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Runeterra Vs Retconterra - Constructive Pros and Cons

Impetual··11 votes·2,371 views

I thought it would be cool to discuss the pros and cons of the lore retcon in a constructive matter.

Disclaimer: My opinion is pretty one sided. If you have a different opinion, POST IT! The point is to have constructive discussion about both pre-retcon and post-retcon Runeterra and figure out if there's a way for us to have best of both worlds!

Maybe some Rioters will take some constructive criticism into consideration.

Share your constructive opinions, whatever they may be about!

Anyways, here we go:

Personally, I really think that the lore content concerning champion releases post retcon has somehow felt much less connected to the world, as we have yet to see any factions interact with each other. For some reason, champions released after the retcon don't seem to have any interactions with champions outside of their own faction.

Except maybe Bard (if we knew anything concrete about something that he actually did)...and Gnar (does he have a faction?)

It would be cool to see the different factions interact again, but I guess that's kinda hard for Riot to pull off as each faction has yet to be redefined to fit into the post-retcon Runeterra.

It also seems like lore concerning the development of the world itself has been pretty much abandoned. It was really cool how the Journal of Justice tied stories into the release of the dominion map. It would be really cool if Riot could do something like that again. (I'm talking more specifically about the lore build up and international importance that affected many champions and nations aspect) Not really sure why they discontinued such a cool narrative device.

To be fair though, we have seen some pretty cool champion videos post retcon...they just don't seem to contain much story. They pretty much seem more concerned with showcasing what champions are at a glance, rather than showing us very much character depth.

Although, that may just be because it's harder to create character depth in a video than in written form. (not sure if it is or not, just a hypothesis)

Also, I gotta admit, I pretty much lost the will to play consistently when I found out Summoners don't exist in Runeterra anymore. They were a really cool interesting part of the lore that made each game feel much more immersive.

Somehow, Summoners existing in Runeterra just made the game feel better to play.

Now, Summoner just means a person/gamer who plays League of Legends, when it used to actually have an in-game meaning as well. It no longer feels as fun to be Summoner.

Sorry if my post was pretty one-sided, but seriously, it would be cool to make a thread that analyzes the pros and cons of the Retcon, so that maybe (fingers crossed) Rioters can discuss and perhaps even alter their lore direction based on constructive feedback and suggestions from the community.

A man can dream.

31 Comments

OneMoreDaySK18 votes

Pros:

  • Potential world building
  • Sion's rework was good

Cons:

  • What lore? Announced way too early without anything to hold it up.
  • When lore? Apparently Soon(tm)
  • Who lore? Um, Narrative team, some of us would like to talk to you all. Not all of us are wielding pitchforks and torches, but if you keep hiding under your bed, that number will keep shrinking. (As if it already hasn't by now)
  • Where lore? How is the world put together at this point? All we see are shiny visual effects, so props to the animation team, but we have no idea where each set-piece is in relation to each other. How many days does it take to walk from Noxus to Demacia, etc. etc?
  • Old Trundle has been taken by body snatchers. He was idealistic who took on his kind's curse and turned cynical later. He is now a power-hungry king of the trolls who did a team-up with Sejuani for more power.
  • Old Skarner has been taken by body snatchers. The last of his kind due to the clashing of Noxus and Demacia, which also resulted in the Dominion map Crystal Scar, he is now generic raid boss #324. I miss his kind.
  • Old Xerath has been taken by body snatchers. Once he was a man obsessed with the arcane, to the point where he lost everything he had loved in pursuit of magic (especially powerful was the last interaction with his wife, after which he couldn't go back). Now he reminds me of Jafar or an FMA villain.
  • Lack of meaningful interaction with the narrative team. The most we've gotten from them is the Soon(tm) message, and that it'll be big. Wouldn't say that is bs, but it really feels like a hype train that's gonna crash hard.
  • What ever happened to player contributions with the Freljord. If I recall correctly, Lissandra's team won... and nothing came from that.
  • Minimal or non-existent character interaction. When's the last time you've seen two champs actually communicate (JoJ anyone)? What's the last flavor text you've seen (need to verify the removed "Flipping Ninja buff") that ties two characters together? Nowadays, every champ is in their own shiny little sealed package separate from others.
  • I have less reason not to believe that my favorite champ, Sona is not the bloodthirsty in the whole lot. Old lore had her join to try and pacify / control the etwahl due to the tragic mishap in her backstory, but now that the IoW is retgone, why is she fighting?

