Idk, we've never had any hellish stuff in the lore before and while being in-game, it should still represent the character itself.
Imagine if we had "That feeling when you go to the bathroom in the morning" for Xerath's ultimate or something.
Or "Heavenly Guidance" for Kayle's W and so on..
Veraska5 votesHellbent doesn't necesarily mean hellish or demonic, the definition of the phrase hellbent is "determined to complete a task at all costs" which is how aatrox should feel when he's got the revive, it's when he should be going the most ham
rtbf2256182411 votesAnd it literally has Hell in it. The word itself uses Hell to be a figure of speech.
That's like saying "Jeez!" when it's derived from "Jesus" and saying they're totally different things. They're not.
GreenLore3 votesThen by that logic no one in runeterra would be allowed to use words like celsius/Fahrenheit as the people after which these terms were named didn't exist in runeterra or kilometre as the greek language never existed in runeterra either.
Also Kled has the quote: "I'm from all over. It's next to nowhere and shut the **hell **up!"
So hell is likely a concept that is well known in runeterra and thus it wouldn't be odd for the word "hellbent" to exist as well.
rtbf2256182411 votesBut they never use those words. And yes, it wouldn't make sense as there has to be a backstory. Otherwise it wouldn't be fantasy now would it? Or it would feel stupidly forced.
Kled breaks the fourth wall, he is basically the worst example of a credible individual. I'd rather stick to his actual lore rather than the game given his integrity is supposted to be shit for comical relief.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesthis game's lore isnt that serious. im sorry to break it to you. if you want a world that's super cereal then you'll have to just milk it as best as you can.
90% of the character dialog and emotes are based on the real world.
there isnt a single video game or fiction novel that goes to that length because if they did the audience would have nothing to grasp at for familiarity.
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i know! how about this - they're not speaking englsh since it's a fantasy environment they're obviously speaking a language that was created in their universe. the english that spread english do not exist in their universe. you're reading a translation of their language. since translations are never exact then you COULD change hellbent with determined and then there would be no worries because in the english language hellbent and determined are synonyms whereas in the situation of this one translation the translator decided they liked the word hellbent over the word determined.
rtbf2256182411 votesI didn't mean they have to go to extremes. They just shouldn't copy-paste definitions over like this and make it part of the lore just "because it could happen". Well no shit, but this feels forced.
Why not add Alter-Christianity in aswell since Hell has to have a contrast?
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesbecause the people making this game arent prejudice against religious affiliation and dont look for ways to pull hate out of thin air?
this is a game about resurrecting warriors from the past and forcing them to fight to the death in an arena. your fixation on the word hellbent is a bit silly. attriox is meant to look deformed and hellish. warwick is an abomination of science and cruel torture. kayle is an angel. morgana is a demon. vladimir is a vampire. the people who make this game might not share your religious background and if not then they probably dont know enough about it or care enough about it since they already most likely have their own. some of their religious ideology might end up in the game. some of their personal interests might end up in the game. some of their favorite words might end up in the game.
if that bothers you then this probably isnt a game you should be playing because it's too diversely cultured for you. i would go so far as to say stay off the internet and avoid most modern entertainment.
if you want something to be upset about because it's compared to hell then check this out.
rtbf2256182411 votesbecause the people making this game arent prejudice against religious affiliation and dont look for ways to pull hate out of thin air?
What does adding Alt-Christianity have anything to do with hate or prejudice? That was merely a suggestion without implication and you just proved to me that you're the one who resorts to such primitive assumptions.
this is a game about resurrecting warriors from the past and forcing them to fight to the death in an arena.
Yeah, yeah, let's go into the deep lore of League to try and win an argument against me because that is "obviously" how far did the decision making with his Passive name go into. I bet some guy just couldn't make up a name that wasn't taken like Unforgiving or Unbroken, etc because they would fit Yasuo or Riven more and just put this on within 10 mins.
attriox is meant to look deformed and hellish. warwick is an abomination of science and cruel torture. kayle is an angel. morgana is a demon. vladimir is a vampire.
