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It's been a year to the day since Skarner, Amumu, and others lost their lore.

DrCyanide··13 votes·1,562 views

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-416-notes#patch-updated-bios

Is it too unreasonable to have Skarner, Ezreal, Amumu, and Rammus get something slightly longer? Sivir and Cass at least had a portion of their backstory narrated by Nasus, Nasus and Renekton got a slight nod to in Azir or Xerath's lore, but these four champions didn't get anything!

I'm not asking for a new event, I'm not asking for something flashy, I'm just hoping for them to get something more, so they feel like champions again.

There's literally more character development for Jakmunt Zyglos (from Miss Fortune's Lore ) than there is for several champions in the game put together.

The man’s name was Jakmunt Zyglos, one of the Painted Brothers. Any corsair worth his salt had tattoos, but every inch of Zyglos was inked with clawed serpents, lovers’ names, and a record of every boat he’d sunk, every man he’d murdered. His skin was as good a confession as any she’d known.

This is, in many instances, better than the one paragraph descriptions we get for champions, because it actually makes us interested in learning more about him and tells us stuff about him. There's also a good amount of additional text too, describing his interactions with MF.

By my count, Jakmunt Zyglos's story, from his emergence to him getting shot in the eye and heart, is 47 sentences. The lores of Ezreal, Rammus, Skarner, Amumu, Nasus, Renekton, Cass, and Sivir COMBINED are only 25 sentences. Seriously? Is it too much to ask for as much on a champion as we get on a throw away character?

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Blade of Justic8 votes

I think the biggest crime was Xerath's lore.

What a pile of Saturday Morning Manure.

Here is his Original: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1298476&page=1#post15137608

And here is his current: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/xerath/#champion-lore

Why not give him a mustache and call him Dick Dastardly? http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RXKJolS9Atg/hqdefault.jpg

GreenLore2 votes

Uhm what? If anything his new lore made him more sympathetic.

Old Xerath was a guy who killed hundreds,if not thousands for power,sure the destruction he caused was a side effect,but in the end he saw it as "necessary sacrifice"(even though his loved one was among the victims).

New Xerath once rescued Azirs life and was promised to be freedom,yet Azir didn't free him and Shurima seemed doomed under him. When Xerath was eventually freed by Azir,there was no turning back anymore for him,he couldn't stop the ritual anymore even if he wanted.

Blade of Justic2 votes

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Uhm what? If anything his new lore made him more sympathetic.

Old Xerath was a guy who killed hundreds,if not thousands for power,sure the destruction he caused was a side effect,but in the end he saw it as "necessary sacrifice"(even though his loved one was among the victims).

New Xerath once rescued Azirs life and was promised to be freedom,yet Azir didn't free him and Shurima seemed doomed under him. When Xerath was eventually freed by Azir,there was no turning back anymore for him,he couldn't stop the ritual anymore even if he wanted.

Old Xerath sought a power in the arcane arts to advance his people in their studies. He wanted to push the boundaries of the human mind and body with the means of understanding the magical essence of the universe. Though his ritual was a destructive force, he was willing to abandon everything he pursued in order to keep what was already precious to him. Just as he was going to end it, he saw his only anchor to his past life taken by his own ambition and saw no choice but to proceed.

He feels anger at his imprisonment and wishes only to complete his life's work.

But also hidden guilt over what he had lost to achieve this.

New Xerath does a nice thing for someone he should have let die and then pushes him out of the way of the "Beam of Ascension" or whatever it was. Then makes Renekton go mad and is all like "K, imma get power now."

I felt nothing for new Xerath but an underlying idiot who just did what he should have from stage one. Dropped Azir like a nasty hanky.

GreenLore2 votes

No old Xerath wanted to push the arcane arts to its boundaries for himself. He never intended to help anyone with it,he merely wanted the power because he wanted to know how much power he can unleash,he wanted to know the secrets of the universe and he was ready to cause mass destruction for it.

Sacrificing thousands of others just for power,that is pretty much a prime example of villainy. Just because he did consider turning back,until his girlfriend died(something that he himself described as a "necessary sacrifice"),doesn't excuse what he has done in the slightest.What he did was out of selfish reasons and he killed hundreds,if not thousands of people for it and didn't feel any remorse over it.

And you say new Xerath shouldn't have rescued Azirs life in the first place?You really describe him as a dastardly villain,but complain about him saving someone? Not to mention that xerath might have been killed if anyone found out that he let someone from the royal family die(don't forget that azirs father was described as a mad emporer)

And now Xerath is a dastardly villain because he pushed azir out of the way for ascension? Appearantly killing thousands of people for power is not dastardly at all,but if he had to push someone for it,then it is....

