I Wish Rioters in the Narrative Department Would Actually Respond to Narrative Threads

Impetual·Feb 27, 2015·15 votes·2,132 views

It just feels like a cheap ploy that Rioters in the narrative department ignore threads for months, and then when we finally do get a red response in the story/art boards...it's from a Rioter who can't give any definitive answers because he isn't from the department that those boards are about.

While I appreciate the Rioters willing to post about the threads they know nothing about, it really makes Riot look bad that they aren't getting the people from the proper departments to respond to the proper threads.

How disorganized are they if they can't even get the proper employees to respond to the proper threads?

21 Comments

Rafael MerloFeb 28, 20157 votes

In the other thread you asked for any rioter and it's gone right. If you use the other rioter answers to bash Narrative Team (which I personally not want to be bashed, just to be "moved to elsewhere") the non-Narrative rioter will shy even more and feel bad about answering anything.

Even thought, I understand your point and give you reason. I wholeheartedly disagree from the proposal of "just care about the end results, not the internal issues" because when I see results that put me in despair it's obvious that I will begin to care about what went wrong, and I will push to call them out and make an intervention to correct those flawed things.

I, as a believer and theist, actually pray IRL for Ryze or Tryndamere showing up apologizing for the mess the lore of the game came to be, peaking in removing the League of Legends from the League of Legends, and revert the Great Retcon.

Even if the actual Narrative Team show up and bump all their work tomorrow; for what I saw since the Tommy Gnox post announcing the Retcon I couldn't manage to like anything of it, and that's why I ask: #What if we don't like the new content?

ImpetualFeb 28, 20151 votes

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In the other thread you asked for any rioter and it's gone right.

This is correct. That is why I did not make post in that thread about Rioters from the Narrative department not responding to narrative threads, like I did in this thread.

Because that thread was asking for a response from any and all Rioters, it wouldn't have been fair to post that kind of comment there. I was literally asking for input from any Rioter.

This thread is asking why Rioters in the Narrative department don't respond to narrative threads.

Hence the new thread - This is a different discussion about a different issue.

Rafael MerloFeb 28, 20151 votes

I understand your point, and I agree that you are in your reason and right to do it, but let's be practical and real: people are people. They have emotions besides reason. Even if you are right, people (non-Narrative rioters) are going to shy away from posting in Lore Threads if it can be used against their colleagues (thus, against them in a deeper instance).

I don't know if there's sufficient value in being right, but left alone.

XtremeyFeb 27, 20156 votes

i really doubt there is a real narrative team anymore. They all seem to have left since the sion update.

AmbushIntheDarkMar 1, 20151 votes

and the ones that are left need to be fired and replaced by people who have passed 4th grade english and can get work done in a deadline.

BoswickFeb 27, 20156 votes

I'm right there with ya. This board goes for months without a red post and when we get one its never narrative. "Improved communication"(tm)

Props to Bioluminescence though.

SharjoFeb 27, 20152 votes

You know what they say, be careful what you wish for.

I doubt if a Rioter from Narrative popped down here and talked to us that people would be any happier about it. People would ask them to revert the IoW retcon, to which they would say no. People would ask what they're doing to fix the lore, to which they would say they're working on it and can't give us details because it's in development stuff. People would tell them that they don't trust narrative to which they would reply that they know, and they'll work to improve things.

You guys want them to talk, but then you ask them why there's no lore, ignoring that things take time or that silence doesn't meant no one's listening on the other end. You're also forgetting at one point people on this board told them "Put up or shut up."

I'd rather they got their heads down and did stuff instead of wasting their time responding to threads like this one. If there's something they can add, something they can contribute with, great, come on down, only some of us will bite. Problem is people aren't asking questions they haven't already answered in some way, whether the response was liked or not. You Impetual ask the same questions week in and week out. Any response they can give you has been said before. Any answer they can give to you has been exhausted by this point. It's gotten to the point where it feels like you're using other rioters as ammunition to fire shots at Narrative. Regardless of whatever Narrative has done, or needs to do, or what they're supposed to do, you won't get anywhere with this.