What i just said. You're taking this to ridiculous lengths that nobody most likely cares about.
Plus, we don't know what Kayle/Morgana are, while being clearly inspired by religion, their lores are nto updated yet, and Vladimir is a Hemomancer not a Vampire. Ironic you don't know these things.
he people who make this game might not share your religious background and if not then they probably dont know enough about it or care enough about it since they already most likely have their own. some of their religious ideology might end up in the game. some of their personal interests might end up in the game. some of their favorite words might end up in the game
This is not about Riot's or whoever the hell's religious ideology, wtf are you even talking about now? The whole thread is that they shoehorned Hell into League when it has like 1 - 2 minor dialogue references at most, 1 of which is from a character whose integrity is so shit he should be long dead of age, unless Yordles can live hundreds of years and he breaks the 4th wall in-game which is also where he uses the word "Hell". Regardless, you're pushing this into territory that has no ties to the fact that Aatrox's Passive was most likely named this stupidly due to the fact they couldn't think of anything better.
PS:I'm not religious at all, here come the assumption, eh?
if that bothers you then this probably isnt a game you should be playing because it's too diversely cultured for you. i would go so far as to say stay off the internet and avoid most modern entertainment.
I would tell you to do the same, as you come here with your worthless prejudice. I feel sorry for whoever you come in contact with in the future. You should avoid human contact in general if you're like this face-to-face aswell. Wasting my time with you people.
if you want something to be upset about because it's compared to hell then check this out.
A good demonstration of your "high level of intelligence" by linking me with an alternative universe fantasy. Predictable from someone like you.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesyou're making a big deal out of a word because a game designer and a champion artist decided they wanted to do a double entendre and raising an issue of religious question about a game that is designed in a fantasy environment based on said word and trying to force a comparison based on an incorrectly defined distant use of the word.
that's the epitome of asinine.
no. you're wrong. aatrox is designed to look like a demon because the people who play the game can relate to that. aatrox is not a demon. he is not from hell or any other similar plane of existence. he's just as shoehorned as 90% of the rest of the cast of champs. asking for lore behind these characters and then complaining about how it turns out would be like watching the deadliest warrior and then spitting cereal everything saying "that'd never happen those romans would be centuries old at the time of the great war". that was my point by mentioning all of the other characters that i mentioned and even you proved my point without me having to further clarify. aatrox if i remember correctly is similar to tryndamere in that he's "possessed" by an magical sword.
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and i use the word possessed here in parentheses not because it's a quote, but because it's a loose description since practically nothing is ever clearly explained.
rtbf2256182411 votesyou're making a big deal out of a word because a game designer and a champion artist decided they wanted to do a double entendre and raising an issue of religious question about a game that is designed in a fantasy environment based on said word and trying to force a comparison based on an incorrectly defined distant use of the word.
Um, i never raised any religious questions. I raised a question whether or not Hell should be involved in this. When the f*ck did i apply Hell as a religion into this?
that's the epitome of asinine.
Don't play linguistics teacher with me just because English is your native language, smartass.
no. you're wrong. aatrox is designed to look like a demon because the people who play the game can relate to that. aatrox is not a demon. he is not from hell or any other similar plane of existence. he's just as shoehorned as 90% of the rest of the cast of champs. asking for lore behind these characters and then complaining about how it turns out would be like watching the deadliest warrior and then spitting cereal everything saying "that'd never happen those romans would be centuries old at the time of the great war". that was my point by mentioning all of the other characters that i mentioned and even you proved my point without me having to further clarify. aatrox if i remember correctly is similar to tryndamere in that he's "possessed" by an magical sword.
None of what you said is relevant at all. Did you just compare me to those guys who question realism? The fuck? The whole point of the thread, is that something that's described as a reference to Hell, shouldn't be involved in a character's kit in whose universe, it doesn't even exist.