As you can tell, I do have a chip in my shoulder concerning lore.

GreenLore6 votes

I disagree with some points:

-The lore team became rather slow and would probably still be slow even if they didn't retcon runeterra(however we would have more lore at hand).

-it was never said that picking a tribe for the freljord event would have any effect on the lore,dunno why everyone is/was expecting this(also also it is a war that goes back hundreds,if not thousands of years,it won't be won that easily)

-skarners lore is still missing(which is a problem itself),we don't know if he changed at all,he might be guarding the entrance to the caverns of his people.

-Also trundle teamed up with lissandra not sejuani;)

OneMoreDaySK9 votes

  • The bigger problem I see is that they have entirely stopped communication with the community. At this point any speculation, or rather any form of discussion on lore apparently means the team can't use that idea, for one reason or another. JoJ was a good output that made it feel like the universe was progressing.

  • I was kinda basing my expectations for this due to remembering the event that got the Ionian boots into the game. Even something that small would have been a nice nod to the end results of the Freljord event. But at the moment, nothing. Never expected the war to be over, but hoping that there was, once again, a sense of progression on the universe.

  • Thing is, it is mandatory that Skarner's lore changed. The Crystal Scar came about due to Noxus and Demacia duking it out, with the IoW stopping them before the whole world got nuked via magical MAD. They also transplanted him to Shurelia.

  • That one was my mistake. Apologies.

Impetual1 votes

I don't think you are incorrect for basing your expectations for lore production on the lore that was produced in the past.

If Riot has shown us that they can produce lore at a higher quality than they are currently doing, then why shouldn't we call them on that?

UomoAfide1 votes

Actually i think that Riot said the winning tribe chosen throughout the Freljord event would have been considered pretty heavily when building subsequent lore, at least that's what i remember, didn't know if it was just fan speculations, at the time i remember reading something pretty solid, and a youtuber with a connection at Riot (i'm not going to say whom) confirmed that, though there might have been a change of plans, so i always thought it was a pretty reliable information. Obviously that might have been just an unfortunate speculation.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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Actually i think that Riot said the winning tribe chosen throughout the Freljord event would have been considered pretty heavily when building subsequent lore, at least that's what i remember, didn't know if it was just fan speculations, at the time i remember reading something pretty solid, and a youtuber with a connection at Riot (i'm not going to say whom) confirmed that, though there might have been a change of plans, so i always thought it was a pretty reliable information. Obviously that might have been just an unfortunate speculation.

By those Results, The Frostguard would have won. Ashes tribe may have survived a bit, but Sejuanies would have completely be destroyed besides the champions that are part of it.....I dont think I would like endless winter.

Sneak Dog1 votes

Might want to look up a source.

Impetual1 votes

When did they say anything of the sort? Seriously, I'm really curious about this.

Do you have any links/references?

UomoAfide1 votes

Unfortunately no, right now it was almost 3 years ago since i last remember that. I've tried to find out looking to older posts in the forums but it's pretty difficult to find out if i rememberd correctly.

DrCyanide13 votes

I really like the the stuff like...

  • Journal about Rek'Sai
  • The Sion Relaunch.
  • The story telling of Xerath's new lore (first person perspective, giving his thoughts, giving insights into the culture)

I really don't like stuff like...

  • Xerath's personality change (he's "The Politician Ascendant" not "The Magus Ascendant")
  • Azir's lore (it feels boring)
  • Kalista's lore ("Beatlejuice, Beatlejuice, Beatlejuice!" was all I could think off durring it)
  • Ezreal's personality change ("he's gained the reputation of a hero, much to his embarrassment."?!? Who is this champion?)
  • The videos (they're pretty, but shallow)

As for the summoners, I'm kinda indifferent. I'm one of those people that hates Superman because he's too OP, and I feel like summoners were right on the edge of being too OP for good storytelling. On the other hand, I don't think that summoners should have been completely removed. I think they should exist as the way to bring in summoner spells, as a support to the champions, rather than manipulator of the champions.

Tesla Effect3 votes

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  • Ezreal's personality change ("he's gained the reputation of a hero, much to his embarrassment."?!? Who is this champion?)
  • The videos (they're pretty, but shallow)

From what I know, he is still the same Ezreal from Aatroxes lore event. They just didnt update his old lore a bit for the new shurima event, otherwise its completely the same in comparison to his short lore. Some videos tell a lot about the culture of the world if you dig into them. They dont tell much, but they do tell something.

