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Lore-wise power levels, my list

HayRoss·Dec 16, 2015·7 votes·2,062 views

About a month ago, there was a thread with this big list of power levels (Lore wise) of different champions. And I thought that (Personally) there should be a few changes. So I made my own list. Give me your thoughts, please

PSA: I want to state 2 things before we begin -This is my opinion -I will change things if needed, and this list IS NOT FINAL

Now, let's begin

TIER S Near god-like power, capable of destroying near anything, fearing nothing, and being feared by all (Unsealed) TIER A Ancient power, capable of destroying large countries. Mountains crumble and oceans split in their wake (Sealed) TIER B Capable of flattening large, sturdy buildings with ease (Angry mode) TIER C Possesses powerful magic or superhuman abilities, capable of possibly defending themselves against a small army TIER D Highly experienced fighters, some of the most skilled combatants in Valoran. Capable of fighting off dozens of skilled fighters, maybe 100. (Yordle form) TIER F Unskilled combatants, capable of defending themselves, but not much else

TIER G A fat drunk claiming to be a champion

WEAPON TIER Champions that (Usually) have little combat experience and their power comes from an artifact or something of the sort. Their powers vary Your thoughts on this?

NOTICE:

The following Champions are either subject to move or are having difficulty finding a solid place in where they stay. Please read my comments below to understand why I placed them where they are (Ctrl+F)

Please do not get angry because you disagree with me, I'm not entirely happy with where they sit either. They are VERY likely to get moved

52 Comments

insaiyanbaccaDec 16, 20152 votes

you forgot the most powerful tier tier D Draven

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

But he is in Tier D?

insaiyanbaccaDec 16, 20151 votes

but draven's D is different

BlitzidiousDec 16, 20152 votes

should be in C. After all, Rakkoran warriors prefer fights against Demacian and Noxian soldiers, only when outnumbered ten to one. In Pantheons case, as he is essentially top of the line in Rakkor, he would more than likely be taking on more. Additionally, Singed should be in F, as he really isn't a combatant. He's an extremely intelligent and twisted individual, who developed war machines capable of taking out a civilization, but in direct combat, it's doubtful he'd be able to do much.

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

Plus considering the ability to fling himself to space by jumping, then I'll bump him up to tier C.

Although I am (For now) keeping Singed in the spot he is. Part of Riven's lore states that he helped in the Noxian invasion of Ionia, meaning he was in a very large battle. I might consider placing him lower in the future, but for now, he's sticking to where he is

The WhamboozlerDec 16, 20151 votes

Singed isn't a fighter, he's a guy who invented chemical weapons. If we're counting "he created a potent weapon" as the same as "he is godly powerful" then we're saying every legendary hero ever has NOTHING on the scientists who invented the nuke.

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

Well, I guess I'll just slide him into weapon tier then. Makes a bit more sense there

Ebonmaw DragonDec 16, 20151 votes

i guess that Veigar is in the V tier

HayRossDec 16, 20152 votes

Oh crap, I did forget him, I'll fix it

I guess I did give him the short end of the stick there

frigginmurlocsDec 16, 20151 votes

ok Rammus

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

Crap, I did forget Ram man. I'll fix it

GreenLoreDec 16, 20151 votes

Why is Nasus so high on the list? We have barely any indication about what he is capable of,but we know that Nasus&Renekton together weren't able to subdue Xerath,so I don't see why Nasus would be abvoe Xerath.

Also I dunno why Skarner and Zilean would be that powerful...

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

"To some, Nasus Nasus is a demigod who walks among the ruins of an ancient civilization; to others, he is nothing more than a myth. Legend speaks of his dominion over death and time. Millennia ago, he stood at the apex of Shuriman society as curator and guardian. He now roams the arid wastes, seeking to release his brother Renekton Renekton from the grip of madness." -Nasus's lore

Not only is he a demigod, but he is also fucking ancient. Skarner and Zilean were also the same reason I did it that way. Both have incredible ancient power

GreenLoreDec 17, 20151 votes

Just because regular humans think he could be a demigod,doesn't make him one. The short lore makes it pretty clear,that Nasus is no well-known being,he is more like a myth for most people,so I doubt that these people are well informed about him(they probably have no idea what the ascension ritual even is,which is probably why they think of Nasus as a demigod)

Nasus is an ascended,just like Azir & the point still stands that nasus didn't manage to defeat Xerath even though he had renektons help.

