It's 2015 and Riot still didn't fix the size of its champions

Macilento··39 votes·6,192 views

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hClJZIy1e_o/VE8tvECHpOI/AAAAAAAAbn0/arQAJ1w0mLE/s1600/naatt.jpg Dear Riot, sometime ago you reworked the good old Sion. He is really awsome now and JEEEZUS IS HE BIG. I belive he is the biggest tank around (exept maybe zac full Hp or Cho Gath 6 staks lvl 16) but this is a good thing. He is really intimidating and a colossus as he should be.

That would be fine if the other champs that should be big if not BIGGER then him are just tiny in comparison.

One above the other is Nautilus Nautilus - Man he should be a titan of the depths, something incredibly big and powerful, and he is much smaller then Sion. In the cinematic he is freaking GIGANTiC.

There are others who should be bigger of course. Like ZIlean is abysmally small for being a male character.

In general, i feel like tanks should be on the same size as Sion more or less, and some other champions need some scaling up or down. It's a matter of consistency riot.

Also why this wasn't already done? i mean it should be a pretty quick work to scale up or down some models.


LIST OF CHAMPION THAT NEED SCALING (tell me if i miss someone and i will add it)

• Malphite Malphite need a BIG scale UP in size. as you see in his splash art and general theme, he should be probably the biggest champion in league. Put him on sion size at least

• Shyvana Shyvana Dragon form should be a bit more bigger. ITS A FREAKING DRAGON RIOT

• Zilean Zilean is so damn tiny for whatever reason. Fix him up please.

• Nunu Should probably be little bit bigger

• Fiddlesticks Too tiny

• Nautilus Same case as Malphite shouls be Big as sion if not bigger

• Chogath At the start of the game he is so tiny... Fix him pls

• Sona Still too small

• Kayle Too small for no reason. Really small

• Morgana Same as Kayle. No reason

• Rumble without his mecha-suit he is abismally small. Fix pls

Mordekaiser Dont even get me started..

71 Comments

TheHobbits32 votes

"Chogath At the start of the game he is so tiny... Fix him pls"

Thats the point. He is a tiny little baby void-linger, but if you promise to feed him and look after him he will grow up to be a GIANT MOTHER F*ING MONSTER OF DESTRUCTION!

But yes to all the other ones you mentioned.

MetalGearTeemu4 votes

you may be a lil bitty tyranid cho, but if you eat well you'll grow up to be a big scary Carnifex.

Vi and Cupcait1 votes

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you may be a itty bitty tyranid cho, but if you eat well you'll grow up to be a big scary Carnifex.

fixed

Dreamspitter3 votes

Hive Tyrant?

Meep Man10 votes

How Sizes Should Be:

Titanic Size 25'1"+ These guys are huge. They are so big, they should make yordles seem like flees. Zac's size varies, but Im basing this off maximum size here. Cho'Gath can get really big and Zac is huge. Malphite is just huge off the bat, although I like the idea of him scaling with armor. Chogath Malphite Zac Very Large Size 12'1"-25'0" Slightly below Titanic, these guys are still huge, but not quite "Attack on Titan" killer huge. No human and most other animals could possibly be this big without serious biological work or being very old/prehistoric since all things back in the day were typically very big. They could also be increased in size due to what they are wearing in Nautilus' case, although Im pretty sure he was modified to some extent since he is larger than an anchor. Gnar (Mega) Maokai Nasus (during ultimate) Nautilus Renekton (during ultimate) Shyvana (during ultimate) Large Size 7'6"-12'0" The large bunch of normal. They are not anything super out of the ordinary, but are notably big. The lists begin to get larger here. Only very large humans are this size still however, such as huge juggernauts and I'm not talking about the reworked category. Aatrox Alistar Anivia Bard Blitzcrank DrMundo Galio Gragas Hecarim KogMaw Lissandra Nasus Nunu RekSai Renekton Rumble (with suit) Sejuani Skarner Sion TahmKench Trundle Velkoz Volibear Above Average 6'3"-7'5" These will typically be humans that are slightly taller. These begin to get more realistic, real life sizes. Most will be warriors here, with the rest usually being empowered humans by some sort of power, for example. A special note on Azir to say that he is only a newborn as far as Ascended beings go and I don't think Xerath is fully ascended since he kind of got into Azir's ascension process halfway through, probably not getting the full package. Plus, Xerath is confined by his coffin prison. Azir Brand Braum Darius Elise (Spider Form) Gangplank Garen JarvanIV Jayce Karthus Kayle Khazix LeeSin Leona Malzahar Mordekaiser Nami Olaf Pantheon Rengar Riven Sejuani (w/o boar) Shen Shyvana Singed Soraka Swain (Bird Form) Syndra Taric Thresh Tryndamere Udyr Urgot Vi Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Average 5'1"-6'2" Your day to day normally sized champions. Not too tall and dont need to be. Ahri Akali Ashe Caitlyn Cassiopeia Diana Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Graves Irelia Janna Jax Jinx Kalista Karma Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lucian Lux MasterYi MissFortune Morgana Nidalee Nocturne Orianna Quinn Ryze Shaco Sivir Sona Swain Talon TwistedFate Varus Vayne Viktor Vladimir Yasuo Yorick Zed Zilean Zyra Small 2'0"-5'0" These are where small animals and yordles usually come into the mix. Almost no humans are here, basically only children. Amumu Annie Corki Fizz Heimerdinger Kennen Lulu Nunu (No Yeti) Poppy Rammus Teemo Tristana Twitch Veigar Ziggs Very Small 1'0"-1'11" These are the smallest champions in the game. They are either very young already small creatures or have said to be extremely small for their kind. I debated putting Veigar here, but I don't think he is this small even if he is the Tiny Master of Evil. Gnar (Mini) Rumble (w/o suit)