That's like saying:
"Let's rename all of Lee Sin's abilities with real life martial arts techniques and do the same for all Ionian champions since they resemble Eastern Culture."
Bullshit, it would feel forced and makes the world of Runeterra feel uncredible as it's originality becomes questionable not to mention it would lack any creativity if things like this were copy-pasted all the time.
and i use the word possessed here in parentheses not because it's a quote, but because it's a loose description since practically nothing is ever clearly explained.
I don't even know what are you talking about here I don't remember Aatrox or Tryndamere neither being mentioned in a way that describes them as being "possessed". They both have great swords, yeah, but nothing that ever possessed them.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesFueled by his unbridled fury and rage, Tryndamere cuts his way through the tundra, mastering the art of battle by challenging the Freljord's greatest warriors. The wrathful barbarian seeks revenge on the one who decimated his clan and strikes down all those who stand between him and his final retribution.
Struggling to survive in the harsh, frostbitten Freljord, the young Tryndamere and his people warred with other tribes over the scarce resources of the land. One such battle changed his life forever. Raiders ambushed Tryndamere's clan in the dead of night, and though his warriors were able to push the first wave of attackers back, they weren't prepared for the dark figure that next stepped forth.** He wielded a cruel, living sword, and inspired an unhinged bloodlust in the invaders with his unearthly magic.** Tryndamere's tribe was overrun within moments. With no hope of defeating the enigmatic being, Tryndamere threw himself at certain death. The dark figure swatted him aside, mortally wounding the young barbarian.
Tryndamere saw death and destruction engulf his home as his life slipped away. No one was left standing - only the screams of the dying remained. Unable to surrender to death, Tryndamere gave in fully to his wrath. His blood boiled and his anger consumed him, banishing his mortality. He staggered to his feet - barely able to take hold of his sword - steeling himself for the decisive confrontation with the shadowy being. **But the dark figure did not even lift his blade, and instead gave Tryndamere a knowing smile as he withdrew into the shadows. That was the last time the barbarian ever saw his nemesis. ** A man robbed of his home and his people, Tryndamere wandered across the Freljord for years, vowing to forge himself into a brutal instrument of revenge. He visited all the tribes in the frozen wastes, besting each of their warriors until there were none left to challenge. In doing so, he mastered the barbarian ways of war and harnessed his anger as a force to be reckoned with. With sword in hand and rage in his heart, he is now on an undying quest for vengeance against the one who destroyed the life he once knew.
''Rage is my weapon.'' -- Tryndamere
Aatrox is a legendary warrior, one of only five that remain of an ancient race known as the Darkin. He wields his massive blade with grace and poise, slicing through legions in a style that is hypnotic to behold. With each foe felled, Aatrox's seemingly living blade drinks in their blood, empowering him and fueling his brutal, elegant campaign of slaughter.
The earliest tale of Aatrox is as old as recorded history. It tells of a war between two great factions remembered only as the Protectorate and the Magelords. Over time, the Magelords won a series of crushing victories, leaving them on the brink of obliterating their sworn enemy forever. On the day of their final confrontation, the Protectorate army found themselves outnumbered, exhausted, and poorly equipped. They braced for inevitable defeat.
Just when all hope seemed lost, Aatrox appeared among the ranks of the Protectorate. With but a few words, he urged the soldiers to fight to the last before throwing himself into battle. His presence inspired the desperate warriors. At first, they could only watch in awe as this unknown hero cleaved through their enemies, his body and blade moving in unison as if one being. Soon, the warriors found themselves imbued with a potent thirst for battle. They followed Aatrox into the fray, each fighting with the furious strength of ten until they had won a most unlikely victory.
Aatrox vanished after that battle, but the Protectorate army's newfound fury did not. Their surprising triumph led to many more until they were able to finally return home victorious. Their countrymen hailed them as heroes, but though they had saved their entire civilization from destruction, darkness lingered in the mind of each warrior. Something within them had changed. Over time, their memories of battle faded, only to be replaced with a grim revelation: their acts of heroism were, in fact, brutal atrocities committed by their own hands.
