Yeah, the new Bewitching skins are cool and all, but.......

THE RlVER KlNG·Oct 4, 2016·18 votes·8,595 views

Why are Tristana and Morgana the ones getting them? I mean, they work thematically and all and they are definitely great skins in their own right, but a) Tristana already has 7 skins, one of which was released relatively recently by LoL standards and is a Legendary. The same goes for Morgana, with eight skins, one of which that was also released relatively recently and has great effects and art for a 975.

Meanwhile plenty of champions haven't gotten skins in years, or have sat on 1-3 skins while not being recent at all. Illaoi is certainly due for a skin now that champions like Kindred and Ekko have gotten theirs. Those that come to mind include Galio, Urgot, Syndra, Cassiopeia, Yorick, Karthus, TK, Swain, Viktor, Vel'Koz, Shen, Vladimir, Mordekaiser, Skarner, Heimerdinger, and Singed, among others, I'm sure. Any one of those champions would have been perfect candidates for these skins.

In short I understand Riot is a company designed around making profits off of a free-to-play game but it would be nice if some other champions got to have skins instead of the same few popular ones, or in the very least ones that haven't gotten high-price skins recently or don't have many in the first place. Underplayed champions have mains too, you know, and they enjoy skins as much as the Lees, Annies, and Ahris, so I hope the Skin Team remembers that for the next batch of cool skins.

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Forbidden SirenOct 4, 201614 votes

Honestly, I just wish they stop giving Morgana skins as she's in dire need of a visual upgrade. She's heavily outdated and hasn't aged well but for some reason, they continue to make new skins for her. In my honest opinion, they should've give the Bewitched skin to Karma, imagine all the hex and spells they could've done to her particles in a witch getup. If they can make a reaper skin for Soraka for Halloween, they can turn Karma into a witch.

I'm ok with Teemo and Tristana getting a skin for a couple of reasons. They finally fullfill Teemo's Satan meme and did a mighty well job with it. Aside from Dragon Trainer, this is the first proper non-legendary skin for Tristana after the rework so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for someone who don't want to spend money on a legendary skin.

HuskerWolf82Oct 5, 20164 votes

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In my honest opinion, they should've give the Bewitched skin to Karma, imagine all the hex and spells they could've done with her particles in a witch getup. If they can make a reaper skin for Soraka for Halloween, they can turn Karma into a witch.

I have to give you props for that. Bewitching Karma would have been a great theme. Even the skin name itself sounds great!

RiotKindlejackOct 5, 201610 votes

Of the champs listed, I think really only Cass and Syndra would be great fits for Wicked Witches. Galio and Urgot are being reworked, so we have to wait for that to be completed and then settle before making a new skin for them. Vel'koz, Singed and TK got skins earlier this year, Vlad, Skarner, Syndra and Morde got skins last year (which, with a cadence >130 skins a year, means they're not back at the top of the list right now).

The others? I totally agree they need new skins! Yorick and Shen are clear of updates and back on the table while Cass, Karth, Swain, Vik and Heim are all overdue.

When it comes to counting skins, in general older champions are going to have more than newer ones and that probably won't change.

T8 SpeedwagonOct 5, 20165 votes

Please tell us that we will get this year a jhin skin. I'm waiting like 4 hungry monkeys which haven't eaten for 4 weeks in front of 4 bags with 4 bananas in each one...

ReZisT LustOct 5, 20166 votes

he can only have 4 so they have to be souper good

RiotKindlejackOct 5, 20163 votes

Should that include his base?

ReZisT LustOct 5, 20161 votes

it depends if he has street clothes cause hes in his ?performer? outfit for default which would mean he has a constant 5 outfits with 4 to swap through constantly.

GULAG 4 UOct 5, 20161 votes

Y not give one to aatrox

TortferngatrOct 6, 20162 votes

...That's a riddle for the ages, honestly.

BrutusnessOct 5, 20161 votes

Wait, so does this mean Swain is still on the table for a skin before his alleged VGU?