Macilento1 votes

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How Sizes Should Be:

Titanic Size These guys are huge. They are so big, they should make yordles seem like flees. Chogath Malphite Zac Very Large Size Slightly below Titanic, these guys are still huge, but not quite "Attack on Titan" killer huge. No human and most other animals could possibly be this big without serious biological work or being very old/prehistoric since all things back in the day were typically very big. They could also be increased in size due to what they are wearing. Gnar (Mega) Maokai Nasus (during ultimate) Nautilus Renekton (during ultimate) Shyvana (during ultimate) Large Size The large bunch of normal. They are not anything super out of the ordinary, but are notably big. The lists begin to get larger here. Only very large humans are this size still however, such as huge juggernauts and I'm not talking about the reworked category. Aatrox Alistar Anivia Bard Blitzcrank DrMundo Galio Gragas Hecarim KogMaw Lissandra Nasus Nunu RekSai Renekton Rumble (with suit) Sejuani Skarner Sion TahmKench Trundle Velkoz Volibear Above Average These will typically be humans that are slightly taller. These begin to get more realistic, real life sizes, with the max usually being about 7'0". Most will be warriors here, with the rest usually being empowered humans by some sort of power. Azir Brand Braum Darius Elise (Spider Form) Gangplank Garen JarvanIV Jayce Karthus Kayle Khazix LeeSin Leona Malzahar Mordekaiser Nami Olaf Pantheon Rengar Riven Shen Shyvana Singed Soraka Swain (Bird Form) Syndra Taric Thresh Tryndamere Udyr Urgot Vi Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Average Your day to day normally sized champions. Not too tall and dont need to be. Ahri Akali Ashe Caitlyn Cassiopeia Diana Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Graves Irelia Janna Jax Jinx Kalista Karma Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lucian Lux MasterYi MissFortune Morgana Nidalee Nocturne Orianna Quinn Ryze Shaco Sivir Sona Swain Talon TwistedFate Varus Vayne Viktor Vladimir Yasuo Yorick Zed Zilean Zyra Small These are where small animals and yordles usually come into the mix. Almost no humans are here, basically only children. Amumu Annie Corki Fizz Heimerdinger Kennen Lulu Nunu (No Yeti) Poppy Rammus Teemo Tristana Twitch Veigar Ziggs Very Small These are the smallest champions in the game. They are either very young already small creatures or have said to be extremely small for their kind. I debated putting Veigar here, but I don't think he is this small even if he is the Tiny Master of Evil. Gnar (Mini) Rumble (w/o suit)

Pretty much agree 100%, jsut a few thing: Nautilus SHould be in the first category the titanic ones. HE IS ENORMOUS and maybe zac is just very very large but not as big as a titan

Meep Man1 votes

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Pretty much agree 100%, jsut a few thing: Nautilus SHould be in the first category the titanic ones. HE IS ENORMOUS and maybe zac is just very very large but not as big as a titan

While I would agree with Nautilus with you on this one, based on the cinematic, he is about double the size of Ahri plus some. I noticed you saw this before I added something to Titanic tier and thats that I am basing it off of max size. Since Zac technically is only limited by the amount of goop there is, he can become absurdly big, although he is definitely, on average, the smallest of the three there. I just put him there since his size isn't limited and can therefore be ginormous.

Nautoday3 votes

If you think he is only a little over double the size of Ahri, then you must be crazy. Graves is like the size of his foot...