Tales like these appear among the myths of many cultures. If they are all to be believed, Aatrox's presence has changed the course of some of the most important wars in history. Though these stories remember him as a savior in dark times, Aatrox's true legacy may be a world filled with conflict and strife.
''Some fight for honor, some fight for glory. It matters only that you fight.'' -- Aatrox
tryndamere is a half darkin. or cursed by the darkin. his sword and fury is proof of that but it's not fully explained. it's left as just folklore and myth.
rtbf2256182411 votesYou didn't have to copy - paste 2 stories here. Just the parts that are important to you...Jesus.
Anyway, both of these stories tell us how they are empowered by the curse/magic.
First, let's look at Tryndamere's weapon:
It never actually says it empowers him or anything. It's his own rage that breaks him apart from the bounds of life. Obviously, it's because Aatrox did something to him but it never said anything about the blade.
Oh and don't take "Rage is my weapon." literally. That's just way too far-fetched. It most likely means that he uses Rage to fight his enemies when he starts to go down.
Second, Aatrox's weapon:
So i don't know what you meant by being "possessed" or something but nothing of the sort's is mentioned.
The story says "He wielded a cruel, living sword, and inspired an unhinged bloodlust in the invaders with his unearthly magic."
And as we know, this magic merely makes blood empower the sword, not that the sword empowers/possesses Aatrox.
Clear enough for you?
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesno not really. since tryndamere is an old character and aatrox came out in the second or third season they're both pretty terrible when it comes to lore that fits in with the rebuild of runeterra.
rtbf2256182411 votesI don't care but it's settled then?
GreenLore2 votesYou are seriously still arguing against this despite the fact that Sharjo below pointed out that Rafen mentioned the circles of hell?
Like why is it important that Kled tends to break the 4th wall if you got already another,more serious example of a character mentioning hell? It seems like you are just arguing against this for the sake of arguing.
rtbf2256182411 votesAnd i replied to him about that.
Like why is it important that Kled tends to break the 4th wall if you got already another,more serious example of a character mentioning hell? It seems like you are just arguing against this for the sake of arguing.
What is this other character you speak of?
And i think you're using the mob mentality to argue against me instead. If i have 6 people arguing against me then you think you have the upper hand. Typical.
GreenLore2 votesThe character I'm talking about is Rafen. And overall my problem is more that you argued against my arguement,even though sharjos example below clearly proves my point(and you yourself didn't have any counterarguement against him)
rtbf2256182411 votesAnd that's the only example in the whole lore where 1 word is used just to curse. Not convincing enough.
And overall my problem is more that you argued against my arguement,even though sharjos example below clearly proves my point(and you yourself didn't have any counterarguement against him)
I didn't. But as i said that's the only example in the whole lore and a trivial one. You'd need more than that.
The whole reason i don't like it in Aatrox's kit is because it feels artificial and forced just to make a shitty pun.
GreenLore2 votesSo just because we have only one clear example you are not convinced? Thats like saying that black cats don't exist,just because you saw only one in your life.
Also i'd say it would be an even worse pun if Aatrox was actually related to hell.
rtbf2256182411 votesYea..not an appropriate comparison by a longshot.
For all i know, it may have been poor writing so yes, i am definetly not convinced by that.
GreenLore2 votesSo yeah,there is no point in arguing with you if you deny clear proof.
The line that Sharjo used wasn't even a throwaway line that just used hell as a curse word,as Rafen specifically said "seven hells" which means that in runeterra(or at least bilgewater),they belive that 7 hells exist,similar to the 9 circles of hell from dantes inferno. Even more jarring is the fact that this lore piece came out around a time where riot established how important world building is for them,so just thinking "nah its bad writing that wasn't properly controlled" shows how much in denial you are Sorry,but there is no point in discussing this any further if you can't even see that this is proof that the idea of hell exists in runeterra
Epicurus2 votesIronically, his Aatrox's passive tooltip features the words "Hellbent upon taking fatal damage", which I find very amusing.
