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I noticed a small change to Kog'Maw's Lore

Rebonack··7 votes·2,008 views

Previously he met up with Malzahar at the League and was ostensibly sealed there like Cho'Gath was.

Now the situation is left open, he's still wandering around Valoran looking for Malz, likely making friends with (eating) everyone he meets along the way. I know Malz was often pitched as hanging out in Zaun back in the Journal of Justice, but I don't know how accurate that is at this point. That would leave Kog waddling through Noxus to get there, which would probably result in... confrontations.

Considering that Kog's lore suggests that he breaks reality around himself simply by existing, I'm not sure how those confrontations would go down. A creature that's unhampered by silly little rules like Newton's laws of motion and the conservation of mass would probably be difficult to kill.

So what is Kog up to right now? Has he eaten anyone interesting lately? Is his character capable of evolving beyond 'wants to eat things'? He doesn't seem openly malevolent, just hungry and curious. That kind of alien mindset could actually make for some pretty interesting Lore exploration.

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Sharjo5 votes

Kog'Maw's not the only champion with this change; Dr. Mundo, Irelia, Galio, Nidalee, Leona Varus, Xin Zhao and Rumble all have had the IoW omitted from their lore.

On the pbe right now the same applies to Talon, Urgot, Jarvan, Caitlyn, Vayne, Annie and Blitzcrank.

Slowly all champions with small IoW mentions will be re-written like this while they wait for a proper rewrite.

Tesla Effect2 votes

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Kog'Maw's not the only champion with this change; Dr. Mundo, Irelia, Galio, Nidalee, Leona Varus, Xin Zhao and Rumble all have had the IoW omitted from their lore.

On the pbe right now the same applies to Talon, Urgot, Jarvan, Caitlyn, Vayne, Annie and Blitzcrank.

Slowly all champions with small IoW mentions will be re-written like this while they wait for a proper rewrite.

Or at least larger story versions of their current smaller main lores. With introductionary lore and an additional story to back it up.

RiotRiotJaredan2 votes

As Sharjo states, reality is.

Rebonack3 votes

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As Sharjo states, reality is.

Except if it isn't. Holographic universe and all that.

One of my favorite takes on eldritch abominations is that they aren't simply bigger or older or more powerful than material beings, they're all of those things, yes. But the crux of the matter is that they're more real. From their point of view, material creatures are a compelling story at best and a simulation at worst, so to annihilate trillions of lives is no more of an ethical issue to them than writing the sentence 'And then everyone in the universe died.' Because none of those lives are real, they don't count.

Under that interpretation, creatures like Kog can ignore the rules of reality because he transcends it.

Maybe that isn't what's going at all, but if you would like to share the canon Lore reason why Kog is able to flagrantly ignore basic physical laws with us, I would love to hear it =3

GreenLore3 votes

They erased the mentions of the IoW in several lores,kog'maws lore is simply one of them.

Also I dunno how you get the idea that kog breaks the reality around himself.

And overall I think Kog'Maw is one of the few void-champs who actually have quite some space for character development,I mean kog'maw is basically a toddler,so he wants to learn. He might learn that not everything has to be eaten,that he can bond with others(even if its just a means for him to get more food) and then there are possible plots about Kog'maws dad that could end up very interesting.

Rebonack1 votes

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They erased the mentions of the IoW in several lores,kog'maws lore is simply one of them.

Yeah, I noticed that as I started looking. The reason this excites me for Kog at least is that it means his story is now open rather than closed. There's not much he would be able to do sealed in the IoW. But out wandering around the country-side? Who knows what kind of trouble he could get into.

Also I dunno how you get the idea that kog breaks the reality around himself.

Inference on my part. Widening the fissure between Valoran and the Void (I don't recall something similar happening when Vel manifested) and his flagrant disregard for physics when he encountered the nomads. Again, I don't recall any mention of the other Voidborn being able to straight up ignore physical laws in quite the way Kog does.

