@Players, What Do We Expect/Think of Riot's Story Department?

Impetual·6/10/2015, 10:25:54 AM·14 votes·1,199 views

Let's discuss what our reasonable expectations for LoL's Story department should be.

Personally, I don't like the retcon and all of the cool stuff that was removed from the lore.

At the same time, I don't feel like the new lore has legs to stand on. It feels like it is leeching off the old lore too much. It clearly isn't its own thing, while feebly trying to be and failing pretty hard.

The new lore feels like a cheap bandaid. It temporarily makes shoddy changes to help transition from the old lore to the new without any dedicated attempt at offering a cohesive narrative or compelling character development to explain the changes.

If we have to pretend the old lore is cannon except where the new lore says it isn't...well...that's pretty messy and stupid...and It makes it feel like Riot just doesn't care about it's lore anymore and has decided to half-ass it.

Seriously...Jax...it's been months...still doesn't make sense anymore.

That's just my opinion.

Let's hear from everyone what they expect/ think of Riot's story department.

21 Comments

Nybx4life6/10/2015, 9:44:50 PM9 votes

What I think: -Riot has seriously dropped the ball since the Frejlord event, which pre-dated the retcon announcement if I recall correctly. Changing characters wholesale (Trundle), adding characters that have little impact to the world (Lissandra and Shurima champs) despite their perceived power (seriously, a kingdom rises from the sand and not a damn thing you can build from that!?). -Many new champs feel as if their lore isn't thought through, and some reworked champs don't feel any "better" for doing so (Trist's voice update sounds cool, but loses almost everything else imo) -The game, in terms of writing, has become little better than a poor attempt at making a MOBA variant of Smash Bros (which it failed to do by a large margin)

What I expected: -Since the retcon, I assumed there would be periodic updates as to what's happening in the lore. Rioters would come in and field many questions, from the major hiccups to minor thoughts, and give the community things to talk about.

-While Riot has started this, I assumed since the release of Spirit Udyr's comic that there could be regular releases of lore through alternative methods, while not forgetting the damn lore text in-client and the website.

-I expected a cohesion of story and game, which was what existed before the retcon. No summoners nor League of Legends? Fine. But give me a damn reason why there's a map called "Summoner's Rift" which warps champions inside. Give me a reason why hated rivals wouldn't go at each other's throats if they were on the same team.

What I want: -Champions that have good lore releases like Braum, or in the case of champion re-releases, Sion. They don't need Legend of Korra-esque quality animations to promote them that gives more questions than answers. It needs good writing, plain and simple. -To add up on that, that writing needs to be seen. I've seen snippets on what Azir's full lore would look like, but I don't think it counts if it hasn't been placed on the client or the website. Why do I have to dig through forums for stuff like that? Why do I need to look at outside sources to find it? I shouldn't have to, and it looks bad when you have such content on hand that you can't release properly.

-Regular updates. I'm patient. If you have something big you want to hold on to, I don't need to see it until it's done. Just don't expect me to twiddle my thumbs with nothing to look at. Provide some bits and pieces of lore when you can; Talk about the items used in-game and the story behind their creation, maybe talk about the possible lore behind each champion skin (I keep hearing about skin lore, so if that's a thing, I'd like to see it. If not, it's something to look at imo), or anything else that shows the world of Runeterra is growing.

-Communication. The sticky at the top of the page is months old, asking about what champs people want to see more and know more about. There's been bits of discussion here and there from them, and a bit has been productive. But the long periods of silence has to end. I don't think it's part of the job description as a member of Lore (or is it "Narrative"?) to put in hours on the forums here, but it helps keeps us interested in what's going on. If that can return, that would be great.

BetaDude406/10/2015, 12:52:25 PM8 votes

If they would just at least freaking SAY something as to why they cannot write effective lore anymore, I would be at most 40% satisfied. If we knew that the only person working on lore was a quadriplegic half-blind mailman from Serbia who speaks very little English (just an example), then we'd at least have a reasoning for why there wasn't much lore, and we could at the very least try to understand them on that. It certainly wouldn't solve the lore issues or excuse their horrid mistakes from the past (Skarner, Rammus, Trundle, ect.), but we could know why there wasn't as much lore, and some people might simmer down just a bit.

As it stands, the only thing preventing them is a "technical issue" that has apparently been going on for the past 9, nearly 10 months, which prevents them from putting text into the client. (Which is bullshit; if you can code this entire game, it shouldn't be hard to basically make a text document and display it when needed. Not fucking hard)

Sneak Dog6/10/2015, 12:54:40 PM8 votes

In order, my issues are:

Characters seem to carry no weight for narrative. They're tools to make great stories and are to be changed to fit the story. I woke up one day to find one of my favorite champions gone. We're supposed to play champions in-game and want to know what they are like, but what they are like might just be changed entirely at any point in time.

Jaredan seems to want to communicate, then only hops on when there's new lore, talks a bit about this new lore and how he wants more lore to come out just like us, then leaves. He does not talk about writing philosophies, the retcon and how it'll proceed, or other things that do not require any lore to be released.

We've all these characters fighting eachother in every match we play, but in the lore most don't even know the Shadow Isles exist, even though they have a handful of champions like most factions? This is a really weird disconnect between the game and the story.

The lore does not care about the game, yet the game is supposed to tell us about a character?

The world is a big question mark (one of my few issues that can be solved by releasing lore). Given Riots willingness to retcon anything and everything to create great stories, the notion that the old world is canon if you just remove the IoW is inaccurate.

LankPants6/10/2015, 12:26:09 PM6 votes

Can we start with not disappearing off of the earth and ignoring forum posts for months on end?

McAllister6/11/2015, 7:34:25 PM6 votes

Want: — Champions to interact with each other — Character development with lasting consequences that happens after announcement — A strong link between lore and gameplay — Enough answers that we can meaningfully consider the remaining questions

Expect: — New and exciting ways to introduce champions — Old and tired ways to ignore them after that — No connection between lore and gameplay — Mysteries, mysteries everywhere

Think of the department: — Lowest priority within the organization — Frequently-rotating leadership — Chafing against restrictions from above — Low morale, low morale everywhere

GreenLore6/13/2015, 10:18:49 AM4 votes

Overall I want them to finish the retcon. At this point the retcon simply took too long already and too many champs are in a weird limbo where they don't have a lore anymore. This seriously needs to change.I mean how are they supposed to bring the new lore forward if they still haven't cleaned up the retcon itself?

Photos of Ghosts6/10/2015, 10:48:21 AM4 votes

I'm waiting for the rehabilitation of Skarner.

Slushi Simcambi6/16/2015, 6:49:09 PM1 votes

What story department?

Baron of Bread6/10/2015, 8:43:46 PM1 votes

I expect Riot to produce new and in my opinion effective large lore pieces like they have been every ~10 months. I wish it was more frequent and I wish they fixed more of the little things (like the Shurima champions in client stuff, I mean really) to go with the changes they have done. I think they are working on it and I think it will turn out fine, I just think they could fix those smaller things faster.