Why so many "Evil" alligned champions? I want some more good guys!

Leafie··6 votes·2,227 views

Here are a list of champions by release date!

Aurelion Sol, The guy who thinks begging for mercy is "just adorable." Jhin, who kills for pleasure/because it looks like art and he's really good at it(?) Kindred, the literal embodiment of death itself. Tahm Kench, who makes deals with people and then has a tendancy to eat them afterwards. Ekko, the Vandal from Zaun who's like kind of good? But not really. Bard, the definition of neutral. Rek'Sai, who I have nothing to say about and her allignment is blatantly obvious. Kalista, the literal embodiment of vengeance itself. Azir, who's technically good NOW, but wasn't always. He's still mostly full of himself so whatever. Gnar, who has a knack for going green and hulk-smashing every single thing in front of him. Oops.

And finally, we come to Braum. The last 100% "good" guy to be released.

I'm sad because I really like "good" champions. Champions who are noble and virtuous!

NO, I SAID VIRTUOUS, NOT VIRTUOSO. JHIN, GET OUT OF HERE

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7fIrvwfP3i7 votes

You are generally wrong. A few of those are truely "Rotten" characters, but if we go by D&D logic:

Aurelion Sol: Probably a True Neutral or Neutral Evil. We don't know enough yet. Jhin: Definately a Chaotic Evil. Illaoi: Lawful Neutral. I would not say evil or good, but she certainly holds a sort of strict...belief up. Kindred: Unless you want to talk about the two characters separately, you've got both aspects of death in one "character".

  • Lamb: Lawful Neutral. She literally embodies the merciful and quiet death.
  • Wolf: Chaotic Neutral. He is the fearful wild death, usually to take down those who are long overdue and still refuse to die. Tahm Kench: Lawful Evil. He seems to uphold a certain standard and sophistication, but you can't argue he isn't somewhat evil, he's a demon. Ekko: Chaotic Good, or Chaotic Neutral, however his trailers and character make him seem more Good than anything else, but no respect for Law. **Rek'Sai: **Chaotic Evil. She's literally just primal rage/hunger and monstrosity in a can. Kalista: Chaotic Neutral. She's the spirit of Vengeance, usually for those innocent who were wronged. I would argue she's Good. Azir: Lawful Neutral. Doesn't seem Evil. Just, as you said, "Full of himself." He is an emporer after all. Gnar: Chaotic Furball. Shega Shega! Braum: Neutral Good. He's good natured but has a general lack of Law or Chaos in his design. By that definition, yes, he has been the last "True Good" character.

Even so, Good characters are hard to design because they usually end up being two dimensional. You can give many more motives for doing bad things than doing good things. If you pay attention to character and skin design for champions, some of the most interesting or well thought out designs are the disturbed/shattered characters (Jhin, Omega Squad Teemo, Tahm Kench, Sion, Gangplank). Who doesn't like an Antihero? (Or heroic antagonists?)

Skelenth1 votes

So, how is the relation (approximately) from good guys to bad guys in league? I feel like, especially after last year, we tend to have more evil than good guys in the rift. (I am not used to the lawful-good -> chaotic-evil way of looking at the characters, so I may be misjudging some. I never played D&D)

If we go by origins:

Demacia: The whole thing about Demacia is being the lawful-good guys, but, especially after the Fiora update there are at least a few exceptions. Noxus: Actually the contrary of Demacia, but they have a far wider spectrum, from neutral-evil (Vlad, Swain) to whatever the hell Riven is. Lawful-evil? It's more of perspective thing. Piltover: I don't think recalling anyone who isn't a part of Piltover's law enforcing team (not counting the yordles), so they are either lawful-good (Caitlyn, Jayce) or chaotic-good (Vi) Zhaun: I think Zhaun has the most diversity in champion personas: From Ekko who is somehow chaotic-good or -neutral, to Viktor and Urgot, who are either neutral- or chaotic-evil Freljord: Similar to Zhaun the characters in the Freljord are a pretty colorful bunch, due to the many fractions in the land itself. From Lawful-good (Ashe), to neutral evil (Lissandra), there is pretty much going on there. Bilgewater: I doubt there is anyone in the "good" spectrum in Bilgewater, because they are either pirates, or driven by revenge. (Not counting Fizz & Nami) Ionia: There are three evils in Ionia, if I recall right: Zed (neutral-evil), Syndra and Jhin (I'd say both chaotic-evil) Void: Literally everything is evil. (not counting Kassa) Shurima: Xerath seems to be the only one fitting into the "evil" category, but I would even go so far to call him neutral-chaotic after his ascension. Also Azir is an a-hole... My personal opinion. Celestials: Bard and Kindred (though they are no celestials, but forces of nature, or smth.) are true-neutral, while Soraka seems good-neutral and Aurelion Sol evil-neutral, or just neutral-chaotic. Dunno Shadow Isles: Most are evil, Kalista, Maokai and (maybe) Yorick are neutral I'd say

Others: Can't categorize a roster called others. I'm dumb.