WordofmaskOct 5, 20162 votes

This is not good. I wish he receive his long await VGU next year. The wait shouldn't be last longer than that.

ps. Brutusness, As a dedicated Swain main can I add you to my FL?

OleandervineOct 5, 20162 votes

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Wait, so does this mean Swain is still on the table for a skin before his alleged VGU?

His alleged VGU is not remotely close to happening within the next year. There are larger priorities such as Galio, Urgot, and Evelynn. Galio is confirmed, ans now apparently so is Urgot, but Evelynn has been heavily heavily implied to be getting one next year as well. Beyond them, there are champions like Nunu, Cho'Gath, ans Udyr who are in need of much more work than Swain is.

HyperiönOct 5, 20161 votes

Evelynn is getting reworked in the Assassin Update, so they might throw her VGU in with that, just maybe we will be lucky enough.

OleandervineOct 5, 20164 votes

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Evelynn is getting reworked in the Assassin Update, so they might throw her VGU in with that, just maybe we will be lucky enough.

Actually, no. They've stated numerous times that the work she needs is way too intensive to be a part of the assassin update. They said she'll get minor tweaks, to tide her over, but that she would be in need of a full blown VGU.

WordofmaskOct 5, 20161 votes

Actually he still have a good chance of getting his long overdue VGU next year.

Meddler stated this

"I think it would be good to do one once we're in a position to consider feedback received. A Morde update's not planned for this year though and while he's a possibility for next year there are other strong candidates too (Urgot, Eve, Panth, Swain, Irelia, Morde being the first 6 that come to mind). "

ref: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/06/red-post-collectionstate-of-season-mid.html

as for Cho Reav3 stated to him with this.

"Nothing in the short to medium term. Could imagine something Leona sized at some point, nothing currently slotted though. In terms of a full VGU he's a fair way down the list. He's showing his age, but he doesn't have the comprehensive issues of say Urgot or Warwick."

ref: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/09/red-post-collection-ascension-in-rgmq.html

That means without Eve and Urgot. It should be only Pant Irelia Morde and very few who would get their VGU before him. Yeah there might be other dark horses like Nunu but still Swain have a good chance of getting his VGU next year.

CanastusOct 5, 20162 votes

Jesus Christ, Cassiopeia has been waiting for 1335 days already. From all those champs you've listed, she's the one most eligible for an immediate skin release if you discount those who already received major visual updates or are on the schedule for a VGU. So why are your guys at the skin department still refusing to release anything for her?

LankPantsOct 5, 20162 votes

The others? I totally agree they need new skins! Yorick and Shen are clear of updates and back on the table while Cass, Karth, Swain, Vik and Heim are all overdue.

Zyra? Last skin was a limited skin in 2014, before that she had a skin in 2013 and her release skin. Overall she may be the most ignored champ when it comes to skins, considering she has a grand total of 2 in the shop and neither are particularly appealing. Her best skin is SKT, which is kinda sad.

PapaGreg21Oct 5, 20161 votes

Haunted Zyra is best

ReZisT LustOct 5, 20161 votes

morganas shield should be a pumpkin and why is teemos laaugh still default?

THE RlVER KlNGOct 5, 20161 votes

Sure Vel and TK and Singed got skins, but 750 ones that don't add anything. I'm of the opinion that your reasoning process shouldnt be which champion that already has 6+ skins or a large player base should get skins and rather instead which champions literally haven't gotten skins in 3-4 years or have no 975+ skins already. There was even that time where Draven got Beast Hunter and URF like back to back.

Anyways you all were the ones to choose a Witch theme (because it sells). You could have easily chosen another theme to fit other champions, and still have gone along with Devil Teemo.

SuperLuigiLXIVOct 5, 20161 votes

Morgana got a skin in JANUARY. So why did she get to move ahead of champions that got skins last year? After all, they're not back at the top of the list, but they were certainly higher than Morgana.

