So...what is the purpose of this Ultimate skin?

rtbf225618241·Mar 6, 2018·142 votes·11,045 views

Like seriously, weren't these supposted to showcase Riot's tech and be somewhat experimental?

MF can transform her suit into 4 chromas. I'm going to assume they'll have separate animations? But you've already pretty much done this to a greater extent with Lux. Where's the 'wow' factor here? Sona could change the in-game music, Lux had her chroma set and Ezreal had unique evolving visuals. Udyr had 4 visually appealing stances on the fly and MF has...4 chromas.

Did you just want to give her a new skin?

This skin has simply no meaning as far as i can tell.

EDIT: Yes, i know it will be priced lower but 5 bucks off is not justifiable. It's essentially a Legendary skin with chroma sets that have minor variations in animations. Hell, Illaoi's actual chromas change her abilities' colours. This skin should be 2400 RP at best for it's lack of originality and i haven't even mentioned the massive clarity issues in-game. Blitzcrank lost his walking animation and i forgot i was watching a MF Special Interactions video mid-way through wondering to myself what this champion's abilities are like.

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LuxannaVeritasMar 6, 201845 votes

I don't think the point of Ultimate skins is to one-up the next one each time.

I think the point of Ultimate skins is to give champions a better-than-normal skin that people will have fun playing as, and that people wouldn't mind paying the RP for.

Yes, Lux has 10 chromas in her Ultimate skin, but she can only choose two (well, three including light) each game. Udyr's stances are dependent on his skills. GGMF's 4 chromas give you more choice, since to our knowledge you can switch freely between each one in base. And since the skin looks freaking AWESOME, I'd say Riot did a great job with this Ultimate skin.

Plus, if you are an ADC main, you've probably been waiting 5-6 years for an new Ultimate skin that you can use often. Not everyone plays Sona, Lux, or Udyr. (Although top mains are still waiting lol)

Finally, none of us have actually seen true in-game footage yet, so we should go into this with open minds. Don't always judge a skin by its cover.

Malicious MetalMar 6, 201852 votes

PULSIFE EZREAL EXISTS.

The one position that had not been covered with an Ultimate skin is top lane.

We got a Mid laner: Lux Jungle: udyr Support: Sona and ADC: Ezreal

This is just a cheap fucking move.

The DreamwalkerMar 6, 201812 votes

Well, just because it exists doesn't mean everyone LIKES Ezreal, Sona, Lux, etc. I, personally, hate Ezreal with a fiery passion. Miss Fortune is my favorite champion.

Also, this isn't that cheap of a move. The "good" candidates for this ultimate skin have all been used up in some shape or form (for top). Riven was made into a Legendary skin, Yasuo was too, Rumble (I believe) was also given one. Teemo has one... I mean, honestly, top lane outshines almost all other lanes with the fact that they have SO many Legendary skins. If they were given an ultimate skin, THAT would be the cheap shot because they have so many quality Legendary skins.

macromiteMar 6, 20188 votes

The last time a toplaner has recieved a legendary was dawnbringer riven. and it was part of a pair. if we ignore dawnbringer riven then we need to wait for mecha zero sion.

Dawnbringer riven was in december of 2017. mecha zero sion was in october 2016.

In the space of time between sion and riven Marksmen recieved 3 legendary skins. since riven marksmen have already recieved 1 additional legendary skin.

Wert the WackyMar 6, 20188 votes

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I don't think the point of Ultimate skins is to one-up the next one each time.

I think the point of Ultimate skins is to give champions a better-than-normal skin that people will have fun playing as, and that people wouldn't mind paying the RP for.

Yes, Lux has 10 chromas in her Ultimate skin, but she can only choose two (well, three including light) each game. Udyr's stances are dependent on his skills. GGMF's 4 chromas give you more choice, since to our knowledge you can switch freely between each one in base. And since the skin looks freaking AWESOME, I'd say Riot did a great job with this Ultimate skin.

Plus, if you are an ADC main, you've probably been waiting 5-6 years for an new Ultimate skin that you can use often. Not everyone plays Sona, Lux, or Udyr. (Although top mains are still waiting lol)

Finally, none of us have actually seen true in-game footage yet, so we should go into this with open minds. Don't always judge a skin by its cover.