Impetual4 votes

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From what I know, he is still the same Ezreal from Aatroxes lore event. They just didnt update his old lore a bit for the new shurima event, otherwise its completely the same in comparison to his short lore. Some videos tell a lot about the culture of the world if you dig into them. They dont tell much, but they do tell something.

OMG, I totally agree with you! Ezreal being embarrassed by being referred to as a hero seemed totally out of character for him.

This is an example of Riot not respecting core champion themes with their retcon.

I mean seriously, I think we should be able to expect new Riot narrative members to maintain core aspects of a champions personality!

Tesla Effect1 votes

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OMG, I totally agree with you! Ezreal being embarrassed by being referred to as a hero seemed totally out of character for him.

This is an example of Riot not respecting core champion themes with their retcon.

I mean seriously, I think we should be able to expect new Riot narrative members to maintain core aspects of a champions personality!

Thats not what I said :P Him being embarrassed seems in character. Read all the lore related to Ezreal and you will see. Also, does that small part of the character really matter, its not the only thing that defies him doncha know.

Impetual1 votes

Sorry, was a bit off the ball and didn't realize your post wasn't about Ezreal's personality shift within the new lore.

I acknowledge that your post didn't suggest anything remotely concerning such things.

I wrongly assumed you were talking about how out of character the Ezreal's retconned lore made him feel to players. The old Ezreal Lore seems to make him seem like a pretty cocky character. Like someone who wouldn't be embarrassed by being hailed as a hero.

I feel like his in-game voice work supports this.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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Sorry, was a bit off the ball and didn't realize your post wasn't about Ezreal's personality shift within the new lore.

I acknowledge that your post didn't suggest anything remotely concerning such things.

I wrongly assumed you were talking about how out of character the Ezreal's retconned lore made him feel to players. The old Ezreal Lore seems to make him seem like a pretty cocky character. Like someone who wouldn't be embarrassed by being hailed as a hero.

I feel like his in-game voice work supports this.

I think is is rather a cocky character, but when it comes to personal things he is shy to talk about it (his relationship with Lux, a Demacian of noble birth with a rather upstart commoner of Piltover). Its quite a usual thing to popular people to do, we arent 100% how much the paparacy is demanding in this setting or how the cultural & societal structures work.

Impetual4 votes

{quoted}

I really like the the stuff like...

  • Journal about Rek'Sai
  • The Sion Relaunch.
  • The story telling of Xerath's new lore (first person perspective, giving his thoughts, giving insights into the culture)

I really don't like stuff like...

  • Xerath's personality change (he's "The Politician Ascendant" not "The Magus Ascendant")
  • Azir's lore (it feels boring)
  • Kalista's lore ("Beatlejuice, Beatlejuice, Beatlejuice!" was all I could think off durring it)
  • Ezreal's personality change ("he's gained the reputation of a hero, much to his embarrassment."?!? Who is this champion?)
  • The videos (they're pretty, but shallow)

As for the summoners, I'm kinda indifferent. I'm one of those people that hates Superman because he's too OP, and I feel like summoners were right on the edge of being too OP for good storytelling. On the other hand, I don't think that summoners should have been completely removed. I think they should exist as the way to bring in summoner spells, as a support to the champions, rather than manipulator of the champions.

Summoner's weren't really ever OP storywise. They actually kinda depended on champions in order to be useful.

Nameless Hero9 votes

Let's be fair to Riot. The retcon hasn't happened yet.

What you are seeing now is a placeholder for these champions' lore until Riot sorts out his grand narrative issues. The new videos also have a lot of visuals and as little hard facts as possible in order not to clash with the New Lore that Riot is still working on.

Lots of people are unhappy about this and they are justified when they say that Lore has been in limbo for so long but it is unfair to say that the NEW lore sucks because it hasn't happened yet.

For my part, I think that they are trying to tie in the back stories, implement faction allegiances, champion interactions, implement ingame quests like Ashe/Sej/Lissandra and maybe implement new voice over lines which requires a lot of coordination with the different teams, programming and updating the client and is expensive and time consuming as fuck which explains the lateness. I'm not condoning and justifying anything, I'm just trying to be constructive and logical

Impetual10 votes

Thanks for your post!