VanjieOct 5, 201610 votes

I really love the Halloween Skins. Compared to last year and the horrible Halloween Skins you gave us, this batch is amazing and very well done. I absolutely love that Morgana one and I love seeing Morgana in a dress that doesn't have tent sticks underneath it. Great job.

I get salty every time I see the same old champions getting high-quality skins, being part of amazing skin lines, and getting attention year after year. You have an entire list of champions that need skins, but all you can do is give the same champions high-dollar and well-made skins every year. This is an issue the community has been presenting to you for years now.

I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to see Jinx and Lulu get a Star Guardian skin, when they already have a plethora of 1350 skins with great effects and part of other skins lines. You have champions that fit the theme better and could have easily taken Jinx's spot as an antagonist in the story. You decided to write a character that makes no sense as a Star Guardian . . . . as a Star Guardian . . . . when say Syndra or someone else could have been that spot. You have other champions, like Karma, that could have been a Star Guardian . . . . since you know it kind of fits her theme and she doesn't have a 1350 skin or skin with great character. It's ok though. Will get another low-quality skin for specific champions while Ekko, Jinx, Lulu, Lux, Sona, Ahri, Annie, Teemo and other champions will get the high dollar skins with great character, particle effects, creativity, a great storyline, and media. While other champions like Viktor, Zyra, Cass, Karma, Heimer, and many more . . . can only receive 750 to 900 RP skins. I mean Jinx and Lulu both have 2 1350 skins now. Ekko, Sona, Lulu, and other champions are all part of well designed, creative and interesting skin lines. Stop saying you will continue to be fair and give us skins for all of these champions, when none of these champions line up with what you actually care about.

The community knows what you like to market and bring to the mass. I will use my main as an example. Is Karma going to be as popular as Jinx? No. Because the time and effort you put into jinx year after year is more than Karma. Jinx has an amazing personality and storyline. Jinx has a completed visual update with a good theme, particle effects, proper running animations, and more. Jinx has 2 1350 skins and is part of two really well-done skin lines. Jinx has a music video and media to advertise the champion. How do Karma and other champions even have a chance when you cannot even get a simple rework 3 years ago . . . . right? There you go. You did the same thing with Ekko to. Riot, you choose who you want to make popular in this game and you market it that way. If you spent even an ounce of time on unpopular and hardly worked on champions, you would have a better roster of champions to work with skin wise. You don't. You have excuses as to why this said champion is getting two 1350 skins within a two-year timeline and another champion is only allowed to have a 750 or 900 or not get a skin at all. You have excuses. You don't have actual reasons or care about champion diversity in skins. You give the same champions the best skins every year and you ignore and give the other spectrum of champions the most unimaginative, bland and uncreative skins.

I am already calling next year skin line choices:

Project: Lulu, Lux, and Jinx.

Star Guardian: Ahri, Annie, and Sona

The spectrum of your work is amazing. I love all of the skins you create for the specific champions you do every year. What the community has a problem with is your unwillingness to give other champions the same opportunities to shine. You do know there are Zyra and Cass mains out there right? You do know that Jinx, Teemo, and Lulu all have received 1350+ skins within a year and a half, right? You need to swallow your very big pride and start at least giving us more options in terms of skins. Stop creating low budget and bland skins for unpopular champions, but giving two 1350 well done and creative skins to Jinx and Lulu within a year and a half. Chocies Riot Games. Choices.

RiotKindlejackOct 5, 20164 votes

I appreciate the time you took to write this, but you're telling us what we think and care about, even what we are going to do, which doesn't give me much room for a constructive conversation.

You are definitely right that it's harder for me to understand player's frustrations now that I am on the other side of the veil. I can take for granted that I see much more than players do; a team of passionate people that care so much about what they do, the specific restraints and challenges they face as well as Riot's overall challenges, all the upcoming plans as far out as 2018, the data points between what I read online from players and players actual behaviour, skins that got cancelled for a number if reasons etc. This is one of the main reasons I keep coming to the forums, s@20, reddit, inven, even youtube comments; to try and maintain that perspective and not lose touch.