Sneak DogFeb 27, 20156 votes

Personally, I'd like to discuss the writing philosophies. I think they don't care about characters as much as I do and I'd like to know how/why this perception is.

SharjoFeb 27, 20151 votes

See that'd be cool to get a discussion with a Rioter on, would love some insight on to this.

Rafael MerloFeb 28, 20153 votes

De facto that handwave of "SPOILERS, can't and shouldn't hear anything you all say" needs to be talked about and sweeped out from the ones that dare to call themselves as Rioters.

ImpetualFeb 28, 20151 votes

Hopefully you are wrong. By the way RIot's been talking about lore in the last few months, it really sounds like they have something big cooking...it's just taking longer than expected.

Although I hate the lore retcon, I'm still hoping that Riot will either decide to reverse it or actually start instituting new lore.

Sadly, despite that they really don't deserve it at this point....I still have some faith in the Lore of League of Legends...(I'm praying that the League of Legends will still be a part of the lore of League of Legends though...weird as it might be to doubt.)

Jeddy017Feb 27, 20151 votes

They must be in a complete mess (which they trying to clean) & very hard at work on the lore if they can't even comment in threads..................well,that's the optimistic & hopeful view.There is also the pessimistic & doubtful view of what they maybe really doing.

Tesla EffectFeb 27, 20151 votes

How can they even come when all I see is people bitching about the lore, that aint welcoming to anybody. If they want to come by, be nice. Also, the lore change will take some time but after Bard, its getting pretty clear what they are trying to do with the world (that actually is shaping out to have some chronology now with Freljord tribes->fall of Shurima->Death of the Isles->Kalamanda incident which made Jarvan IV imprisoned by Swain)

SolideusFeb 28, 20151 votes

It seems they have a lot of internal stuff to sort out. Things sometimes turn out bad even with the best of intentions. Whatever is going on is in all likelihood responsible for the narrative team having a hard time delivering content. (Besides other content narrative Rioters help with, like champion releases, which has been excellent.)

They are obviously trying to fix things. It might be frustrating, but there's literally nothing else to do than to wait until they got things figured out. If people feel like they need to complain while they do, they should do so. Myself being very happy with the content that has come out this year I'm still hopeful they'll get things straightened out in a not too far off future.

Sneak DogFeb 28, 20155 votes

I'm complaining because I expect more from Riot. I hold them to a higher bar than what they are currently producing in the story department. Considering one of the things to fix is communication, complaining sounds like a very reasonable thing to do, if done with solid arguments.

SolideusFeb 28, 20151 votes

You should make yourself heard if you have something to say. Critique only takes them so far though; they seem to have a lot of things to get sorted and that will probably take some time. *What *they deliver is fair, *how soon *that happens is probably out of our hands and to a large extent out of theirs too.

Sneak DogFeb 28, 20151 votes

However, I don't know whether my critique is taken or that they have some counterargument they are not telling me that makes them ignore my suggestions.

The lack of communication truely is crippling this board in my eyes.

SolideusFeb 28, 20151 votes

I think you have to adjust your expectations. The amount of *two-way *communication many would like to have just isn't practical, useful or realistic, especially now when they seem to have a lot to handle internally.

Have conversations with other players, critique or constructive discussions. They'll hopefully see what's buzzing on the forums and Reddit. If it's valuable information, anything, they'll be able to take it into consideration. Getting a lot of players on board will give more credibility and visibility, of course; just shoot for that instead of doing "@Reds".

I don't think the community should demand more than being listened to. Why don't anyone believe the Reds when they say they read the forums? Why should they always have to write? I just don't think a constant two-way dialogue will make things better, especially now.

TL;DR. Keep saying what you think, but *always *demanding *they *say something isn't gonna do any good.

Sneak DogFeb 28, 20154 votes

If we simply offer arguments and the forum seems to generally agree with it, but Riot still takes a different route, it's frustrating. In that case I'd like to see Riots reasoning as to why they took that route.

KeagnFeb 28, 20151 votes

I would like to think there is a narrative team still, but they're looking for a Senior Narrative Designer. It's going to take some time, but my ambition is a cannon, and Sr. Narrative Designer is my target >:]