You claim that it's "Too distracting to balance" and that "Need to focus on other areas"
Riot, I'm not sure exactly WHY you think this, because you haven't done shit with dominion in years. You've totally neglected it and haven't done a single thing with it in eons. Why do you think that it takes up too much of your time when you've spent none of it on dominion?
iainB8526 votesEven if they didn't give it the attention it deserves, they have to continually make sure new changes don't have game breaking effects on Dominion.
I agree it sucks they half-ass supported it all these years just to cancel it, but it still definitely does have it's upkeep in a constantly evolving game.
A Miss Fortune18 votesI feel like if Riot did maintain Dominion it could be as popular as the Summoner's Rift. It has so many positives features to it's design such all champions tend to be viable, support champions can contribute on par with carry champions as kills aren't nearly as important, and there's a lot of positives to build paths which tend to be significantly more flexible than on Summoner's Rift. The atmosphere is a lot more fun and I see almost no toxicity at all.
HayRoss21 votesDominion is x10 more balanced than summoner's rift
TurquoiseYoshi16 votesIts balance is through its enormous imbalance. You know how unbalanced ARAM is when you actually start looking at it (which is balanced out by all champions being random for both teams)? That's how Dominion would be if it actually had a playerbase. Individual players would just take the best duelists and stomp matches. Teams would just go for a huge teamfight comp and travel as 5 constantly or alternatively send 1 duelist bot and 4 pokers top to stall the game.
It's not a balanced mode AT ALL if you actually look into it. It just seems balanced because few people know the meta, and even fewer learn it from them. There is a meta out there, and it would become heavily known and exploited in a ranked Dominion mode or even just a more heavily supported one.
HayRoss2 votesAssuming we're talking about solo queue, where that scenario could just as easily apply to summoner's rift as well
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesSolo Queue is a bit different. Skill/mastery of the player is the main decider on the viability of something. However, when we get into 5 man premade modes and possibly even a ranked Solo Queue Dominon, individual skill matters less as it's team-based throughout, like ARAM. In that scenario, only the champions with great synergy with the mode would be played.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesDominate Dominion. Which, incidentally, was played using custom games and therefore not counted towards that Icon. (>_>)
Slappybiscuit4 votesPure Bullshit
Obivously you have no experience in High Elo Dominion or you would know that's not how it works. The only thing you are correct about is that there is a meta. There were far fewer OP's in Dominion than they ever were in SR. And all they had to do was have bans and fix Kassadin. But they fucked the draft que years ago and never bothered to breathe any life into the mode for YEARS. This is on Riot, not the players. Dominion was the best part of this game but I and many others stopped playing it because Riot barely gave a shit about their own game, and it was obvious they were never going to pay any attention to the mode, establish a ranked system or even fix the damn draft que.
The farther you get away from the noobs of the mode the more enjoyable the mode became. In Dominion high elo you would see a wider variety of champions than you would ever see in SR. There were several different composition strategies used in 5mans. Again the only imbalance of the mode was a select few champions (kassadin) that was always less in number than the imbalanced shit you see in SR from season to season. Marksman were considered weak in Solo, but organized teams used them and dominated with them because they knew how to play around them, marksman with globals like ezreal were used frequently.
Funny, if imbalance is ever exploited in SR, riot fixes it. So you can't really call out for Dominion for it, where it was less of a problem and they rarely fixed anything to begin with.
Ale non è male6 votesThe fanbase complaining about Dominion balance was one of the big factors that in the end lead it to die Ranked Dominion, pick and bans, stuff like that? Please. That was the waste of resources that is used now by Riot to shut it down and made Riot realize at first :"why the hell do we have to split up a team to balance it out a made played by so few people, a game mode that is dislked by a lot of other people because it is not interesting and thus lead to longer queue times that made the downward spiral even worse and worse?"
Dominion map should have improved disgn wise a long time ago for the better, and Dominion players should have asked for that and helped for that rather than bragging about ranked queues and band and balance while keeping the map/game mode unchanged
UrPalAl1 votesNot at all. Riot even stated that even when dominion had just come out, no one played it after a few days.
The Aqua Snake1 votesNot at all. Riot even stated that even when dominion had just come out, no one played it after a few days.
While it's true that the current player base back in 2011 didn't play Dominion for long, the player base was smaller (Still big) compared to what it is now. There were plenty of chances over the years for new players coming in to play and enjoy Dominion as one of their main modes. In other words, Dominion could've found a new audience if the current playerbase at the time only wanted to play Summoner's Rift. Riot never allowed that chance to happen for reasons already stated.
GreenLore3 votesThe problem is that originally they did try to balance and to care for dominion,yet it still wasn't played very much even back then.
A Miss Fortune1 votesTimes change and now Summoner's Rift is so imbalanced and has so many negative features with the new season. Most of the time teams win in champion select, first blood can easily mean the game is over, towers barely exist and even got nerfed this patch with the new Dragon buffs.