Yorick Ultimate skin 2k19

the weeabooMar 6, 201812 votes

It doesn't have to one up another skin. But it should add something badass. Fact is that Luxs skin already did this.

Nintendo 3DSMar 6, 201841 votes

Well i'd rather like to know why they did not went with those concept arts instead (custody of Riot, found on Surrender at 20) and decided to go with that.

They look awesome and more fitting of the ultimate tier. Why scrap them to go with the current one instead ? I'm a bit confused.

TwitchInMyPantsMar 6, 201814 votes

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Well i'd rather like to know why they did not went with those concept arts instead (custody of Riot, found on Surrender at 20) and decided to go with that.

They look awesome and more fitting of the ultimate tier. Why scrap them to go with the current one instead ? I'm a bit confused.

Did you see the Swain concept art for his ability effects and looks?

Riot is great at scrapping good concepts in favor of meh ones

DracosKasuMar 6, 20183 votes

It have nothing to do with the fact they cant make them in-game but more about how they will affect the performance of the game in general.

The range of a low spec pc and high spec pc are quite high in league since it is a free to play game.

TwitchInMyPantsMar 6, 20186 votes

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It have nothing to do with the fact they cant make them in-game but more about how they will affect the performance of the game in general.

The range of a low spec pc and high spec pc are quite high in league since it is a free to play game.

An older version of swain or a less detailed version of the crazy bird demons are not mutually exclusive with low specs

Sure, it won't be as detailed as concept art, but literally nothing in-game is. Every champion splash is an example of that. Riot just has to lower the level of detail to a point where it performs well then if they have time they can figure out how to make the aesthetics better for the lower graphical lever. This is obviously harder with more complicated concepts, but scrapping a concept and reworking a concept are two different things.

Obviously Riot scraps a lot of things for various reasons. Though what baffles me is how many good ideas that would've made players get happy are scrapped and we're almost never given reasons why. If the level of detail was the problem then certainly they have the resources to be able to manage reworking a concept.

FegoneMar 6, 201833 votes

The purpose of this skin is to release an ultimate skin for an adc which is very popular by players and will bring in a lot of cash. Nothing. Else.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 7, 20181 votes

And there's totally nothing wrong with this. This game exists purely to make money. They're going to target the demographic which will make them the most money. It's called capitalism. They'd be stupid to do anything else.

FegoneMar 7, 20181 votes

I didn't say anything is wrong with this, from a business point of view at least. The question was why it was developed , and I answered with the one and only correct answer.

Now aside from the business view, I couldn't list another reason why it was made, which is why the community is partly outraged about it. Which is also totally understandable, and nothing wrong with that either.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 8, 20182 votes

Your post has a lot of upvotes, I'm just leeching on so others see what I said too. There's a lot of posts about how Riot is wrong for doing this and someone else deserves the skin. And while someone else may deserve the skin, Riot is not wrong for doing this

BestJhinUniverseMar 6, 201827 votes

Hold up. This is the 3250 rp skin? Bwhahaha.

At least it wasn't ahri right? Right?!?

TonyTonyMordecaiMar 6, 201813 votes

I think it's worth 2775 rp with just the skin, the bundle to get extra goodies costs 3500 rp

MetaVolcaMar 6, 201821 votes

I think it’s to show how people will still buy it even though they’ll be blatantly ripped off out of $30

Warlord DienekesMar 6, 201821 votes

To make money, one would assume.

91929298DEL1Mar 6, 201813 votes

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ThunderSkelettMar 6, 20183 votes

No players = now Money

and if thei don't have satisfied customers that will happen

91929298DEL1Mar 6, 201815 votes

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ThunderSkelettMar 6, 20183 votes

This is a long term problem. What do you think will happen when a few champs get a ton of skins and others get none for years.

91929298DEL1Mar 6, 201810 votes

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ThunderSkelettMar 6, 20182 votes

Sure we will see

Furor NexisMar 6, 201814 votes

We've only seen the four models and like, a handful of animations. She should be coming out on the PBE later today so people will be able to get a full idea of GGMF then.