Sharjo4 votesHell's been a concept at the very least in League since Shadow and Fortune, when Rafen says "Seven hells", so at the very least conceptually they have some kind of hell. Whether or not there's an ACTUAL Hell remains to be seen, though it depends on how spirits and the afterlife work, a concept that we have yet to see since we've only heard mumblings about the spirit realm and Kindred's not bothered about any afterlife.
rtbf2256182413 votesWell okay i'll give you that for Rafen but "Hellbent" to be an actual character's ability makes it feel...more authentic..and boring imo. I mean at least the Elder Scrolls made it "Oblivion" although it's very obviously Hell.
Plus, we already have The Void which i thought kinda resembled Hell in an alternate fashion.
Sharjo3 votesThe Void's an alt dimension of flesh machines and not really synonymus with hell.
GreenLore2 votesWell no one says that hell is actually a real thing. Just because humans belief in it(or at least know the concept of hell) doesn't mean it exists.
rtbf2256182411 votesWhat does that have to do with anything? Did someone say Hell is a real thing in some reality?
GreenLore3 votesYou are implying that just because the word hellbent exist,that Aatrox is actually from hell.
And you are the one who talks about how it'd be cooler if hell had a different name like oblivion.
I'm just saying that the word hellbent likely exists because the idea of hell exists in runeterra. But that doesn't mean that Aatrox has a connection to hell,or that hell is even a real thing.
rtbf2256182411 votesI am not implying anything. That was a question. And i knew someone would nitpick the fucking title at some point. I can't make a longer title you know.
So does "Hellbent" mean Aatrox is Hellish/from Hell or somehow the concept exists in Runeterra despite it feeling kind of forced for an easy idea for a Passive name? Why not "Wings of Blood" or something?
Fixed it for you.
And you are the one who talks about how it'd be cooler if hell had a different name like oblivion.
I never said it would be cooler, i just think shoehorning Hell into this for an easier idea of a Passive name feels forced and lame imo. I brought Oblivion as an example because it has depth and reason.
TyrekGoldenspear3 votesYou are way too bent out of shape over a name of an ability.
Chill dude.
rtbf2256182411 votesI am chill. Should i just ignore the comments arguing against my reasoning? Not my fault the mob mentality strikes again.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesYou really had no legitimate reason to make this thread in the first place.
This thread can come off as "They used the word Hell in an ability! Hell mustn't exist there! WHY! You can't use that word Rito!"
I mean really? It's just an ability name. It fits. Quit getting worked up about it. It's like that thread you made about SG Janna. There was no real purpose for it and you simply didn't understand the concepts of said subject enough to make a constructive thread on it.
rtbf2256182411 votesFirst, it's your word against mine. I say i have a legitimate reason to make a thread. You're being a hypocrite by wasting time telling me otherwise as if you have any credibility in my eyes. With all due respect, you're all a-holes ganging up on one person anyway in my eyes with no actual thought in your heads because you can't afford to be proven wrong.
This thread can come off as "They used the word Hell in an ability! Hell mustn't exist there! WHY! You can't use that word Rito!"
If you change my phrasing to THAT then no wonder nobody would listen. That's as good as saying "Yasuo players suck! They abuse the champion's forgiving abilities and win games with 0 skill. fuck you!" and people like you actually listen to that, despite how ridiculous it sounds.
I mean really? It's just an ability name. It fits. Quit getting worked up about it. It's like that thread you made about SG Janna. There was no real purpose for it and you simply didn't understand the concepts of said subject enough to make a constructive thread on it.
It doesn't fit thematically is my argument. When did Aatrox get ties to Hell to have that in his kit?
that thread you made about SG Janna.
There was no real purpose for it and you simply didn't understand the concepts of said subject enough to make a constructive thread on it.