I also have to admit, as someone that works a lot on trying to make 750's as great as they can be, and goes into meetings with the list of Champs that haven't got a skin since I started and representing them, it does hurt to hear them considered bland and to be told I don't care. But I'll keep working on it!

I'm curious as a Karma main what do you think would be the very best skin we could make for her?

HigeOct 5, 20161 votes

Her sun goddess skin is amazing... but it's not available for purchase :(

ReZisT LustOct 5, 20161 votes

random chests

NefasOct 5, 20166 votes

Why should we think the skins team cares when certain champs have not gotten any skin attention in 3+ years? Cancelled skins don't matter. Plans don't matter. What you say doesn't matter. Actually delievering skins matters and you haven't done that for a lot of champs that have no restrictions on receiving skins and never have.

Hopefully this helps you to understand player frustrations and I really do mean it to be constructive - Yes we don't see the Riot internal side of things but we also shouldn't have to care. If Viktor theoretically had 3 canceled skins over the past 3 years which equated to 0 actual skin releases, I as a Viktor player shouldn't have to care that there were 3 canceled skins. What matters is the 0 actual skin releases. It may be tough to hear but canceled skins/tough to work with modes (Rumble, Zyra, etc) should not be a player problem and should not be an excuse.

GixiaOct 5, 20161 votes

{quoted} I also have to admit, as someone that works a lot on trying to make 750's as great as they can be, and goes into meetings with the list of Champs that haven't got a skin since I started and representing them, it does hurt to hear them considered bland and to be told I don't care. But I'll keep working on it!

I'm always sad when people rag on 750 skins. I already feel like we get less 750 skins than I'd like. As someone who really doesn't appreciate spell effect changes, a lot of my favourite skins are 750s, and a lot of more expensive skins I feel like would be just as good or even better without excessive spell effect changes that jack up the price.

VekknaOct 5, 20166 votes

The comment you replied to is a few degrees more brutal than how I would have phrased it, but they have a decent point. Simply put, Riot's statements on skin priority don't reconcile with what's coming off the assembly line. Here's a quick summary of the major complaints based on apparent contradictions:

Skin priority goes in order based on time since last release, from longest to shortest. Total number of skins also considered. Esports skins are not calculated in the skin priority.

This is your standard complaint. Of the 10 champs who have gone the longest without a new skin, 7 of them have had (or will have) full VGU. The other three are Swain, Viktor, and Zyra, all of whom are near or past 3 years between skins.

Meanwhile, you have Ahri getting Challenger, Academy, and Arcade in the span of 18 months. You have Draven getting Pool Party, Beast Master, and DRAVEN in the span of ten months. Then you have champs not only getting multiples but getting multiples in highly-coveted or high-price point lines, like Ahri, Lulu, Trist, Jinx, Teemo (thanks, btw!), etc.

The Cursed Revenant skins are beautiful, imo, but they aren't flashy enough for Nocturne players to feel like 3.5 years was worth the wait. Players talk shit about good work because they don't know how to communicate that expectations increase as more time passes.

Exceptions to the priority order are made based on inspiration and theme.

This is another hard thing to reconcile when you consider Swain, Viktor, and Zyra. All of them have very strong themes and lots of particles/models. Viktor seems like an obvious candidate for a Dragon Trainer, Arclight, or Project skin. Beatrice is just begging to be made into a bat or a Poro or a sass-talking skull. Zyra was a great fit for Arcade, Program, Void, and Elderwood. Plus, people have been begging for a Death Blossom Zyra for yeeeears.

The inspiration thing makes sense when you have DRAVEN Draven and Hellspawn Teemo. Like, people get that. Bewitching Tristana not so much, even though it's a great skin.

No skins for reworks or upcoming reworks.

Project Katarina and Program Soraka sort of negate any MYMU explanation for Zyra, Vik, and Swain.