This is definitely something that we should be taking into consideration. It could very well be the case.

Is the current lore being produced merely "place holder lore"? Who knows?

If we continue to grow this thread and keep things civil, we may even get a Rioter in here who could confirm/deny stuff like that.

It would be nice to actually know what kinda stuff is going on from the Narrative teams perspective.

Anyways, I do disagree with one aspect of your post.

I don't think it is unfair to say "the new lore sucks because it hasn't happened yet".

The retcon* has* happened, the lore backing it up just isn't finished being revealed yet (Same state as the old Lore, it existed, but wasn't finished).

For an ever evolving game, lore is never finished. Lack of lore should never be an excuse for low quality lore, in my opinion.

Nameless Hero5 votes

{quoted} Lack of lore should never be an excuse for low quality lore

Alright fair enough. It is always important to have quality and Riot could have learned a thing or two about change management.

But I still maintain that this is not the new lore in the same way that the construction site next door is not the new mall. The lore is in renovation because it was too small for the players. They are building a bigger, shinier place that will let them host some bigger events and that means that our favourite hanging spot is currently in a toxic mass of splinters, dust and cables.

The way I see it, we can either complain for months or we can grin and bear it and help them speed up the process. Riot IS reading through the numerous boards that are quite frankly piling abuse on them and it does help them when we give constructive feedback on the core aspects of champions. I was there on the old forums when we were discussing Old trundle and I, hum, let's say I didn't see a lot of people defending Leprosy Trundle.

Guys, I understand that you miss your old hanging spot but complaining that everything sucks is not helping anyone.

The lore will be back. Ask Sion

Impetual4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Hero,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ppRfe1Tm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-23T16:24:59.584+0000) But I still maintain that this is not the new lore in the same way that the construction site next door is not the new mall. The lore is in renovation because it was too small for the players. They are building a bigger, shinier place that will let them host some bigger events and that means that our favourite hanging spot is currently in a toxic mass of splinters, dust and cables.

While I am hopeful that this may be the case, almost nothing Riot has actually produced has indicated this.

There have been plenty of projects Riot Narrative has had a hand in since the Retcon was announced, and most of them don't really seem to be creating rich lore, they seem to be about re-enforcing simplified champion themes.

Check out the Bard Trailer!

Almost no actual lore to be found. Just Bard making an appearance in what may be the Ionia vs Noxus conflict, a war that in the new lore doesn't actually make any sense because many of the factors that caused it were written out.

Read pretty much any of the recent champion lore, and it seems (to me at least) that Riot doesn't want to flesh out the lore of its champions anymore. I mean seriously, they keep saying that a tech issue has been preventing them from putting text on a website for* months!* What's the deal with that?

I'm sure that Riot will keep producing lore, I'm just worried that they may think that their current lore production rate, and quality, are at a satisfactory level for Summoners. ( God do I wish summoners were still an actual thing)

Riot has shown us that it handle lore better, they did so during season 1 and 2. Based on the interactions the community has had with Rioters over the years, I would think that they would want us to tell them when they aren't delivering, so that they can use that information to inform their choices and make a better game.

Tesla Effect3 votes

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Let's be fair to Riot. The retcon hasn't happened yet.

What you are seeing now is a placeholder for these champions' lore until Riot sorts out his grand narrative issues. The new videos also have a lot of visuals and as little hard facts as possible in order not to clash with the New Lore that Riot is still working on.

Lots of people are unhappy about this and they are justified when they say that Lore has been in limbo for so long but it is unfair to say that the NEW lore sucks because it hasn't happened yet.

For my part, I think that they are trying to tie in the back stories, implement faction allegiances, champion interactions, implement ingame quests like Ashe/Sej/Lissandra and maybe implement new voice over lines which requires a lot of coordination with the different teams, programming and updating the client and is expensive and time consuming as fuck which explains the lateness. I'm not condoning and justifying anything, I'm just trying to be constructive and logical

I feel the same way. Only thing I will add about this comment is that I personally see some new lore tid bits brewing up for everything they released recently (since I work at the LoL wiki and Im the the front lines when it comes to new lore stuff). Reksais reveal, reworked nations (some are no longer city-states, like Demacia, Noxus, Ionia and Bilgewater), new locations in Bilgewater revealed during the Harrowing, Sions lore hinting at JoJ material transfering into the new canon, Invasion of Ionia is still canon as shown with Bards teaser, Yordle origins and species behaviors from Gnars lore, Poro society, Planatery bodies revealed in the Thunderdome site, summoners still existing, actual timeline of the world....