Honestly why did you have to bring that up? It's a 6 months old thread or are you really THAT insecure? You just had to mention it to get the last word and "win the argument" on that one? I swear, the only reason people downvote my stuff when i have a different opinion is because of that alone since they can't get over it since they're used to fucking around in Memes & Games where everyone can be a retard equally without serious talk. The truth is too painful for them i guess.
Well no, i simply disagree. That skin oversexualized Janna further and makes her look like a sex doll. That's my answer. You can't elaborate on it any further as i replied to every comment there was with the most likely argument you'd come up with and you can go read those instead. You can't prove me wrong or anything either. If you're gonna turn this into a SG Janna comment thread i'm going to have to report you for harassment since you can't actually necro the actual thread for it's comments being closed and you're basically bringing up off-topic crap from half a year ago.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesFirst, it's your word against mine. I say i have a legitimate reason to make a thread. You're being a hypocrite by wasting time telling me otherwise as if you have any credibility in my eyes. With all due respect, you're all a-holes ganging up on one person anyway in my eyes with no actual thought in your heads because you can't afford to be proven wrong.
You haven't even proven anyone wrong yet, you are literally arguing sematics and word choice which shouldn't matter in a fantasy setting. As someone else in this thread mentioned, fantasy worlds need certain words and phrases that are common in real life to have anchors of understanding.
If you change my phrasing to THAT then no wonder nobody would listen. ... people like you actually listen to that, despite how ridiculous it sounds.
Except I haven't listened to that. You are projecting because I am saying that you are wrong and you can't handle that for some reason.
It doesn't fit thematically is my argument. When did Aatrox get ties to Hell to have that in his kit?
Because it's a kit? As in it isn't in his lore? Aatrox doesn't have only 4 abilities in the actual world of Runeterra, we are picking 4 of them to be used in the game. So what's the matter with using that terminology?
Honestly why did you have to bring that up? It's a 6 months old thread or are you really THAT insecure? You just had to mention it to get the last word and "win the argument" on that one? I swear, the only reason people downvote my stuff when i have a different opinion is because of that alone since they can't get over it since they're used to fucking around in Memes & Games where everyone can be a retard equally without serious talk. The truth is too painful for them i guess.
Wrong. I brought it up because I know that if I simply said, no, you're wrong, you take things way too seriously and blow things out of porportion then try to argue on those grounds instead of taking things how they really are, you wouldn't listen. Heck you might ask me for proof. So I skipped a step and mentioned that thread. Also, you are correct, you do have a differing opinion. However you can't say "they can't handle the truth" because then you're implying that your opinion is fact. Which it isn't.
You can't prove me wrong or anything either. If you're gonna turn this into a SG Janna comment thread i'm going to have to report you for harassment since you can't actually necro the actual thread for it's comments being closed and you're basically bringing up off-topic crap from half a year ago.
Not gonna happen. I've already proven you incorrect but you stubbornly refuse to listen to reason. So why on earth would I bother continuing the thread? As I mentioned earlier it was meant to be an example of how you argue and why that doesn't work.
rtbf2256182411 votesTo keep this from becoming a 20 line back and forth pointless argument i'll keep the answers short.
Edit:Not easy.
You haven't even proven anyone wrong yet, you are literally arguing sematics and word choice which shouldn't matter in a fantasy setting. As someone else in this thread mentioned, fantasy worlds need certain words and phrases that are common in real life to have anchors of understanding.
He also brought in irrelevant topics and strayed away from the topic. Or is my title why people downvote?
Fine, i'll rephrase: "Should Aatrox's Passive be renamed due to using a word which (kinda) refers to Hell/Hellish things"?
Except I haven't listened to that. You are projecting because I am saying that you are wrong and you can't handle that for some reason.
I can't handle that? Way to make shit up. I literally used an assumption against you based on how you are personally attacking me by trying to make fun of me using childish examples of how i talk. Doesn't take a psychologist to figure out one like that.