OleandervineMar 6, 201811 votes

They're not chromas. The armor plating and guns are completely different across all four forms, and based on their bios, we can assume she's going to have comprehensive particle overhauls based on which form she's in.

YataboMar 6, 20189 votes

My top main friends and I, in reaction to another ADC ult skin, and no top lane ultimate skin:

[sg-ahri-1]

Please join me in a moment of silence.

MuzétMar 6, 20187 votes

As I said on another topic the common point between all the ultimate is the fact that the skin enhanced a fondamental aspect of the character: Ezreal's job (Explorer), Udyr and whatever his connection with animal is, Sona's music talent, Lux's magical abilities, Miss Fortune's job (bounty hunter)

Gun Goddess Miss Fortune is a one-woman weapon of mass destruction and a legendary bounty hunter seeking revenge among a galaxy of thieves.

Late For TeaMar 6, 20187 votes

While this certainly seems to be the case, this doesn't really illustrate the "purpose" of this skin. There are a plethora of champions who's identity can be enhanced through an ultimate or non-ultimate skin.

I always saw Ultimate skins as a way for the art team to show us what they have learned, the innovations they made, a means to experiment with new cool ideas. Ultimate skins should push the boundaries on what is currently possible for skins, so that it may later be applied to other skins. We saw the model-evolution of Ezreal back in Kha'Zix. We saw Sona's unique music back in the star guardian skin line.

This Miss Fortune skin just uses the same concept as Elementalist Lux, but at what appears to be a lower quality. It feels incredibly lazy, and doesn't really add anything to the game like the previous Ultimate skins have.

StarGuardianWeebMar 6, 20187 votes

i like how you just call lux's and MFs a "chroma" set except chromas dont change anything EXCEPT color. these skins change in design, VO, VFX, SFX, and even lines in the case of lux at least. gosh sure would like to know what chromas do that

Ultimate just means "it does something unique" Like you're literal post is bashing MFs looks yet by comparison its insulting udyr and ezreal can even CALL themselves ultimates anymore. Ez just shines pretty colors over the course of the game and UDYR creates ghost animals (they didnt even have unique VOs until riot did a pass on EZ)

Everyone so salty like sheesh, idk any other skin that lets me swap forms anytime, everytime, all the time, each with some uniquness. People just mad cause some underrated champ didnt get it. QQ more lol

rtbf225618241Mar 6, 20183 votes

I never called Lux's forms chromas. They're full set skins for me. Each and every one of them.

The criteria for uniqueness is "It has to be unique for it's time. Something that is untested ground." as was with Ezreal and Udyr both.

As for what chromas do. Resistance Illaoi's abilities are changed by her chromas now so i have every right to call MF's suits chromas unless they change animations AND particle effects for anything else than colours.

Everyone so salty like sheesh, idk any other skin that lets me swap forms anytime, everytime, all the time, each with some uniquness.

The limitless suit-swapping spam is it's unique feature? Why would i swap suits all the time anyway? I'd just choose the one i like the most and use only that.

PhraseMar 6, 20186 votes

The skin in has in fact in every form different VFX!

MetaVolcaMar 6, 201811 votes

Doesn’t Lux’s skin already have different VFX based on the model?

Daedric EtwahlMar 6, 20187 votes

Hell, even DJ Sona does. If these changed VFX don't blow me away then this is a complete waste, in my opinion.

Rune OcarinaMar 6, 20185 votes

Yeah, not sure what they can add particle-wise to MF's basic kit to make up for the one suit but 4 chroma skin. Really disappointed in this, and it's coming out so soon that I doubt Riot will make changes unless they delayed it - which I'd be ok with.

Furor NexisMar 6, 20186 votes

Riot Stellari said there's a reason for the pricing, and that there will be a dev diary coming out today about the details of it.

https://i.imgur.com/RkloaMO.png

YoungFarmerMar 6, 20184 votes

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Riot Stellari said there's a reason for the pricing, and that there will be a dev diary coming out today about the details of it.

https://i.imgur.com/RkloaMO.png

Is it going to cost less? because buying one skin for half the price of a triple A game is a little steep.

Dat KatMar 6, 20186 votes

You guys keep complaining for absolutely pointless reasons. I for one, am in love with the skin concept and can't wait for it to come out. I'm buying my rp from now.