From what I saw they are truly working on to make THE WORLD of Runeterra, not just the League of Legends and the world around it. The amount of hinted content means that it will take a lot of time (and I mean a lot of time) and effort to make the world we all wanted them to make way back when they announced the retcon. Its a massive shit for in the way they will present the lore for this MOBA afterall, a massive shift that no MOBA besides Dawngate ever tried.

Impetual1 votes

While I would like to agree with you, the amount of hoops my brain would have to jump through to do so would be staggeringly high.

Most of the content of your post seems spun to be incorrect and misleading.

How has Riot made the Invasion of Ionia cannon when the reasons for it no longer exist? How is it cannon if there is no context around it?

How can the JoJ material transfer into the new cannon when major core elements of the world it was written for have been deleted? (Summoners, the Institute of War)

A quick reference to their old lore does not make certain aspects of it cannon.

Tesla Effect1 votes

{quoted}

While I would like to agree with you, the amount of hoops my brain would have to jump through to do so would be staggeringly high.

Most of the content of your post seems spun to be incorrect and misleading.

How has Riot made the Invasion of Ionia cannon when the reasons for it no longer exist? How is it cannon if there is no context around it?

How can the JoJ material transfer into the new cannon when major core elements of the world it was written for have been deleted? (Summoners, the Institute of War)

A quick reference to their old lore does not make certain aspects of it cannon.

I had the opportunity of editing the wiki pages for all of the factions that had some levels of league involvement. Its fairly easy to give another excuse for Noxus to invade Ionia. Ionia is a peaceful nation with no real military, easy target for resource mongers like Noxus, and because Ionia has no political alliance with anyone at the time when the invasion started, Demacia would not have interviened as quickly as it could have. One of the possible reasons for the invasion could also be the powerful artifacts Ionia has (the celestial orb/egg Bard took is a good example), Noxus may want an edge in its Cold War against Demacia. I call it a cold war because upfront battles never really happened until Kalamanda which was sort of like the Cuban Missle crysis of that world if not for the intervention of summoners and Zilean (and yes, summoners are still canon, they just arent pert of any organization know as Institute of War).

So back to Ionia, since Noxus has political alliances with the neighboring nation of Bilgewater and city-state of Zaun, they used those alliances to assist them in this invasion. News of the Invasion of Ionia would eventually come to Demacia which, as stated would heavily intervene against Noxuses onauthorised occupation. Not wanting an all out war just yet, Noxians cleverly make a deal for the duel for the southern parts of Ionia, they make it so that its an legal act (when it isnt, and its also unknow just how much Demacia knows about what happened with the invasion). So the duel happens between the nations best warriors, Ionia failes, couple of years past, the islanders revolt, final duel ends with the victory of Ionia and Noxus is forever banned from politically setting foot on Ionia, why by now has made a political pact with Demacia. Ionia finally opens up as a nation for modern ways of thinking and place themselves at center stage of world events from now on.

The last part with the duels may be changed with the introduction of Ao Shin or similar Ionian champions, but for now the tweaks have been made. There not the best, but at least the info is somewhat update with the current retcon.

Tesla Effect3 votes

{quoted}

Also, I gotta admit, I pretty much lost the will to play consistently when I found out Summoners don't exist in Runeterra anymore. They were a really cool interesting part of the lore that made each game feel much more immersive.

Somehow, Summoners existing in Runeterra just made the game feel better to play.

Now, Summoner just means a person/gamer who plays League of Legends, when it used to actually have an in-game meaning as well. It no longer feels as fun to be Summoner.

I made an Idea about bringing back Summoners into the lore of Runeterra again while pleasing both the fans and the developers. Check it out

Impetual3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tesla Effect,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ppRfe1Tm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-03-23T23:26:58.558+0000)

I made an Idea about bringing back Summoners into the lore of Runeterra again while pleasing both the fans and the developers. Check it out

Yeah, I read that thread. It's a pretty neat Idea, but I would rather see League of Legends go back to having something akin to the Institute of War.

That aspect of political intrigue and corruption really sucked me in.

I also miss the light-hearted random stories that the Journal of Justice provided.