Because it's a kit? As in it isn't in his lore? Aatrox doesn't have only 4 abilities in the actual world of Runeterra, we are picking 4 of them to be used in the game. So what's the matter with using that terminology?
It's not about the ability or how he works in the lore. It's about the term "Hell" used in something that's in his kit. And kits USE THE LORE actually.
Wrong. I brought it up because I know that if I simply said, no, you're wrong, you take things way too seriously and blow things out of porportion then try to argue on those grounds instead of taking things how they really are, you wouldn't listen. Heck you might ask me for proof. So I skipped a step and mentioned that thread. Also, you are correct, you do have a differing opinion. However you can't say "they can't handle the truth" because then you're implying that your opinion is fact. Which it isn't.
But you brought up a sensitive topic for me just to hit a nerve instead because i know that if you had been on the thread, you should know that and not be a douchebag and try to use that against me given i care about Janna and find her thematic completely violated. First with that skin and then the fucking ridiculous "lore" as they call it. I'm not even going to debate that. Too damn tired.
Heck you might ask me for proof. So I skipped a step and mentioned that thread. Also, you are correct, you do have a differing opinion. However you can't say "they can't handle the truth" because then you're implying that your opinion is fact. Which it isn't.
But the fact you brought up the SG Janna thread didn't add anything either. It served as nothing more than a referring point at how 50 people disagreed with me, trying to convince me that i'm wrong. Well no, i still stand by my arguments.
Not gonna happen. I've already proven you incorrect but you stubbornly refuse to listen to reason. So why on earth would I bother continuing the thread? As I mentioned earlier it was meant to be an example of how you argue and why that doesn't work.
Um..ironically, you haven't proven anything either and you can't bring some example that i disagree with as an example to use against me. It serves no purpose.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesOkay, so let's throw all that other stuff out the window and just focus on this thread. And I didn't bring it up to strike a nerve, because you've shown to be quite aloof of other people's opinions I wouldn't have bothered with that tactic.
I brought it up for the reason I stated, nothing more. To make my intentions more clear I apologize because I did strike a nerve. Because quite frankly an argument over semantics isn't worth this kind of grief.
Fine, i'll rephrase: "Should Aatrox's Passive be renamed due to using a word which (kinda) refers to Hell/Hellish things"?
I seriously doubt this is necessary. As the Fields of Justice, which we play in, is no longer canon it won't screw up anything in the lore. You would have a valid platform if Aatrox actually used a spell called this in the actual lore or if Hell was stated as an actual place in the lore.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesthe word hell used in hellbent doesnt refer to a place of the undead.
it refers to covering oneself from being surprised.
trying to explain etymology to someone who doesnt get that english is made up of several languages and that the bible was originally written in hebrew among other things is rather annoying.
beyond that one could easily say that it's not a direct translation. those 2 things alone negate this entire discussion in disfavor of the op
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesI am aware. But OP is a ESL person, so I tried to find a reason other than entomology.
But thanks for the injection of knowledge.
rtbf2256182411 votesI'm not aloof, i just get frustrated when i have to repeat myself to so many people. I'd rather speak on a damn stage at this point.
Because quite frankly an argument over semantics isn't worth this kind of grief.
Not the argument itself. My concept of her that got ruined is.
I seriously doubt this is necessary. As the Fields of Justice, which we play in, is no longer canon it won't screw up anything in the lore. You would have a valid platform if Aatrox actually used a spell called this in the actual lore or if Hell was stated as an actual place in the lore.
The abilities champions use have to match what they can do in the lore at their peak of ability at the very least. Otherwise, i don't even know if we're playing as the champions or playing as a champion + abilities that don't belong to them. It would remove identity.
GreenLore2 votesThe thing is that its been made clear already,that the idea of hell exists on runeterra and that because of that,the word "hellbent" exists as well. And just because the word hellbent is used to describe someone,doesn't mean that the character is related to hell in any way,just like the word is used in real life.