Lastly, as a Zyra player this is especially frustrating because her skins were really low resolution, and Wildfire was pretty poorly done all around. I also played Lissandra and didn't mind as much that she didn't have many skins because they were all very distinct and extremely cool.

Zyra's base is great now, but when she had no attention for 3 years, it was a big disappointment that Wildfire couldn't even get the kind of touch-up that SG Lux is getting now.

Hope that explains a bit better.

VanjieOct 5, 20162 votes

What I would really like to see is a visual update that is fully fleshed out. The best thing you can do for Karma is at least complete her visual update and give her an appearance that stands out. She doesn't necessarily need a kit update. Karma needs the visual update Riot promised us three years ago and have yet to actually live up to their promise. I mean with such talented artists that gave a lot of good concept art . . . . we ended up with what we have today . . . it doesn't do anything for her and it is incomplete. I think if you have something that is fully fleshed out the community can come up with ideas around that . . . . but you don't. I mean she has these twin dragons and a mantle thing . . . but none of that is reflected in her kit . . . . so why is it in her appearance? You see what I am saying?

http://pre06.deviantart.net/0e21/th/pre/i/2013/243/4/d/karma_thumbs_paul_kwon_pkfire_by_zeronis-d6kgas5.jpg

I personally I like the 4th one but yeah.

I would like a skin that actually does more for her than change her appearance the balance and update team couldn't even be bothered to finish. Sand Priestess Karma, Snow Day Karma, Arclight Karma, Hindu Goddess, Bewitched Karma, Star Guardian Kama. Do you see the recurring trend here? These are all skins that take Karma out of her usual bulky armor and bland theme . . . . and into another creative light. That is the problem with Karma since day one of her rework. The balance and update team took away every bit of character from Karma they could . . . . to give us a champion that goes know where does nothing, doesn't represent anything, and is incomplete. She is a one-dimensional champion with a bland visual update and personality. The skin team doesn't seem to understand this either because you gave us Warden Karma which offered nothing.

When the balance and update team gives Karma a character and theme, it might be easier for you guys to do your job and easier for us to help you. What we can only suggest is the skin lines you are constantly giving to everyone else but Karma, Cass, Zyra, Viktor and others.

I will also say this . . . . since you want constructive criticism and ideas. If I champion receives an Ultimate or 1350+ skin . . . they should be ineligible for any skin the year next. If a champion is given a 750 or 900 Rp skin . . . . then they should be eligible for a 1350+ next year or another skin. You are not fair enough. You are biased against specific champions.

TortferngatrOct 6, 20162 votes

Program Karma, with a shield that gives upvote arrows around you?

VanjieOct 6, 20162 votes

HellioningOct 5, 20163 votes

Release Dragon Master Swain.

Then we'll talk.

TortferngatrOct 6, 20162 votes

First of all, a comment on the process as a whole: I think that working on multiple skin concepts at a time for champions who are currently in a lengthy skin drought (or a drought of skins higher than 750 RP, in Noc's case) would be appropriate.

It would be more appreciated to "overcompensate" and end up releasing two skins for the same champion after a very long dry spell due to multiple ideas working out than to see none of a single idea working.

Anyways, my perspectives as a main on things:

As a Karthus main: Dark Star, Pool Party, Battlecast/Mecha/PROJECT, an undead renegade version of Battlecast, Mecha, or PROJECT (akin to a Necron from W40K), Program (maybe Virus?), a fire-themed skin (especially given his old Q color was orange), a lightning-themed skin, a Deep Sea skin with cold light as the "energy" of his abilities, an Arclight skin with warm light as the "energy" of his abilities, or even a Void Karthus skin could be cool. Risen Karthus (akin to Fiddlesticks) could be cool, too.
**As an Illaoi secondary **(since she hasn't gotten her first post-launch skin yet): honestly, I'm not sure. An "Elderwood Priestess"/Druid/Earthrune Illaoi that wields gigantic enchanted vines as an emissary of an Elderwood Nagakabouros would be awesome and fit her theme as a promoter of life. Arclight Illaoi with Diablo angel tentacles would be cool, too.