It gave us such wonders as blitzcrank's fleshling compatibility services, Gragas and Jax wrecking up a bar, the whole intrigue of the TF and Evelynn romance...

Riot just doesn't give us interesting and unique content like that anymore.

I miss the mundane silly stuff that made me love these champions!

SchaakaKon3 votes

When Braum first came out, I said it and it still holds true since, Braums lore is told as a legend to the then young princess Ashe. League of Legends is going to be a game where Runeterras legends through out history fight each other in a super smash bros brawl.

It would be awesome if we got a story of, lets say, Renekton in Noxus having a joyful time playing with all the newish age weaponry and viseversa Nasus in Piltover acting like a grumpy old man to all the new tech.

Impetual2 votes

C'mon Forum goers, feel free to join in and discuss what you like/dislike about the retcon! What are the pros and cons?

Nameless Hero5 votes

Patience young Padawan. It is 6 am right now in America. Most of the board is still asleep

Killer of Poros2 votes

They need to have a way that allows the characters gain more from each other. There doesn't need to be complete closure such as Rengar slaying Kha'zix or vice versa, for obvious reasons, but the different characters have become one dimensional entities without growth. To me that stagnates the lore in the worst possible sense.

Nybx4life2 votes

Let's see: Pro: -Animation intros of champs are looking quite nice; Kalista, Amumu, Rek'Sai, Bard are examples

-Some stories are nice as they give other champ perspectives; Rengar's POV of Gnar's lore story is cool, Jinx's and Braum's lore stories are also good.

-They have the POTENTIAL to do it great.

Con: -Lack of material. Back to the "DC New 52" argument; when DC announced a retcon of its universe, they were ready with the comics of ALL their heroes to start up. Riot needed to have been ready to roll this stuff out, and that's a major gripe of everyone here, I think.

-Cohesion. Some champs had reasons to fight on the regular; Demacia and Noxus guys in general. Others don't; Sona, Ezrael(?), Nami, and MAYBE Bard. Sprinkle me on some crackers and call me salty, but I'm VERY uncomfortable having a game like this broken down to Super Smash Bros. It doesn't have the CONTEXT to do so (yes, Smash Bros had a reason why Nintendo all stars from various games came together to duke it out...they were toys being played with), and I think it needs something that brings these champs together to fight.

-Champions. While I personally feel there wasn't a great amount of detail placed into the world of Runeterra pre-retcon, there was a solid story provided with the champions. Those stories, some STRONGLY tied to the now non-existent League, made their personalities and who they are. An example would be Jax Jax; although he was a mercenary, he was a NOBODY before the League, an arena to display his skills. This is in contrast to other mercenary-type champions like Miss Fortune MissFortune or Sivir Sivir who are known for being good at that trade. Without it, I don't see him being a champion at all. There's others who have similar arguments, but others can fill in those blanks.

-Lore. While I do commend the team for having some good presentation, I will have to deduct it for not actually providing anything worthy for some champions in actual lore. Looking at my argument for the retcon, Gnar's Gnar lore told through Rengar's POV is a great story...that told us little about Gnar we don't already know through gameplay. In gameplay, he seems little more than a Pokemon. Other champions suffer the same issue: Kalista Kalista for example has a great short video that introduces people to her, and her quotes in game suggest an inner conflict, but her damn summarized lore doesn't give her anything! This might end up in a "quality vs quantity argument", but one piece of hors d'oeuvres, regardless of how delicious it is, isn't filling at all. On that note...

-Summarized lore. I get that people want tl'dr versions of damn near everything, but don't put that in a character's story. It annoys me because then I feel that the Narrative team is lazy. I'd honestly wait for a full fledged story that gives substance to a character, than some two or three sentences that describes them. Tristana Tristana is a pretty huge offense to me. You could honestly leave her lore page empty and let her in-game quotes summarize her personality. Lore EVENTS may get a summary on the client, but not the champions.

BlazeRiver1 votes

Pros -Sion's new story

Cons -feels like nothing was put into the world in place of the IOW -needs clarification on what happened and what didn't -needs a way to truly feel that this isn't lore that would have been consistent with the pre-retcon world/needed the IOW gone

I'm pretty biased towards the pre-retcon world. Usually, I just ignore the fact that officially, the IOW doesn't exist. The lore has been with me long before I started playing the game, and personally it's what kept me going before. Now, however, I've mostly abandoned the game.

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