Also in the end Aatrox is pretty much based on a demon.He might not be a demon in the actual lore,but he still resembles the typical demon more than any other champion and is clearly based on one. So the word hellbent was likely used because it fits his thematic the most.
rtbf2256182411 votesYet the argument itself is that it feels forced just to make a thematic pun.
Conjunctive words require basis you see.
GreenLore2 votesYet the argument itself is that it feels forced just to make a thematic pun.
Conjunctive words require basis you see.
No they really don't. The word hellbent is commonly used together with people who have nothing to do with hell(heck you are the one who seemingly wants it to be a pun,because it is only really a pun if he aatrox was related to hell)
rtbf2256182411 votesNo they really don't.
Yes they really do. Otherwise they wouldn't exist. And i am not ever going to believe an explanation like this:
"Uh, so the people of Runeterra just made up a word like "Hel" that means "Gate" in an ancient language. Then they merged it with "bent" and thought to themselves what would a gate-breaching person be like? Well they added 1 letter and uh...y..yeah that's how it happened. Determined af apparently."
Why does it have to have anything to do with Hell itself? I don't care about the context it's used for, i care mostly about the fact that the word itself shouldn't be used this cheaply. It's a bland Passive name that feels artifical as fuck. People didn't make up Hellbent based on history. They put 2 words together. The fact it's used adds Hell into the equation for no reason whatsoever other than running out of ideas. The word itself may not have any use to do with Hell but it's pretty obvious Hell was used to create the word.
GreenLore2 votesYou know that pretty much every word evolved in that way? So we could argue about this for almost every word. For example the word petrify,comes from the latin word petrificare(petra=rock+facere=make) or the french word petrifiere,but do you think it is odd that the word petrify is used for Cassios ability?After all there is no france in Runeterra and latin never existed as well.
rtbf2256182411 votesYeah. They put word together and the words they put them together with had to have a meaning to be put together this way.
For example the word petrify,comes from the latin word petrificare(petra=rock+facere=make) or the french word petrifiere,but do you think it is odd that the word petrify is used for Cassios ability?After all there is no france in Runeterra and latin never existed as well.
Which is why i am using an English word in this argument because everyone on Runeterra seems to speak English.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesumm... hellbent is an adjective that means determined.
rtbf2256182411 votesWhich is formed of Hell+bent. As in how "bent" on anger Hell is. E.g fixed on a course of action - Hell's motives. Relentlessness/visciousness. Example:Bent on buying a new car.
The word isn't made out of thin air.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesthe word hell was made up by humans. what about it? and no. the form of bent you're using is a noun. the form used in conjunction with hell is an adjective. it means determined as hell.
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hell meaning something that is unpleasantly surprising. it's german and comes from hol
EXCLAMATION
used to express annoyance or surprise or for emphasis:
"oh, hell—where will this all end?" · "hell, no, we were all married"
informal
(the hell)
expressing anger, contempt, or disbelief:
"who the hell are you?" · "the hell you are!"
ORIGIN Old English hel, hell, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch hel and German Hölle, from an Indo-European root meaning ‘to cover or hide.’
rtbf2256182411 voteshe word hell was made up by humans. what about it? and no. the form of bent you're using is a noun. the form used in conjunction with hell is an adjective. it means determined as hell.
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hell meaning something that is unpleasantly surprising. it's german and comes from hol
I don't see the point of any of this. This doesn't prove me wrong that the word is derived from Hell's characteristics itself.
used to express annoyance or surprise or for emphasis: "oh, hell—where will this all end?" · "hell, no, we were all married" informal (the hell) expressing anger, contempt, or disbelief: "who the hell are you?" · "the hell you are!"
ORIGIN Old English hel, hell, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch hel and German Hölle, from an Indo-European root meaning ‘to cover or hide.’
Irrelevant. I thought this was about the word "Hellbent" not the word "Hell" itself. What does that have to do with anything?
BLACK REALM GOD2 voteslet me ask 2 questions. what is it that you want to know? do you know anything about etymology?