Other miscellaneous ideas:

Deep Sea Zyra: More animal than plant, using hydrothermic vents as seeds for tubeworm "plants." Her ult could be a giant vent.

Medieval Siege Engineer/Sir Heimerdinger: His turrets are crossbows; he throws blacksmith's hammers.

Vampiric Cassiopeia: Undead snake with Twin Fangs and blood-themed abilities?

Mechanist-Archmage Viktor: Arcane magic meets steel, creating runed armor and a magical construct arm of clockwork and magic. W is an arcane ice magic field.

Underworld Caitlyn: Some sort of Widowmaker homage with more shadowy themes.

Earthrune/Druid Jarvan IV: Come on, shirtless or partially shirtless warrior wielding an stone lance with vines growing through it would be a cool take on Jarvan.

Shadow Isles/Dreadknight Jarvan IV: Come on, you know you want to make the Lich King to Jarvan's blatant Arthas reference.

Gentleman Kog'Maw: I think a top hat and monocle works on him for similar reasons as it works on Gnar.

Siege Engine/Sir Rumble: Rumble's mech is a medieval-looking contraption. Come to think of it, a Yordle-based Knight skin series in general would be pretty awesome...

Unholy Guardian Shen: Puts the Spirit Blade to more thematic use as an undead fighter in the same thematic vein as Kalista--bound by a desire to protect others from the dark fate that once befell him.

Beekeeper Swain: It's something that isn't the obvious suggestion of Dragon Master Swain.

Calculus Teacher Veigar: Defeat your opponents with the raw power of MATH. As someone who was very good at math competitions in high school... >:)

Gentleman Yorick: His Mistwalkers are undead hunting dogs. His shovel has a blunderbuss or shotgun attachment for his E.

Debonair Aurelion Sol: (just put him in a white tux and give him sunglasses)

Finally: Think that you could pull off at the very least an April Fools' ~~Reddit~~ Program Karma with upvote shields, downvote tether, and a golden Riot Fist coin showing up behind her when she uses Mantra?

CanastusOct 7, 20162 votes

There's no real excuse for what you've been doing these past months, your choice of champions makes you look super-biased. We already know that Lux is going to receive the next ultimate skin, don't even try to deny it.

How do you explain someone like Cass being left out on so many potential skinlines where she could have fit in? How amazing would it have been to get a PROJECT Cass skin? Or a Dark Star/Cosmic Cassiopeia? (She's named after an actual star constellation after all.) Or even Battle Boss Cassiopeia? So many wasted opportunities, and yet you keep claiming that you haven't forgotten about her and the others.

Nowadays it's extremely hard to believe anything you're saying, you either delay something for years or you simply stop caring. I fear the exact same thing has happened to those who've been waiting for a new Cass skin for 1337 (!) days now. And I've been keeping count on every single one of these days, trust me.

I simply can't stand seeing the same champs getting love over and over again. Cass has NO lore (only 3 lines of text since 2014), NO skins (that's where you come in), NO merchandise, NO artwork, NO summoner icons (the one I'm using is dedicated to Caitlyn of all people...) and, last of all, NO popularity in the community (gee, I wonder why). She desperately NEEDS a legendary skin.

WordofmaskOct 5, 20163 votes

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I really love the Halloween Skins. Compared to last year and the horrible Halloween Skins you gave us, this batch is amazing and very well done. I absolutely love that Morgana one and I love seeing Morgana in a dress that doesn't have tent sticks underneath it. Great job.

I get salty every time I see the same old champions getting high-quality skins, being part of amazing skin lines, and getting attention year after year. You have an entire list of champions that need skins, but all you can do is give the same champions high-dollar and well-made skins every year. This is an issue the community has been presenting to you for years now.