James Stone1 votes

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#Nautilus, TITAN of the Depths

http://pre13.deviantart.net/da0a/th/pre/i/2014/203/3/4/ahri_vs_nautilus_lol_wallpaper_by_77silentcrow-d7rrnaz.png

While that does look awesome, does that mean whomever country sent Nautilus on an expedition essentially invented Power Armor and doesn't know it yet? Because that's supposed to be a diving suit where a normal human can go inside

doombotMECHA4 votes

also, braum should definently be the tallest human champ.

LordGeovanni1 votes

tie with armored garen and armored Darius and his muscles as big as thier armor

LordGeovanni1 votes

trundle has a size altering ult too.

DwarvenGiant8 votes

I assume that you didn't see this?

The Champion Update Team

  • Champion Update works on existing characters in the game that need more work than just balance adjustments. That work ranges from full overhauls like Sion, to visual only updates like Karthus, to smaller projects like Ashe or Maokai's changes a while back.
  • Recent examples of Champion Update's work include the Gangplank update, the Juggernaut changes and Fiora's update.
  • Champion update's got a few different things going on at the moment. One part of the team's just finished some balance follow up work on the juggernauts from the 5.16 patch (teams own balance on content they create for a couple of patches post launch on average, before the Live Gameplay team takes over). Those folks will be pretty focused on some work for the preseason period now. Another part of the team by contrast's working on bigger, longer term reworks (Poppy, and some exploration into which other full scale relaunch might follow her). Finally Champ Up's also looking into doing a sizing pass on a number of champions, which would involve shrinking champions that are inappropriately large (e.g. Tristana) and increasing the size of champions that are inappropriately small (e.g. Malphite).
Macilento2 votes

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I assume that you didn't see this?

Yeah i acutally didn't saw that Good thing they akowledge the problem at least. But this should be already done long ago honestly

SeductiveGrandpa1 votes

They work on alot of things at once, I mean look how long it took for us to get Yi's Scaling Dance Speed Gif But really, be patient, they gotta work on a bunch of things, because every moment fans are screaming for new things, skins, reworks, champs, and other stuff.

doombotMECHA1 votes

I mean that took like 2 patch cycles, prolly just because they wanted to make sure it didn't crash the game or something like that safety first, you know? Riot's been moving relatively quickly lately and I really like it. I'm not about to wish for faster.

BetaDude407 votes

{quoted} • Rumble without his mecha-suit he is abismally small. Fix pls

Well, he is a yordle. Yordles aren't really known for their stature.

Macilento4 votes

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Well, he is a yordle. Yordles aren't really known for their stature.

Have you tried to compare him (withotu suit) to other yordles?

Sozan57 votes

Even amongst yordles, Rumble was always the runt of the litter.

Literally first sentence in his lore. He is supposed to be very small.

Sinlaire1 votes

on the flip side. anyone seen Zyra in game? she's an absolute monolith. my brother played her one game and she is almost as tall as Sion. Which i say because she was standing next to me who was playing sion. she came up to his chin. I bet she's as tall as Lissandra or taller and SHE's riding on crystals for god sakes.

its one thing to be a plant woman but its another to be part redwood.

Azteryz2 votes

riot has stated they wanna fix the sizes of champs like making malph bigger and yordles smaller like trist

doombotMECHA1 votes

I could definently get behind smoller yordles.

Meep Man3 votes

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Well, he is a yordle. Yordles aren't really known for their stature.

Rumble is supposed to be the runt of his litter, so small even yordles picked on him for his size, so about 1'9" is where he should be.

The Soulforged2 votes

Even small yordles should be around 3 feet considering trist model. I'd say Rumble being around 2'6" should be appropriate.

Meep Man1 votes

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Even small yordles should be around 3 feet considering trist model. I'd say Rumble being around 2'6" should be appropriate.

I thought I saw somewhere the max height a yordle gets is around 3'2" or so. So, a small runt should be about 2'0" I would guess.

HentRex6 votes

I believe some champs size's should scale off their armor, I.E. Taric, Malph, Rammus. Or Galio scaling off MR. I mean these are all front line champs so why not.

P.S. Taric is Smaller than some yordles

Dreamspitter1 votes

Huh?

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I believe some champs size's should scale off their armor, I.E. Taric, Malph, Rammus. Or Galio scaling off MR. I mean these are all front line champs so why not.

P.S. Taric is Smaller than some yordles

Huh?

HentRex2 votes

Armor of the Fifth Age Taric looks smaller than UFO Corki.

Lintu Puck4 votes

the thing is models need a base size limit or problems are run into, which I hear is part of the reason the dragon Ao Shin is taking so long to come out.