Lastly we don't know the circumstances of renekton going mad,old Xerath didn't want revenge,because the guys who sealed him away were already dead anyway. New Xerath wasn't this lucky,so of course he'd be furious(and renekton probably did try to kill xerath while they were inside the tomb) Renekton and Xerath were sealed for who knows how long,that alone probably wasn't good for their sanity.

Celio Hogane HD2 votes

So the fact it was a slave all his life and only wanted freedom is OBVIUSLY more evil than "oh welp it kind of failed now even my love is dead"

Blade of Justic2 votes

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So the fact it was a slave all his life and only wanted freedom is OBVIUSLY more evil than "oh welp it kind of failed now even my love is dead"

People seem to think that the fact that Xerath belittled the situation that happened due to his ritual was just because he didn't care.

If you read the story, you can tell that he actually really regrets what he did but doesn't want to admit it to others or even himself. And since he was locked away for so long that any remnants of his old civilization is gone, he regretfully can only look to the future.

If he sounds like he doesn't care, that's him being jaded with a hint of denial of what he did.

As for the new story, I feel that the whole reason they made Xerath into a slave was just because they didn't want to have to re-record Xerath's voice lines since he talks about "Being Free" so much. But that's not really the point of the discussion.

The point is that Yes, he was a slave. Yes, he was lied to. Yes, Azir probably deserved to get betrayed.

But why even tell him about the ritual if you could just as easily kill him with poison or a dagger in the side? Why purposefully cause Renekton to go mad? Why usurp the throne instead of just leaving it empty? He must have known that his actions would put all of Shurima at risk. And yet, he didn't care.

He might have started an "Unfortunate sod", but he quickly turned selfish before he even put his plan into action.

Personally, I feel that the two stories just come down to subjective preference.

The old story is about ambition and regret.

While the new story is about injustice and a sense of duty.

GreenLore2 votes

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People seem to think that the fact that Xerath belittled the situation that happened due to his ritual was just because he didn't care.

If you read the story, you can tell that he actually really regrets what he did but doesn't want to admit it to others or even himself. And since he was locked away for so long that any remnants of his old civilization is gone, he regretfully can only look to the future.

If he sounds like he doesn't care, that's him being jaded with a hint of denial of what he did.

Thats however your interpretation and there wasn't much to support it,neither his VO,nor his regular lore implied anyhting like that and in his judgement pretty much went into the direction that he didn't regret his actions. I mean the discussion between him and the summoner was the summoner asking Xerath about how he feels about his past and xerath didn't show any emotions over it and answered the questions without hestitation.The only time where he hestitated for a short time was when he lied to the summoner about his motivations to join the league. This is a pretty good indicator that Xerath was emotionally calm and collected about the rest of the questions,since he didn't hesitate to answer those.

The point is that Yes, he was a slave. Yes, he was lied to. Yes, Azir probably deserved to get betrayed.

But why even tell him about the ritual if you could just as easily kill him with poison or a dagger in the side?

If he killed Azir,then that wouldn't have freed him.Someone else would have claimed the throne and said person could be even worse than Azir. And keep in mind that Shurima is largely based on egypt,where sometimes the servants of the dead pharaoh would be killed to serve the pharaoh in the afterlife,meaning that Xerath could have gotten himself killed with this. Also Xeraths motives for now are rather vague.I doubt he did it purely out of spite to kill Azir,but either because he wanted the power to rebuilt shurima into a better nation,or because he really wanted the ascension(a rioter said that new Xerath was also extremely interested in magic,just like old xerath)

Chespin20131 votes

the new lore just makes him look like father from full metal alchemist really

Stars Shaper3 votes

Or, more relatably...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/new-monster/images/6/67/Aladdin_Jafar_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131022165949

DrCyanide2 votes

Lets scrap Ezreal, Rammus, Skarner, Amumu, Nasus, Renekton, Cass, and Sivir.

#JakmuntZyglosForChampion!

Matezoide2 votes

Technical Issues

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-60410796fdd1176dbb93a8386b390551?convert_to_webp=true

GreenLore2 votes

Not longer an excuse since the Bilgewater event.

Mori Please1 votes

amumus sad cause his lore changed too much then it got removed

TerraRising1 votes

Riot works by committee, and things have to get reviewed and redone before they can get released.

This is why there's only one mega event each year. Teams have to stop all their projects to work on the big one.

This is why there were only four champs who received new bios in a format that is still undergoing revision.

This is why Jaredan and company are too busy to converse with us on a regular basis. Not only do they have their own work to get done, they have to attend meetings on other projects (new champs, reworks, future events, etc.)

This is why Taric, whose gameplay rework is ready for review, is waiting on ChampUp's art team to get rolling while the opposite is true of Poppy.

Sometimes, the end result of a committee project is awesome. But, it's rare that the awesomeness is worth the wait because it takes forever to get the next one done.

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