I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to see Jinx and Lulu get a Star Guardian skin, when they already have a plethora of 1350 skins with great effects and part of other skins lines. You have champions that fit the theme better and could have easily taken Jinx's spot as an antagonist in the story. You decided to write a character that makes no sense as a Star Guardian . . . . as a Star Guardian . . . . when say Syndra or someone else could have been that spot. You have other champions, like Karma, that could have been a Star Guardian . . . . since you know it kind of fits her theme and she doesn't have a 1350 skin or skin with great character. It's ok though. Will get another low-quality skin for specific champions while Ekko, Jinx, Lulu, Lux, Sona, Ahri, Annie, Teemo and other champions will get the high dollar skins with great character, particle effects, creativity, a great storyline, and media. While other champions like Viktor, Zyra, Cass, Karma, Heimer, and many more . . . can only receive 750 to 900 RP skins. I mean Jinx and Lulu both have 2 1350 skins now. Ekko, Sona, Lulu, and other champions are all part of well designed, creative and interesting skin lines. Stop saying you will continue to be fair and give us skins for all of these champions, when none of these champions line up with what you actually care about.

The community knows what you like to market and bring to the mass. I will use my main as an example. Is Karma going to be as popular as Jinx? No. Because the time and effort you put into jinx year after year is more than Karma. Jinx has an amazing personality and storyline. Jinx has a completed visual update with a good theme, particle effects, proper running animations, and more. Jinx has 2 1350 skins and is part of two really well-done skin lines. Jinx has a music video and media to advertise the champion. How do Karma and other champions even have a chance when you cannot even get a simple rework 3 years ago . . . . right? There you go. You did the same thing with Ekko to. Riot, you choose who you want to make popular in this game and you market it that way. If you spent even an ounce of time on unpopular and hardly worked on champions, you would have a better roster of champions to work with skin wise. You don't. You have excuses as to why this said champion is getting two 1350 skins within a two-year timeline and another champion is only allowed to have a 750 or 900 or not get a skin at all. You have excuses. You don't have actual reasons or care about champion diversity in skins. You give the same champions the best skins every year and you ignore and give the other spectrum of champions the most unimaginative, bland and uncreative skins.

I am already calling next year skin line choices:

Project: Lulu, Lux, and Jinx.

Star Guardian: Ahri, Annie, and Sona

The spectrum of your work is amazing. I love all of the skins you create for the specific champions you do every year. What the community has a problem with is your unwillingness to give other champions the same opportunities to shine. You do know there are Zyra and Cass mains out there right? You do know that Jinx, Teemo, and Lulu all have received 1350+ skins within a year and a half, right? You need to swallow your very big pride and start at least giving us more options in terms of skins. Stop creating low budget and bland skins for unpopular champions, but giving two 1350 well done and creative skins to Jinx and Lulu within a year and a half. Choices Riot Games. Choices.

Very well and comprehensive post. I can't agree more all of your words.

I'm very surprised that so many ppl still believe that the only reason the team hasn't given some champs a new skin is that they are not fitting the theme. It 's really ridiculous that only certain group of champs keep fitting theme than the others more and more.

i'm not saying Riot has been lying to us but they tell us half of the story because Champion popularity plays a really big part of their decision. More or less or even bigger than which champs fitting the theme. Some of Rioter told us that they were even arranged a meeting for finding a concept for Cotton Fizz skin. The meeting was meant for that issue only. After that you know the rest of the story.

Yeah they are running their business. They can do what ever they want to make their profits. Unfortunately, As a customer. The only thing we can do is complaining.

RebonackOct 5, 20161 votes

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Of the champs listed, I think really only Cass and Syndra would be great fits for Wicked Witches. Galio and Urgot are being reworked, so we have to wait for that to be completed and then settle before making a new skin for them. Vel'koz, Singed and TK got skins earlier this year, Vlad, Skarner, Syndra and Morde got skins last year (which, with a cadence >130 skins a year, means they're not back at the top of the list right now).

The others? I totally agree they need new skins! Yorick and Shen are clear of updates and back on the table while Cass, Karth, Swain, Vik and Heim are all overdue.