Malphite - He is an OLD model that does need work, both visually and MAYBE a bit in mechanics (granted I find it funny when I am winning a slapping match against a Nasus),

Shyvana - HALF Dragon. So of course she will be smaller then the average adult dragon.

Zilean - Old Model, AND an Old Man. Old people tend to be short.

Nunu - Nunu is a child. As for the Yeti....or don't exactly have anything in-universe to compare him to, so a current model that is as tall as the average human male character is alright for now until he gets a rework.

Fiddlesticks - a Scarecrow. Not meant to be big, just spooky.

Nautilus - Naut is still pretty big compared to other characters, but if he currently feels to small for you, get a item 3053 or an item 2138

Chogath - it's kind of a thematic mechanic. Both visually and statistically rewarding players for effectively using his ult, and a visual warning to the enemy that they f'ed up by letting him eat.

Sona Kayle Morgana - The average woman is smaller then the average male, plus these 3 have lots of stuff flowing off of them (Sona's ribbons and dress, and the wings Kayle and Morgana have) that take up model size.

Rumble - runt of a Yordel that needs to fit inside the big model of his mech.

Mordekaiser - same points as Malphite, Nunu, and Nautilus.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Yeti should be taller than avg human male just like trundle the troll trundle should actually be in the second largest group and in the largest when he ults or slightly smaller than full stack cho but larger than what he was

yay nibbers4 votes

Tristana is bigger than Aether Wing Kayle (probably regular Kayle as well)

Just sayin' http://i.imgur.com/DTvIV91.jpg

edit: bonus image http://puu.sh/ffJoX/e4a6c7a037.jpg

Senteth1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ggAtRXwk,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2015-09-25T14:08:58.016+0000) http://i.imgur.com/DTvIV91.jpg

lol, lil fairy!

The Soulforged1 votes

Why did they make the new trist model so huge!

Meteor Driz3 votes

As a short person I say make the tanks bigger but leave the short people alone we want none of your tallness.

Merxamers2 votes

has anyone ever really looked at MasterYi 's model in game? It's actually pretty dang huge; could probably be shrunk a bit

Francisco Pires2 votes

Zed's model is very tall, for some reason. compare him to other human characters, looks like he's 2.5 meters tall

doombotMECHA1 votes

nah he's using shadow magic to make himself look taller. irl he's like 5ft....in platform soles

Adrian Blackbear2 votes

They're working on it for the pre-season.

"Finally Champ Up's also looking into doing a sizing pass on a number of champions, which would involve shrinking champions that are inappropriately large (e.g. Tristana) and increasing the size of champions that are inappropriately small (e.g. Malphite)."

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Snake Town2 votes

Think about the implications of these changes would have first.

Fiddlesticks Sona Morgana Kayle Zilean are all very squishy characters. Do you really want to give them bigger hitboxes to absorb more skillshots?

It might be beneficial for some of the other tankier characters like Nunu Nautilus Malphite ect. to have bigger hitboxes, but this would still have impact on the game beyond just visual aspects.

I'm not saying to completly throw different size scalings out the window, but its something to be considered.

Trylobyte1 votes
  • Maybe Kayle and Morgana's race is just short. Not yordle-short, but shorter than humans. I mean, it would help them fly if they have less mass to move around.
  • Rumble is stated to be a runt, so he's supposed to be tiny for a yordle.
  • Despite his depiction as enormous. Nautilus is just a guy in a diving suit. I'm not sure where he got so big from.
The Soulforged1 votes

Rumble is supposed to be a runt, so I'd say keep him at his current size unless they do a VU for him or something.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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• Shyvana Shyvana Dragon form should be a bit more bigger. ITS A FREAKING DRAGON RIOT

She is a HALF dragon, a weakling impure blood, abomination of the nature, blame her human mother for being small.

Sukishoo1 votes

Time. Everything takes time.

TheFancySkeleton1 votes

Darius is quite short too.

DEmperor951 votes

I read a Rioter said something along the lines of Soon(TM), they'll change champion sizes.

So it won't stay like that for long I guess.

Macilento1 votes

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I read a Rioter said something along the lines of Soon(TM), they'll change champion sizes.

So it won't stay like that for long I guess.

Yeah i saw that too, hopefully our prayers were listened

Neo Cyrus1 votes

You should see Aether Wing Kayle stand next Tristana. As in have Kayle do her dance so she goes to the ground and they stand next to to each other at the same level. It's hilarious.

Morgra1 votes

Have you seen how big Tristana model is? She's the SAME SIZE as Ashe ! I thought Tristana was an average sized yordle, not a giant >.>

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

The only champion I look at and think "he should be way bigger" is malphite. Nautilus seems pretty large feeling in game to me

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