HayRossDec 17, 20151 votes

Damn this list is confusing

The DeckownerJan 1, 20161 votes

before the shurima rework, nasus's lore literally said he is a god.

GreenLoreJan 1, 20161 votes

No it wasn't

he was also part of a race of animalistic creatures that served as the rulers and protectors of the people. Unfortunately, there were others of his kind that believed they were more than protectors. They were under the egotistical delusion that they had ascended to become gods.

It says that some of his species thought of themselves as gods,but also says that it is nothing more than an egotistical delusion.

Moonboy65Dec 16, 20151 votes

where's Ahri ?

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

Should have been a class C, forgot to put her there

Moonboy65Dec 16, 20151 votes

yeah, she could probably be able to defend herself against a small army, she was also literally seen beating the crap out of Darius and killing him in the New Dawn trailer too.

KhâmulDec 31, 20151 votes

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yeah, she could probably be able to defend herself against a small army, she was also literally seen beating the crap out of Darius and killing him in the New Dawn trailer too.

in the new dawn trailer, Darius: -used ultimate (i'm seeing that as a great tense on his muscles to jump that high with this axe) -saw his brother getting slain -fought against jax who isn't a new comer -got stabbed by rengar before bitchslapping him --endured Leona's ultimate (sunlight and shit) -was already mentally and physically exhausted

In the other side, Ahri: -ran after katarina -got protected by leona -did some hentai things with zyra -slept after nautilus farted -kept her ultimate

Moonboy65Dec 16, 20151 votes

also Teemo should be in Tier S

lightdragoon88Dec 16, 20151 votes

Shouldn't Xerath be in Tier S? Your text for that stats that S is"Near god-like power, capable of destroying near anything, fearing nothing, and being feared by all"

Xerath is God-Like not only power wise but can't be killed. He can destroy near anything (when unsealed), he does not fear anything at all, even being sealed for thousands of years and having Nasus and Azir going after him right now and he like "Don't care" and feared by all....ok we never see anyone else interact with Xerath aside from Nasus Renekton Azir but I'm sure many would fear him.

HayRossDec 16, 20151 votes

Xerath is powerful, but not all-powerful. I think he's a pretty solid staying in tier A, like the other of the Ascended (I just BARELY but Nasus in Tier S, so he's pretty close to his ascended bros

lightdragoon88Dec 16, 20151 votes

But that the thing, Xerath has been stated to be more powerful then any other Ascended, even Nasus.

But again..that assuming he is unsealed. You are using his seal up version right? in that case A tier does sound right. How about making a Unsealed Xerath for the S tier and sealed Xerath for A tier?

HayRossDec 17, 20152 votes

I don't want too many different forms for every bastard champion, because then I'll end up putting down Zed and his Shadows. But I'm not going to use a slippery slope argument to avoid changing the list

lightdragoon88Dec 17, 20151 votes

Thanks man. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

The WhamboozlerDec 16, 20151 votes

is an ancient elemental being of fire that is often put on par as a destroyer of worlds. He's often compared to and listed as a rival to Anivia... who you put very high. Given that Brand is also implied to be both immortal and unlike anivia he can possess different bodies I fail to see why he's only a C.

It all really depends on what we're judging "power" as. Bard is a spirit. He flies around and does... things. He doesn't fight. It's hard to gauge him against Kindred, who is literally the dual-bodied embodiment of death. And why is Nasus higher on the list than ALL The other ascended? His power (in is new, shitty lore, at least) is due to being ascended JUST like Xerath, Renekton and Azir. If it's an age thing, Renek should be his equal. If it's a power thing, Xerath IS power held together by force of will. If it's for in-game reasons (aka the infinite potential of his Q) then you're not grading on in-game power and your whole list falls apart.