When it comes to counting skins, in general older champions are going to have more than newer ones and that probably won't change.

When it comes to skins on older champs, I tend to look at whether or not it's a modern skin. And by modern I mostly mean 'does it have a unique recall animation?' If not, then it's really not up to the current standards Riot has set and probably shouldn't be counted quite as heavily. Doubly so if the skin isn't available for purchase anymore. Or is one of those terrible 2010 recolor skins.

PopCorn Chick3nOct 5, 20162 votes

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Of the champs listed, I think really only Cass and Syndra would be great fits for Wicked Witches. Galio and Urgot are being reworked, so we have to wait for that to be completed and then settle before making a new skin for them. Vel'koz, Singed and TK got skins earlier this year, Vlad, Skarner, Syndra and Morde got skins last year (which, with a cadence >130 skins a year, means they're not back at the top of the list right now).

The others? I totally agree they need new skins! Yorick and Shen are clear of updates and back on the table while Cass, Karth, Swain, Vik and Heim are all overdue.

When it comes to counting skins, in general older champions are going to have more than newer ones and that probably won't change.

You can add Zyra in the list too :). We Zyra mains are desperately need a new skin and you know we waited every new pbe patch and look up who got the new skin. I understand that it's hard to make a skin for Zyra but it's been a very very long time and I really hope she's getting a new one soon.

Jeddy017Oct 4, 20167 votes

Did you factor in the possibility that some of these champs may have skins already in the works? Or they're saving them for a specific event?

THE RlVER KlNGOct 4, 20168 votes

They seem to have no problem having multiple skins 'in the works' for other champions over and over, however. Promising something in the future while other champions get more and more is not an excuse.

RiotKindlejackOct 5, 20167 votes

I can't recall a time when we've worked on two skins for a champion at once. Jeddy017 has a good understanding of how we work, of course I can't comment on anything upcoming.

Nagoh ShanOct 5, 201622 votes

It's a little frustrating when you see Ekko have as many skins as Zyra got the 4 years she's been around, when he's, what, a little over a year old. And one of those is a world's skin.

Or Viktor. He's been around since 2011, and Ekko has as many skins as he does.

Many, much older, champs had finally managed to pass him in skin count, then he gets another one making sure he has as many skins in the year and a half he's been around as they have in the much longer time they've been around. Lissandra, Kha, Diana, and Vel'koz being examples.

I don't have anything against Ekko and the skins are fine, but it's the priorities being shown with the frequent dismissal of champions, and it's frustrating to a lot of people.

THE RlVER KlNGOct 5, 20161 votes

I wasn't saying you have multiple skins for one champion in the works at any given time. I'm saying that the same popular champions consistently get skins with good particles and art and such. It feels like when unpopular champions DO get skins, it's like you just throw them a 750 every now and then to pretend you care. Whereas some champions have multiple great skins just because they'll sell, like Ekko. I could name 30 champs more deserving of that PROJECT skin than him.

GreenLoreOct 6, 20161 votes

I think the skins team worked on Skarners battlecast-alpha and guardian-of-the-sands skins at the same time,I remember a rioter confirming at one point that there were 2 skarner skins in the works shortly before bc-alpha came out.

Poccahontas360Oct 4, 20162 votes

They probably desperately wanted to make a Devil Teemo skin for Halloween, so I think it's reasonable enough for Trist to get a Halloween skin too. Also because there were none or barely any Yordles with Halloween skins. So I can assume where they were going kind of. Not too sure about Morgana either, though. (Since she already is a witch)

THE RlVER KlNGOct 4, 20161 votes

I wasn't really talking about Teemo though. There are no Void champs with Halloween skins either, or Piltover, or Demacian, so......

amazinick1213Oct 4, 20161 votes

I'm happy with devil teeto cuz I hate him and he deserves that skin. I'm kinda indifferent about the Trist one... she has a lot of skins already but I think it's fine. Morg though... what was rito thinking? She already has a halloween skin and a ton of skins... [zombie-brand-mindblown]