There's so many issues with Summoner's Rift and Crystal Scar is so amazing because it kind of just fixes all of those errors. I feel like in this current state of Summoner's Rift if Riot were to actually update Dominion it could even be more popular than Summoner's Rift, given that Riot takes care of Dominion and appropriately modifies it. Instead they took a lazy route out and simply delete the horribly outdated map/mode.
Sire Hippington2 votessuch all champions tend to be viable
hell no. Many people have that wrong impression as they only play dominion as 'fun' mode, giving a fuck on strategie or what ever. The vast majority of players is in low-elo-dominion, and the mode is more played like deathmage there.
In higher elos, you soon notice that there is a meta, and the number if 'viable' champs is smaller than on rift.
The atmosphere and so on is mostly based on attitued. Back when i started playing lol(end of beta), I haven't seen alot toxicity, as people played mostly for fun rather than competition. There was not much meta, and no one gave a fuck which champs was taken where. As the game and with it the playerbase evolved, things changed on the rift.
Same with item builts. Back in the days, people were experimenting way more, beeing open to things. With the uprising community, especially with streamers, guids and E-sports comming out big, the players were more streamlined. They prefer the easy way and follow popular streamers or guids, or try to copy proplayers instead of makeing up their mind. Befor a meta established and those 'paragons' became so easy to find, people did HAVE to make up tehir mind as there was noone telling them what to do. And that's basically the dominion situation, There are few streamers or guids for domninion and no e-sports scene, and no ranked. As a result, most playewrs play it for frun instead of competition, and they just screw around and try out stuff as there is no 'source' of how it's 'properly played', while only few really have a more competetive spirite in dominion and seek to optimizr their picks, builts and strategie
And as a side note, kills matter just as much if not more in dominion.
YCitizenSnipsY9 votesRiot hasn't done shit with Dominion in years because no one else has. When is the last time Dominion has even been a "hot" topic on these boards before they announced this. You act like people stopped playing which is why Riot "neglected" it. The truth is that people stopped playing it long before Riot took focus off of it.
Some on else on Reddit said ti best, "INB4 50% of the community gets outraged over something that 1% of the community plays regularly."
BUDDHISTINK3 votesFunny how that works. I've never played a dominion game, dont think I ever will.
Avios11 votesIt is a part of the game, just like champions. many people would be outraged if Twisted Treeline or Champions got removed, so why not Dominion?
Abyssphere2 votesIt is a part of the game, just like champions. many people would be outraged if Twisted Treeline or Champions got removed, so why not Dominion?
It's not that people shouldn't care, but it's strange to care about something getting removed that was never used when if people really liked Dominion existing in this game, it wouldn't have been removed.
Dominion isn't being deleted because Riot abandoned it, it's being deleted because the players abandoned it. And it's silly for players to be outraged by the removal of a gamemode about which they have never shown anything but apathy.
GorillaBearz8 votesRiot didn't give a shit about Dominion in years and neither did we*[slayer-jinx-wink]*
HayRoss5 votesThere are many people who really like dominion, myself included
Raoul5 votesyeah, like 0.5% of the playerbase, and when we take away the IP-Farmbots, i bet it will go down to like 0.1%. The only people who will really miss Dominion are those who own the farmbots.
Vistha Kai2 votesYeah, believe everything Riot says.
Such a model citizen.
Jacknife7 votesWhy not believe them? They've lied to us one time years ago when they were thinking of another game map that didn't pan out and was dropped, and they apologized profusely when they told us this. Riot has made some pretty bad decisions in their time, but the one thing they don't do is lie about it.
Vistha Kai1 votesAre we even playing the same game?
Should I remind you their reason for the retcon and what they've done since?
Jacknife5 votesYou mean how they've decided to take their game in a different direction than their original intent years ago and have slowly been working towards that goal since? That's not lieing, that's changing their decision and perspective. Lieing would be promising that they're going to try their best to change Dominion for the better, and then deleting it.
swordishforce3 votesOnce you get into high elo dominion you do not see any bots. I play every day and haven't seen any for awhile.
GhastlyGhoulMan6 votesHonestly, it's like they're putting down a pet dog because they forgot to feed it, and now it's too sickly to keep living unless they, you know... Put in the effort to care enough to take it to a vet.
But nah. They'd rather put it down and buy new chew toys for their main show dog.
Edit: Yeah, it's more of if they had taken care of it before it just died of neglect, it could have been much better. At this point, I'd have to agree that it's kind of too late to save it. Better to let it go with dignity for now.
Raoul7 votesWow, trying to make it emotional by making a never-played, bug infested mode be compareable with a loving companion.
Thats low. Really low!
GhastlyGhoulMan3 votesWow, trying to make it emotional by making a never-played, bug infested mode be compareable with a loving companion.
Thats low. Really low!
Yeah, I think the post came across as waaay more emotional than I was intending it to be. I was going for less of an emotional appeal and more of a "if you don't feed it, of course it's going to die" comparison.