Braum is a legendary hero of folklore. The sort of guy who does utterly absurd things like punch through mountains and ride thunderstorms. Just sayin.

Alistar has no supernatural powers. His "heal" is even in-game regarded as him getting pumped up to fight or from a victory, and his ult making him unkillable is because he's a stubborn bull with too much willpower to go down. He has NO magical powers at all.

Kog'maw and Annie are essentially children. Not really skilled in fighting... yet you rated them higher than "mundane" characters like Kennen who had gone through extensive training to use lightning magic... and higher than Evelyn who is a poorly understood SUPERNATURAL being from the Shadow Isles that seems to survive off of the lives and energy of others.

I... don't actually think Elise can flatten a building. Nothing she does implies great strength at all. Her poisons might be the most potent thing EVER (since then nerfed Cass's anyway. #revertCassrework ) but poisons won't level a building. Also why is leveling a building more impressive and higher tier than "I can beat an ARMY". That building isn't even fighting back! And why is Tryndamere in this catagory, but NAUTILUS isn't... when in riot's videos he's a massive juggernaut that flattens half of nature by walking through it? You put Malphite up here and he's basically the same thing... a massive beast of a creature.

In fact, the whole buildings catagory is odd to me. Shaco? Flatten buildings? I mean... in lore he can appear places like the boogeyman to stab or scare you to death. He might be an evil spirit of sadism or cruel glee. But... he's not a wrecking ball and nothing in his lore suggests he explodes or anything to cause mass-scale property destruction.

I think your list is interesting but I don't really agree with a lot of it... mostly based on how odd your catagories are and how you seem to pick based on in-game excuses for some champs (Trynd is a godlike wrecker of entire fortresses because trynd backdoors towers well. lol) but ignore in-game power for others. Ashe can fight off hundreds of foes because... she's a good shot, but CAITLYN... who's entire schtick is being a sniper and thus probably a BETTER shot... is weaker? Hell, you put twitch here too and in Twitch's lore story he disposes of a few dozen men. From ambush, yeah... and most weren't fighters... but still. In Sona's lore she is... a VERY talented musician with a magical ethwal. No fighting skill mentioned and at best it's her "weapon" doing everything... but you put her as able to fight off dozens of warriors.

I DO like the Gragas joke at the end though. xD

HayRossDec 17, 20151 votes

A whole lot to respond to here.

Actually thinking about it, I think Brand should be weapon Tier because he just stumbled upon this insane fire magic one day. I'll bump him up to Tier B for now.

I put Bard at Tier S mostly because that was his placement in the list that inspired me to do this, he's (Probably) quite powerful, flying through space, creating holes in the fabric of space time, stasis fields, etc. He's very possible to be moved

Nasus I'm really torn about right now. His lore blatantly says that he's a demigod, so I want to keep him in Tier S, but it feels wrong to put him above the rest of the ascended. Very possible move.

Braum is supernaturally strong, but (My thoughts when making this list) was that he never really uses it. That is shitty, god-awful reasoning, so I'll put him in Tier C

Alistar may not have many powers, but he's just so big that I made him quite far up there. (Same with Malphite)

Kog'Maw and Annie were because (Despite being children) contain large amounts of power, whether that be in the form of molten teddy bears or vomit

As for the Shadow Isles characters/Shaco. I needed some term for "A rather large amount of power that is fathomable by mortals yet not comparing to gods". Taking the idea of literally smashing a large building was a better way of stating that, albeit being misinterpreted. Try not to take my descriptions so literally, because they're pretty shit. Also for Shaco, his power is pretty difficult to determine, but I always felt that he was never trying to defeat his opponents, just toy with them. He could very likely have more power, although he is subject to being moved