And overall I think Kog'Maw is one of the few void-champs who actually have quite some space for character development,I mean kog'maw is basically a toddler,so he wants to learn. He might learn that not everything has to be eaten,that he can bond with others(even if its just a means for him to get more food) and then there are possible plots about Kog'maws dad that could end up very interesting.

Exactly. Kog discovering that he can be hungry for other things like, say, companionship, could make for a really interest character arc if Riot ever gets around to exploring the Void champions in a future event. We already know that the Void champs aren't of one mind. Vel'Koz vaporizes some voidlings because he wanted to pursue his own agenda. If Kog managed to actually befriend someone, would he try to stand up to Cho'Gath to protect them?

GreenLore1 votes

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Inference on my part. Widening the fissure between Valoran and the Void (I don't recall something similar happening when Vel manifested) and his flagrant disregard for physics when he encountered the nomads. Again, I don't recall any mention of the other Voidborn being able to straight up ignore physical laws in quite the way Kog does.

I understand it more that the spark that lured kog'maw to valoran was the one that widened the fissure between valoran and the void. It also sounds a lot like it is the thing that manipulates malzahar and that "ignoring physics" part sounds like it just references kog'maw eating lots of stuff,more than he should be capable of.

Exactly. Kog discovering that he can be hungry for other things like, say, companionship, could make for a really interest character arc if Riot ever gets around to exploring the Void champions in a future event. We already know that the Void champs aren't of one mind. Vel'Koz vaporizes some voidlings because he wanted to pursue his own agenda. If Kog managed to actually befriend someone, would he try to stand up to Cho'Gath to protect them?

Honestly the fact that Kog'maw is pretty much the only void monster so far who might develop empathy for others,is also a champion who has a suicide passive,makes me think that it is very likely for him to die in the lore eventually in a rather sad way. Sacrificing his life for someone else... Just speculation though and I think at this point the lore is nowhere near enough for any champ to permanently die.

Rebonack1 votes

{quoted} Honestly the fact that Kog'maw is pretty much the only void monster so far who might develop empathy for others,is also a champion who has a suicide passive,makes me think that it is very likely for him to die in the lore eventually in a rather sad way. Sacrificing his life for someone else... Just speculation though and I think at this point the lore is nowhere near enough for any champ to permanently die.

It would make for a pretty great story, no doubt.

There's a pretty good chance that killing a Voidborn's physical form doesn't kill them, it just banishes their essence back to the Void. Kog could sacrifice himself in the story, which could be used as an in for him to return in a stronger, more mature form.

It would be a great excuse for Riot to finally give him a much needed visual update. Hopefully along with some kit changes to make him a bit less underwhelming.

LaoBushido2 votes

All your questions and more will be told in the action packed episode of a void event....when ever that is

Rebonack1 votes

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All your questions and more will be told in the action packed episode of a void event....when ever that is

I wouldn't mind some kind of Void-related event. Not a spooky invasion sort of thing, though. The Shadow Isles are already covering the whole 'looming existential threat' side of the equation. Following Kass and some others as they thwart an incursion by the Void would probably be the best we get.

Illiad1 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Mr Vulcanator1 votes

I'm pretty sure that his stomach acid is the reason for eating large things.

Rebonack1 votes

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I'm pretty sure that his stomach acid is the reason for eating large things.

Acid would just liquefy stuff. Kog ate 'many times his own mass and volume'. So either something wonky is going on with the normal concept of space or conservation of mass is being broken. And that's aside from Kog being 'uninhibited' by conventional laws of physics.

Mysterious!

Mr Vulcanator1 votes

He's compressing the matter when he liquefies it. I also theorize that a bit of it is becoming a gas that he's burping out.

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Vulcanator,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nwwH5vFE,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-01-19T19:38:35.540+0000)

He's compressing the matter when he liquefies it. I also theorize that a bit of it is becoming a gas that he's burping out.

Or he's just bigger on the inside than he is on the outside.

One theory I've heard about his passive is that when he takes lethal damage the space-warping effect that allows him to eat endlessly fails, causing him to explode in an eruption of everything he's ever eaten ever.

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