, it's safe and really boring. But I like the idea of being able to 'pop' your blood vessels for % health, scaling to higher percentages as you level, at a cooldown of course.

His Q heals him, and allows him to collect blood, perhaps half a vessel from minions or some other small amount

His E somehow expends extra vessel collected,

His Blood pool (which I doubt they'll change significantly) increases in size and gains MS per vessel collected, but returns a number of vessels to you equal to the number of enemy champions caught in it.

With his ult he becomes a whirling blood vortex, unable to cast spells or attack, draining blood over time from each enemy within range, before exploding in a bloody show dealing damage at the end IF you collect enough blood. You can use it at full vessels to deal only the maximum damage for burst purposes, or you can chance draining at your enemies health for bonus damage, and having them escape from you. Keep in mind that the channel time will have enough duration to explode as long as at least 1 champion is in range for the full duration of the cast.

i am peasantJan 27, 20162 votes

I really hope they don't fuck him up literally my favorite champion.

Blade of JusticFeb 6, 20162 votes

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Maple CrusaderFeb 7, 20161 votes

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