Nautilus I probably should move, although it's difficult to determine his power. His lore states that he has a dude trapped in a scuba suit, but A New Dawn showed him as fucking Cho'Gath sized. His actual size is one of those, and I put his power more to the Scuba suit size

Twitch I could move, although Caitlyn I put because her lore never says anything about her being in combat. She's a detective, and little more. Twitch I'll bump to Tier D, although I will feel a bit bad putting her alone

And although Gragas is a tad jokey, he really is little more than a fat drunk. The most combat experience he has is barfighting with Jax

Thanks for putting a lot of effort into this response

The WhamboozlerDec 17, 20151 votes

You're welcome. I wasn't trying to bash you, I just enjoy exercises like this as well. I was mostly confused about what you considered "powerful" to rate them by? Ability to kill things? Long life? Who would win in a fight? Ability to influence the world? Sheer mass and strength?

HayRossDec 17, 20151 votes

I know you didn't mean anything bad, I asked for legitimate contributions, and you gave those to me. And really, I don't have a precise definition of power, which makes this list even more frustrating to make, but in an almost fun way

PDE5 InhibitorsDec 17, 20151 votes

No Fiddlesticks ?

HayRossDec 17, 20151 votes

Forgot him, He should be Tier C

Moonboy65Dec 17, 20151 votes

Akali - Tier D Cassiopeia - Tier C Diana - Tier C or D DrMundo - maybe Tier C Irelia - Tier D Nami - probably Tier C

I would probably change Olaf to Tier D, not C

HayRossDec 17, 20151 votes

Olaf's rage is very superhuman. He goes totally unconscious and can fight the most dangerous creatures in Valoran. Olaf is a strong Tier C. The others are fine

WidemanDec 31, 20151 votes

Hey, I'm not extremely educated on all things lore so don't quote me on any of this... You seem pretty inconsistent on the whole artifact/weapon catagory, would Lucian not be part of this? Aswell, does that whole catagory even belong in this list, in the lore they have these "artifacts", is this not a measure of their in lore power? But onto more sold stuff, I totally understand the nautilus in the scuba suit argument, and agree with it, somewhat. I would consider the cinematics part of the lore, I don't know how anyone else feels on that so idk if it's true, if so, riot has directly shown he is quiet large, compared to a human. Remember valoran is an extremely advanced world, in some ways, nautilus could be wearing, essentially, a single person submerene, simailer to the deep sea suits we have today, just larger, closer to marvels 'hulkbuster suit'. Also, on the 2014 Halloween lore tidbit, it had nautilus nearly singlehandedly defend blidgewatee from the legions of undead, possibly including karthus, thresh, mord, hecarim, kalista(not in game yet so who knows), and others. I would say he is closer too tier B. Next on my list is rammus, not gonna lie rammus is probs my favourite champion, I love the idea of him. Trying to stay unbiased, I would drop him to tier F, it pains me to say, but how the heck could he even take on a dozen or 2 armed guys? All he has is spiky armour! The guys would have to try to get stabbed to die! Anyway, I really enjoyed this list, my don't want my contradictory opinions to be taken as an attack on you, just friendly debate.

HayRossDec 31, 20152 votes

Weapon tier is for a character who had a majority(>%50) of their power in something that is not directly a part of him/her. Lucian's weapons are pretty shiny trinkets and whatnot, but most of his power comes from being a skilled gunman

Nautilus is really difficult to place, he could be anywhere from Tier D-B, depending on how you look at it

Rammus has the ability to create earthquakes at will, which is why he is at Tier C

Thanks for the feed back, and if you have any other questions, I would love to hear them

WidemanJan 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Weapon tier is for a character who had a majority(>%50) of their power in something that is not directly a part of him/her. Lucian's weapons are pretty shiny trinkets and whatnot, but most of his power comes from being a skilled gunman

Nautilus is really difficult to place, he could be anywhere from Tier D-B, depending on how you look at it

Rammus has the ability to create earthquakes at will, which is why he is at Tier C

Thanks for the feed back, and if you have any other questions, I would love to hear them

Again, I am not that well versed in lore, but I've tried to do some research, and no where I've read in lore has rammus been able to create earthquakes. I know that is his ult in the game, but isn't his list lore based?

