The Dual Names

CylaxK2·Sep 13, 2018·4 votes·4,973 views

So after the rework Nunus name was changed into Nunu & Willump What about Kayn? Will it get changed to Kayn & Rhaast? Just Curious.

17 Comments

KestrelGirlSep 13, 20185 votes

Quinn and Valor first.

CylaxK2Sep 13, 20181 votes

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Quinn and Valor first.

Almost forgot about them xd

QuephaSep 13, 20184 votes

Maybe if Quinn gets a total gameplay update so she feels like something more than an adc with some bird-shaped spell particles.

CylaxK2Sep 13, 20181 votes

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Maybe if Quinn gets a total gameplay update so she feels like something more than an adc with some bird-shaped spell particles.

I heard something of a Quinn rework but it is far away so yeah.

OleandervineSep 13, 20181 votes

Actually, it probably isn't as far as you think. She's listed as a tier 1 because apparently they are displeased with her fantasy and gameplay both.

EvilUnicornLordSep 13, 20181 votes

Yes, please make her an ADC.

Toplane and Jungle Quinn is the absolute worst.

Valor BotSep 13, 20181 votes

I'd be alright with Quinn turning into an ADC if they made her a melee-hybrid again. I thought that was a really interesting niche for her as a Marksman that simply failed due to a poor execution.

EvilUnicornLordSep 13, 20181 votes

I thought the "Valor replaces Quinn" mechanic was kind of dumb thematically (she was reworked before I got to really face up against her so I don't have an opinion on old Quinn gameplay-wise).

If they bring back a melee attack, it should probably still be Quinn doing the attacking. She'd be a pretty poor ranger to not pack a sword or an axe along with her crossbow. No idea how it'd remain faithful to her kit, though.

Valor BotSep 13, 20189 votes

"but valor's just a pet bird lol, why would he be in quinn's na-"

https://i.imgur.com/5it7UzK.png"

"doesn't matter, he can't talk or communicate with quinn like nunu & willump ca-"

https://i.imgur.com/Tcw2nIk.png"

"still, he's just a bird. it's not like he would be able to put up a fight or anythi-"

https://i.imgur.com/rpfTaFX.png"

"W-WELL... QUINN HAS ALWAYS DONE ALL THE WORK IN GAME ANYW-"

https://i.imgur.com/zLov5u3.png"

"YOU KNOW WHAT. VALOR SMELLS"

https://i.imgur.com/V5eRswz.png"

OleandervineSep 13, 20182 votes

To your points, in your "talking" section, the bird just screeched, and Quinn took that as communication. She's nuts, so I don't think we can exactly trust her communications with her bird as being completely sane.

Valor BotSep 13, 20181 votes

I really don't think clinical insanity is the story Riot's trying to tell with Quinn as a champion.

OleandervineSep 13, 20181 votes

It might not be, but a girl who loses her twin brother, and then forms an equally intense bond with a bird, and communicates with said bird as if it could talk to her as a normal person is a pretty solid case for clinical insanity...

Valor BotSep 13, 20181 votes

I think in our world she'd definitely get written off as a bit nutty :-) In a fantasy setting like Runeterra though, there can be a myriad of reasons why they're able to communicate. Here's something to munch on:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/61tf1z/ama_were_the_rioters_behind_demacias_stories_and/dfh51mh/

ZapzyaSep 13, 20181 votes

I mean, if you have a pet, you can get a general idea of what kind of noise they're making at you. I have a cat, and I can tell what it kind of meow it makes, whether it wants food or attention (body language also plays a part).

I also assume she is just imagining what Valor is saying as well, projecting her own thoughts onto the bird. That doesn't mean she insane though, she can be aware that Valor doesn't actually think that. I also talk at my cat in a less serious but similar manner for fun. In fact, most of my family who are around cats do this. I would guess most people with cats do this.

Valor BotSep 13, 20181 votes

I also talk at my cat in a less serious but similar manner for fun. In fact, most of my family who are around cats do this. I would guess most people with cats do this.

I do this with my cat too. Though judging by Rioter comments it would in fact seem that Quinn just intuitively understands what Valor is saying.

TerozuSep 14, 20181 votes

The reason you can tell what your cat wants when it meows is the same reason a dog does tricks. It trained you.

mrmeddymanSep 14, 20183 votes

Ok lets put an end to these threads once and for all.

Using Nunu and Willump as a template we can see that there are certain criteria that need to be met to assume the legendary mantle of dual-name eligibility. (because we of course can't just internally on a person by person case decide that two champions make up a greater whole and call it a day, no we need Riot to shove giant unwieldy names everywhere in the client in 14pt font to make that assertion)

1.) Both characters must be sentient or at least sapient and be able to on some level communicate with each other (No Jhin and Whisper, yes I've seriously seen this idea proposed)

Nunu and Willump are friends that can talk to each other. NUNU PASS

2.) Both characters must contribute equally to skills and/ or passive(No Tibbers, No Daisy, No Lady of the Mist that's only ONE ability)

Nunu plays the song on the passive and throws the E snowballs. Willump uses his Q consume, rolls the W giant snowball. They both share the R. That's perfect 50-50 split boys but of course there can be allowed a 60-40 leeway in some cases. This is why people complain about Kindred feeling like Lamb with a Wolf pet following her about. Luckily that champ is named Kindred or we'd see RENAME LAMB AND WOLF TO LAMB XD threads every week for years to come. NUNU PASS

3.) Both character must contribute to the story of that character equally so that one does not feel like the main character while the other is a sidekick. Either in the long form lore we nerds get excited about or in the "gameplay fantasy" that Riot tries to express to players that just read the short blurb (this is where Kayn and Rhaast falls apart as it is very much Kayns' story and Rhaast is more a major obstacle he must overcome)

Nunu and Willumps' bio is actually split into three parts Nunus' origin Willumps' origin and then a third part explaining there goals and state in the world now that they are friends. NUNU PASS

And this is probably the biggest one

4.) Both character must be onscreen under some influence of player control 100% percent of the time. (RIP Kled and Skarrl)

As you can see Quinn and Valor pass the first three (they communicate, share a good deal of ability workload and feature as a pair heavily in the bio) but fail the last one. If you are not moving both champs attacking with both champs and having both champs respond to you at all times than you are embodying the one that moves when you click and the other is a friendly helper. At this point for the sake of brevity we can just name the champ whichever one has the MOST agency and call it a day.

If Quinn gets a VGU where Valor is on her shoulder at all times and isn't just a visual effect marking targets or a jetpack attachment when you R than she will be eligible FOR fanfare DUAL NAME STATUS and then I will have all of you to thank for contributing to my early onset glaucoma everytime I ~~look~~ squint through her skins.

In summary, shes close but more importantly IT DONT MATTER STAHP MAKING THESE THREADS REEEEEE

[slayer-jinx-wink]