7fIrvwfP3i2 votes

If you are going to generalize a people by D&D terms, then the best way to do so is to understand the terms and how they apply and evolve with characters. Two different characters may have entirely different reasons for being lawful, or evil, or neutral.

The Graph is 9 total alignments

XXX Law --------- Neutral --------- Chaos X Good

Neutral

Evil

I feel these tropes will fit the "Groups" of Runeterra.

Demacia: Almost always Lawful, But never Evil. (Still possible for some Neutral) Noxus: Almost always Evil, But never Good. (They cover a wide range of Chaos and Law, with some Neutral). Ionia: Has the most versatile culture. You have Chaos and Law, Good and Evil. Almost balanced. Zaun: I'd have to say, I can't think of one Lawful Zaunite. The closest is Urgot, but he's more Neutral. Piltover: With the exception of Jinx (Zaunite by birth), the only Chaotic character is Ziggs, who's a professor of Hexplosives. Bandle City: A fairly well rounded town as well. I think Veigar resides here too? I think he's Chaotic Evil. Bilgewater: Kinda well rounded, and quite surprisingly, Gangplank fits Lawful Evil very well. MF is Chaotic Good, so this is fairly rounded too. No surprise though. Shadow Isles: I don't think you will find a Good character here. Lucian doesn't live here, and I think he fits True Neutral best anyways. Shurima: I'd saw it's a Lawful archetype, but then Renekton just smashes that to pieces. Mt. Targon: All of these characters are Lawful. Leona is Good, and Pantheon/Diana are Neutral. Side Characters: If you aren't sure how to judge someone's alignment, ask yourself a few questions.

Do they noticeably enjoy their job? What do they do? Does it have to be done? Do they follow a religion, set of laws, great leader, or historical example? (Lawful) Do they like being alone, do things their way, disregard rules/orders? (Chaotic) Would they act selflessly, for no motive other than because they can? (Good) Do they do things without regard for those who may get hurt? (Evil)

Great examples would be Classic Vampires, they are Lawful Evil. They abide to strict rules (Can't cross rivers, cant enter homes uninvited), and will kill you. A knight might be Lawful Good, but a soldier would be Lawful neutral, with a mercenary being True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral.

As for people saying "Kindred and Kalista aren't THAT evil"..... THEY ARENT EVIL AT ALL. They are literally spirits. One embodies death, and the other is a revenant, a spirit who seeks vengeance on those who wronged it, however she's more like a revenant's patron. She bonds to those who've been betrayed and seeks out those who did them wrong.

Sona Ping1 votes

He's not wrong! How can you sit there and say he's wrong for wanting more good guys because

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I want some more good guys!

He wants more good guys.

And the rest is just plain false. The number of motivations a character can have isn't dependent on where you decide to place someone on some D&D alignment chart.

It's dependent on whether or not you actually have half-decent writing.

7fIrvwfP3i2 votes

I know this, I'm just saying creatively, you are limited in scope as to why a person is "good" to several tropes:

  • Because it's what X person I idolize would do.
  • Because noone else can.
  • Because it's the right thing to do.
  • Because of X, I wouldn't be here. I will do the same as them.

... Theres quite a big list, but the size of the list is infinitely bigger for Neutral and Evil characters simply because a Neutral's reasonings aren't limited to what's good, but also what's bad (without being evil), and evil people might have the same reasonings as either a good or neutral person, with just a skewed viewpoint. For example:

  • A person Idolizes a serial killer, and follows their legacy as a copycat killer.
  • A person does something because nooone else can do it or stop them.
  • A person might think they are doing the world a favor by doing evil things.
  • A person's life was ruined, so they enact bloody vengeance on everything related to that thing, without care or reason to the relation of said thing to victims.

Good characters aren't necessary limited to options, but again it's easier to write a more interesting, less flat (2D) not-so-good character than good one. If you want a list of who I think are well written "Good" characters, take a look at this:

(As much as I will get flamed for mentioning it) Sans, Undertale: Heroic antagonist or supporting character. He's lazy and punny, and until you fight him, you probably will notice very few things about him. Until you do so, he's quiet, always joking. When you fight him, he borders on Nihilist, his depression shows, and you learn that he's very intelligent and wary. He's a deep character that takes a while to figure out.

Mumen Rider, One-Punch Man: Supporting character, Heroic focus: He's the average person, compared to what are pretty much gods fighting in the streets, but he stands up and tries to fight evil anyways. Unlike typical protagonists, though, he understands his weakness and accepts it. He practices, but his main goal is to be the morality and courage the masses need, and in his fight vs one of the monsters, the crowd even cheers him on as he almost gets himself killed. Later on, he's evacuating citizens via bike, exhausted and still recovering. He was one of few people who even supported the main character. There's much more too him, but it's an interesting way to fit a somewhat common character mold.