That being said, describing a neglected game mode as "bug infested" at the same time as the animal comparison... I can't help but chuckle at how increasingly the comparison is working... XD
Zedex5 votesWhat a comparison.
The difference is other human beings actually like dogs, whereas no one likes Dominion.
swordishforce2 votesI like dominion. So therefore you must be wrong.
hobomann25 votesriot shot themselves in the foot when the juggernaut update hit, now there just working there way up from there, they currently just shot themselves in the liver
Strabane5 votesLook how much time and dedication they put into the SR. It's a cluster fuck of balance issues and bugs, so you should actually be happy they haven't touched dominion. I'm sure someone brings it up every board meeting and everyone else just groans.
Furthermore, Im sure Riot's headquaters is divided into two places. A beautiful lush living area with an awesome cafeteria, brand new computers and happy people; this is where skins and new characters are developed. The other side is composed of Pentium 2's with fat arguing neckbeards working on balance, items and SR. Dominion programmers and computers are locked in some asbestos and mold ridden cellar along with the ARAM servers.
Zedex3 votesYou've got quite the overactive imagination.
Shame you're wasting it on hating Riots offices.
Raoul5 votesActually, no. They openly saoid that Dominion is not worth any effort and ressources, cause only like 0.5% of all LoL players even bother to play it, and from this 1 in 200 players, more than half are farm bots. Its not about the time, its about the ressources needed to keep a map running, that is literally just a bot IP farming ground.
agbudar3 votesysee if they keep something thats as balanced and fun where all champions are viable they won't need to balance champions so they can't come out with their super awesome patch notes. they lose their job security.
Steven Mcburn3 votesThere's a subtle irony in Riot saying they'd look into putting a ranked mode into dominion the year after it was released, then never doing anything with it.
It's like they're coming out now and saying, "oh man dominion is just too unpopular to support anymore" after never letting a competitive scene thrive there. Crazy.
I actually liked Dominion more than SR by a mile. I remember when it came out I logged something like 300 games before the season ended. It's a much healthier game than "am i strong enough to tower dive then brute-force this tower, or do I have to split push to make sure this objective dies?"
We never even got a draft mode on dominion, did we? Only map mode where you make selective picks without ranked? Probably had the lowest number of reports/toxicity out of any mode, even when it first came out? Riot kind of struck gold and quietly walked away from it with dominion, which is a pity because the whole "farm for 20 minutes" aspect of their game isn't the appealing part of it.
Zedex3 votesThey haven't done, "shit" with it in years BECAUSE of those reasons. Its too much of a distraction to balance (like 4 champions on that map are god tier, Heimer being one of them and has for years) and they DO need to focus on other areas. I'll be damned if SR balance patches start getting cut because they need to "Fine tune" dominion a bit more so its fair. They either need to overhaul it or delete it, and since overhauling it is too much work, they'd rather just delete it since it serves no real purpose except XP grinding for bots and new players.
There are no strategies, and there is no play making involved. Whoever captures the first few points wins, and after that its literally a clusterfest of players trying to carry there teams by running around the map being useless.
Arsenic Sulfur3 votesAnd the players stopped supporting Dominion since it's release. When Riot finally stopped trying to balance it the place was crumbling. It was waiting for a giant sinkhole to swallow it so it can experience the sweet release of death. And besides, why would you spend resources and hire a separate team just for a mode that barely any people played?
Rot Panda1 votesRiot started to fail supporting dominion within two months of its release.. not to mention http://i.imgur.com/gFrTw5s.png never happened even with a competitive dominion scene running tournaments until late season 4
Bear Gauntlets2 votesIf they hadn't do anything with it in years, can you imagine the nightmarish task of doing YEARS of backlogged upkeep to a game mode to many people play?
Ulquiorra9952 votesWell maybe they shouldn't have left the game mode to rot for years as a "responsible, player-focused company" they claim to be then.
Meanwhile, Smite permanently has 4 maps on along with an always-on featured game mode.
killd0zer2 votesLol neither did 99.5%+ of the playerbase
Sire Hippington2 voteswhile they argueably didn't put much effort into it balance wise, it sure has/had it's techincal upkeep, as all new champs/reworks do have capture animations and work bugfree(or atleast as bugfree as in SR). Thoug one might argue that makeing sure a capture mechanic techincally works has a lot benefits for potential fun-modes...
Stillname1 votesIf you think about it. Most of the people who only played dominion were probably fairly casual players who don't go to the website and don't log in that frequently.
A lot of the dominion playerbase won't find out about this for a few weeks after its already happened.... that'll be a weird 10 minutes trying to figure out where the dominion queue went. Or more because the article will be gone off the website by then.
Olga Rajecka1 votesRiot killed Dominion themselves. That`s a fact.
Lordllo1 votesjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjust like they neglected yorick and still havent announced anything about him