Like, you have absolutely no force in anyway on you to buy the skin.

Don't like it? simply move on.

Mf has been around for years now, I think she's worthy of the ultimate skin.

[sg-miss-fortune]

MelledoneusMar 6, 20188 votes

I mean, I could make a stronger argument for Shen being worthy of an ultimate skin, but eh.

I've given up hope on him getting anything but nerfs at this point.

The Highest NoonMar 7, 20186 votes

Literally just a copy+paste from my Facebook comment on this:

"As someone who has, and has personally explored all it has to offer, it really is just a legendary skin with in-game Chromas. That's not giving it enough credit, though.

The particle effects for each of the different variations are indeed different in ways that match the Exo-suit used. The Exo-suit animations and ultimate animations are also different.

That's where the differences stop, though. The taunts, attacks, and ability cast animations are all identical. There's no different voice-effect for the different suits's AI so the actual difference between the suits are aesthetic--the only way I can really describe it. Different suit designs and different particle designs but that's it. It's cheap, tbh."

It's like they took a Legendary skin, redesigned it a few times, threw it all together and call it an Ultimate skin. There's no real WOW here. Spirit Guard Udyr pushed the idea of a full character upgrade--that's all it really was: same character, updated look. Pulsefire Ezreal explored the idea of a character changing throughout the game, which is something that Elementalist Lux expands upon by giving her overall character and particles changes with each evolution. DJ Sona both expanded on the character and gave you a nice gimmick in changing the in-game BGM that's shared with your teammates. Gun Goddess Miss Fortune is just copied idea.

That said, here's a suggestion. The skin itself isn't bad, it's just cheaply executed. Each Exo-suit should carry it's own story in their gameplay; give you a reason beyond aesthetics to change the suit. There should be different taunts, different dialogue, different voice-overs, different animations for each suit. And it slips my mind so I may be wrong, but isn't the ring for her E ability the same for all skins? The suits need more variety than design and ammunition, and I think those suggestions would get people hyped for it and draw less criticism as an overpriced chroma-set. The skin is called Gun GODDESS for crying out loud. There's nothing very DIVINE about it, in any use of the term.

A personal gripe is in the fact that she has no unique interactions with any Pulsefire or Star Guardian skins. She has reactions for Ekko and Dark Star Thresh tho? [cass-cry]

Ebonmaw DragonMar 7, 20185 votes

https://i.imgur.com/tX08HMg.jpg

HethaleanMar 6, 20184 votes

I mean not to be rude, but calling them '4 different chromas' is kind of disingenuous. She has at least different guns, and a different... uh... bust in each form. The armor also varies slightly in each one as well.

I'll admit that at first glance, they do just look like different chromas, so I feel some improvements could be made on that ground. The armor itself offers way more chances to change it up from armor to armor than is currently being utilized. Also to me, the face doesn't even look like MF. I can just have poor eyes though.

BodhwellMar 6, 20181 votes

I think they said they didn't make the armor change too much to make sure it doesn't look like a completely different champ when she swaps (for teamfight clarity). Looks like the guns do change though.

HethaleanMar 6, 20182 votes

Oh now, ok I didn't read that bit. I can find that a convincing reason though.

Furor NexisMar 6, 20184 votes

Soooo I did some digging. As it turns out, Gun Goddess Miss Fortune was intended to start off as a legendary tier skin. This can be attributed to Riot Stellari's twitter, in which she admits to being the lead on this particular skin.

https://imgur.com/a/fVP1P

Another thing to note is that the BASE PRICE of the skin is 2775 RP. Doesn't it sound weird that an "Ultimate" skin would be cheaper compared to the rest of the skins in the Ultimate tier?

There's also a dev diary coming out later today explaining both the pricing, and why this skin is in the Ultimate tier of skin categories. So hold tight y'all.

FlemmanMar 6, 20183 votes

just gonna hope there is some triger to unlock new suit during the game, not just a be at base and change

UnravelerMar 6, 20183 votes

The skin is not revealed 100% yet... but the thing that makes me unsatisfied is the 5th ultimate skin shouldn't be of any top laner?! I mean We have an ultimate skin for jungle, adc, supp and mid laner... but we dont have one for a top lane :/