HayRossJan 1, 20161 votes

"Rammus had a moment of panic. As he trembled, the earth around him began to shake, the intensity increasing until he managed to steady himself. As the quake receded, Rammus arose and left the Plague Jungles in search of others like him."

From Rammus's lore

WidemanJan 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

"Rammus had a moment of panic. As he trembled, the earth around him began to shake, the intensity increasing until he managed to steady himself. As the quake receded, Rammus arose and left the Plague Jungles in search of others like him."

From Rammus's lore

Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that his old lore? It mentions the league so it was rewrit, the old lore considered obsolete. All currently embraced by riot lore has the young armordillo earthquake-less.

HayRossJan 1, 20162 votes

Let's use Rammus's lore as a whiteboard for this analogy.

Say Riot wrote down Rammus's lore on a whiteboard. Later, Riot came and erased it, saying that they'll come back and re-write it later. We remember what was written on the whiteboard, and for now, we'll use that

WidemanJan 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Let's use Rammus's lore as a whiteboard for this analogy.

Say Riot wrote down Rammus's lore on a whiteboard. Later, Riot came and erased it, saying that they'll come back and re-write it later. We remember what was written on the whiteboard, and for now, we'll use that

Ok, that does make sense, I can definitely understand your placement of rammus considering the earthquakes

The DeckownerJan 1, 20161 votes

in gragas's lore he destroyed ashe's fellow on his own, no one was able to take him down in ashe's clan. he should be very strong.

ziggs should also be put into weapon champion since all he does is throw bombs.

nautilus and malphite(maybe even maokai,not entirely sure about him) in lore wise are gigantic creatures that can destroy landscapes. with nautilusbeing the size of a huge rock(cinematic and lore) and malphite being the size of a mountain.

gangplank can also be called a weapon champ, with most his dmg coming out from barrels, gun and cannon fire from his ship. i think actually most adc using a gun or scientific projectile weapon should be count as a weapon champ.(ie jinx)

lissandra should be the same level as anivia, lore wise.

HayRossJan 1, 20161 votes

Gragas is still little more than a fat drunk, I don't really have much of an intention on moving him any time soon

Ziggs I already went over when talking about Singed. I'll have to look into him later

Nautilus is almost simultainiousley B, C, and D because of so many different interpretations of the lore. He could be very easily moved, but I don't know to where at this point. Malphite is Tier B, as he should

Gangplank is a highly skilled fighter, his combat capability doesn't come primarily from what he wields, so he's staying in Tier D

Again, I'll have to look into that later, you're probably right, and she will probably be moved soon, but I don't have time to look into that right now

The DeckownerJan 1, 20161 votes

and where is our beloved, most powerful being of the world: teemo-the satan?

HayRossJan 1, 20161 votes

Forgot to put him down, he should be tier D

The DeckownerJan 1, 20161 votes

His parents had thought that he would outgrow his boundless energy, but as he matured his energy found no limits and was matched only by his unnerving speed.

above is from kennen's lore. so he has infinite lighting enegy which is borned with him, and he learned how to control it from the ninja trainings. he should be at least annie level if not higher

KKxSavageJan 17, 20161 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RogueWillJan 17, 20161 votes

why is syndra below sealed xerath? lore wise syndra is on par with sealed xerath.

Why is liss also so high? on power she is comparable to ashe and sejuani and that's the whole reason she hasn't been defeated them already, either she is way too high or the other 2 are way too below

HayRossJan 17, 20161 votes

Xerath and the rest of the ascended are really, really confusing to place, and I'm getting pretty close to just shoving them all into tier A and ignoring them for the rest of time

Lissandra could very easily take over the Freljord, but she doesn't for whatever unknown reason

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