Bruce Banner, The Incredible Hulk: Reluctant Hero. We all know the story of the Hulk, a man who can transform into a huge monster when angry and fights bad guys, but his original story wasn't so nice. He was turned into the hulk developing what was supposed to be the Gamma bomb, which was supposed to cover large areas with high power fallout. He accidentally hospitalizes his love, and goes out to kill many soldiers who tried to stop him. Other universes have the same character eventually work as a loan shark in vegas, breaking legs and homes for a casino. However, each of the hulks iterations are all focused on repentance and regret, trying to do good by people for the wrongdoing he accidentally caused or causes.

Anyways, it's like 8 AM, my boyfriends gonna take me to a movie in 8 hours and I need to try to sleep some of it. See you guys.

alasarcher3 votes

Kindred is not evil. Why would u call Kindred evil? Death is not evil.

U have strange view of evil. Kalista is neither good nor evil. Gnar isnt evil, he is aggressive by nature.

DragonShea2 votes

Aurelion Sol, Total bad guy. Kindred, A fucking sociopath and psychopath spirit-combo that think they are the embodiment of death. Jhin, murderous artist. Tahm Kench Fat bastard that eats distraught people.

The rest you can scratch as they are not truly evil. But you have a good point.

Dreamspitter2 votes

Think they're death?

DrCyanide2 votes

Yeah, this is something my wife's particularly disappointed about with the new champion. She loves astronomy and everything star related, but doesn't like playing evil characters.

Ralanr2 votes

Kindred is neutral.

Ekko is a good guy, he's trying to clean up Zuan.

More good guys would be nice, but we need villains now and then.

GreenLore2 votes

The thing is that people are very rarely 100% good. Even good characters have their flaws,but that doesn't make them evil.

Ekko might be a street punk,but he is far from a bad person. I mean look at the comic,he went back in time over a hundred times just because he hoped he could be fast enough to rescue ajuna. And when he ran out of retries,he chose not to kill ajunas killer,but to be at ajunas side in his last moments. Later on when he fights the zaunite thug,he reverts time because he doesn't want the memorial to be destroyed,even though he risks his life while doing so.

Bard seems more to be lawful good,but in a strict way.He protects the world from evil,which is a good thing,but he doesn't do anything else,which is fine in its own way,because who is bard to judge human morality?Not to mention that his job is so important that he should focus all of his attention to it.

azir might be quite full of himself,but that doesn't mean he isn't good. Being good isn't the same as being nice. During his lifetime Azir was a benelovent ruler,he abolished the slavery and geniunly wanted the best for his people and nation

And you make it sound like gnar is a ticking time bomb.Yes he has his anger problems,but does that make him evil?I mean there is a reason why the hulk is often seen as a good guy.

Also some of the champs you listed here aren't evil,merely neutral. Kindred is death,which treats everyone the same and is simply a part of nature Rek'sai is a beast,she isn't more evil than a lion or any other animal Illaoi is strict and her test might kill you,but she does it trying to help you.its the sort of "sink or swim"-help Kalista is also rather neutral,she is more like a weapon,you can make a pact with her if you choose to and then she helps you,thats all.

Dreamspitter2 votes

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Here are a list of champions by release date!

Aurelion Sol, The guy who thinks begging for mercy is "just adorable." Jhin, who kills for pleasure/because it looks like art and he's really good at it(?) Kindred, the literal embodiment of death itself. Tahm Kench, who makes deals with people and then has a tendancy to eat them afterwards. Ekko, the Vandal from Zaun who's like kind of good? But not really. Bard, the definition of neutral. Rek'Sai, who I have nothing to say about and her allignment is blatantly obvious. Kalista, the literal embodiment of vengeance itself. Azir, who's technically good NOW, but wasn't always. He's still mostly full of himself so whatever. Gnar, who has a knack for going green and hulk-smashing every single thing in front of him. Oops.

And finally, we come to Braum. The last 100% "good" guy to be released.

I'm sad because I really like "good" champions. Champions who are noble and virtuous!

NO, I SAID VIRTUOUS, NOT VIRTUOSO. JHIN, GET OUT OF HERE

Death is not Evil.

Ekko seems Chaotic Good.

Gnar is a small child.

Out of the Norv1 votes

To me it doesn't matter as long as they are a total badass

Gentzer1 votes

I dunno If Aurelion Sol is evil more...condescending.

He's virtually godlike, and so far it just seems like he's rubbing it in a bit.

Also Kindred and Kalista aren't that evil.

135791 votes

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Ironclad Dragon1 votes

So, "evil" is defined as anyone remotely flawed or disagreeable? Apparently the grim reaper is evil, a street kid from a rough town is evil, and a child is evil.

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