I mean, she just doesn't have enough skins!!! it seems like champs like 
get all the skins.... I'm really glad riot is listenting to the community and creating skins for champs that don't have a lot instead of going for the "we only care about money" route!!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
Forbidden Siren7 votesIf you take Sona's Ultimate skin out of the equation, she haven't had a decent skin in a long time. And by that, I mean... not many people can afford a 30 dollar skin.
RowanEnd2 votesTrue she hadn't gotten a skin since 2012 but ultimate skins are still skins????????????????
Forbidden Siren2 votesYou're missing the point, the new Sweetheart Sona skin is a cheaper option for those who don't want to spend 30 dollars on an ultimate skin.
Uiraya1 votesArcade is still one of the best skins in the game.
Deep Terror Nami5 votesThey don't just make whatever has the least or gone the longest without one (obviously), they make what fits the theme they are doing and when they have a great idea for it. Diana is getting a skin soon, Yorick is up for an update so they'd just have to completely redo any skins they make, and I think Urgot is the same. I'd love more for Nami, but I don't see the point in whining about it.
RowanEnd2 votesI just find it annoying how they continue to pick champs that already have nice skins/a large number of skins yet they continue to make more for them, Ex. lunar wraith caitlyn/morgana, they both have a lot of skins (tho morganas are lacking visually). I understand of course that skins are coming for them but its still silly that its been like 3 years for urgot and yorick since their last skin? and two years for diana?
Ravenhale1 votesIf you were curious, Lunar Wraith was Morgana's and Caitlyn's seventh skin, disregarding the Chroma that both of them got. Sweetheart will be Sona's seventh skin as well, putting all three in the top 35 champs when it comes to skin pools.
Kinjishi1 votes"putting all three in the top 35 champs when it comes to skin pools." Out of 128 champions (including Jhin next week), this puts them in the top 27%. That's fairly impressive and means that almost 3/4 of the champions pool is more in need of a skin than them. Rather proves the OP correct.
Ravenhale1 votesActually it does apply to some extent. If you look at the Lunar Revel skins, all three champs picked had not picked up a skin since late 2014 (Underworld Wukong, Headhunter Caitlyn, Victorious Morgana). Orianna's last skin was from Snowdown 2014 and Sona has been a year out. While the Beast Hunter skins include two champions with recent skins from June 2015 (Pool Party Draven/Nightmare Tryndamere), Sejuani hadn't seen a skin since Snowdown 2014.
The issue some people are seeing is that there appears to be a category of roughly 20 champions that the skin team seems hesitant to touch, either because of stated or rumored reworks. Taric, Zyra and Cassiopeia are stated reworks. Yorick is almost an official stated rework, despite no firm commitment ever falling from the lips of Riot. It's just been brought up so many times that people have started to accept it to be in the works, even if it isn't. Urgot and Swain are more like rumors that start because someone from Riot said something that suggested a rework might happen.
And then you have the Kennen Factor. Guys like Nocturne, Kayle, Diana and Viktor whom randomly appear to get skipped over. If Diana had not won the vote for the All Star skin... well, she probably wouldn't be seeing one. We really don't know why these ones are getting bypassed.
Edit: I spoke a couple hours too soon. Yorick has officially hit the Champion Update Schedule.
Masala Chai1 votes
It's been so long...
Pika3105 votesNot that it matters. Myself and numerous other players have stopped buying Sona skins ever since patch 4.13 made her unplayable. I can't begin to count the number of people I've talked to that said they would have bought DJ if not for 4.13. The number of people that gave her a try to see if it was worthwhile, just to quote the exact words, "This champ is shit." or, "This champ does no damage." The number of people that didn't bother testing her out before, playing only 2 games and never playing her again, many of which immediately refunded it.
Just like patch 4.13 has severely injured the sales of DJ and her existing skins, it'll continue to damage sales of new skins as well.
Masala Chai3 votesSona is problematic to balance because her simplicity makes her very binary- it's far too easy for her to be overpowered or underpowered with just a few poorly-judged buffs. It's kind of like Annie. Except Sona does the targeting for you. She's balanced around Lich Bane and Luden's Echo, because they synergize really well with her kit. If she didn't have he auto attack reset with her abilities and power chord, and her Q did not even empower autos, she would be really weak. Nami doesn't synergize with any AP item except FQC and maybe Morello in the support role.
The person who said "This champ does no damage" probably has never used Lich Bane on her. I've been one shot by her as Twitch. She was fed as f because she was flashing kills from her adc. Not really nice.
Here are some Nami players on their thoughts of the Nami vs Sona matchups "You can outtrade though because of W bounces but Sona has more damage. You can also blow her up when you hit a bubble" (Diamond) "Her laning is better before first back, but immobile to ganks." ( S4 Challenger)
Janna vs Sona "Janna doesn't do well against Sona. Like Nami she outpokes and outsustains you. Her hitting her ult on you could result in your death or your ADs death. Try to stay out of her range when she's gotten AP items as her Q will definitely chunk you." (Platinum)
Some champs are not balanced around numbers, you could technically argue that Fiora has shit scaling on her Q and W and Duelist's Dance is easily overshadowed by Vayne's 12% true damage. But she's a really good champ.
Pika3105 votesYet none of that is a valid excuse to blatantly keep her unplayable and the weakest champ in the game. Even that aside, over half of what you said is just blatantly false and unsupported by mathematics anyways.
You're literally just spewing propaganda and disinformation.
Masala Chai3 votesYou're the one showing propaganda of how Riot is evil, makes Sons ridiculously weak and a troll pick. You've spewed out tons of stuff that sounds oddly like the lines of a North Korean propaganda machine. If you're going to quit League, then go ahead and go to Blizzard. Sona is a low Elo champ. And when people who are higher elo than you say Sona is playable. Then she is. Gosu doesn't cry whenever Sona is on his team. She's a lane bully, because of her potent poke.
Pika3105 votesThe #1 Sona player in the entire world has stated on numerous occasions that she is unplayable outside of bronze. Nobody is better than him, he's literally the final word. Sona is unplayable, this is a fact. Get over yourself already, someone better than you has already confirmed it.
Masala Chai3 votesAP Sona's match history refutes this, He's very good at Sona, and that's one of his top champs.
If Sona is so bad, then why does Xpecial perform better with Sona, than say Nami or Zilean? And you say Nami is much much better than Sona.
Third, statistically, A Wild AP Sona is no longer the best Sona player in the world. He might be second best, and He's only Diamond V, he's also only played 2 champions since the start of the season and plays those two champs religiously (Lux and Sona). His performance on Sona is much better than his performance on Lux.
Fine, whatever. Sona's rework was a disaster, but her kit is overloaded with Lich Bane. Revert to 4.12 and don't give her an auto reset with Power Chord reset. Bump the move speed too. Fair?
But she is hard to balance, do you understand me? She's godly in lower elo, and awful when people know how to play around her in higher elo.
Oh yeah, I think that Blitzcrank fits this archetype perfectly. In high elo heck in Silver, people just position themselves so that they won't get hooked or they infinitely kite him out when he gets his only mine speed boost until they pop his only mine shield. Not to mention his speed boost also has a slow attached to it and his hook costs a shit ton of mana and he will run OOM with 3 hooks and is on a yuge cooldown. Yeah it hurts more, but the cooldown is significantly higher at 20 seconds at rank 1, with the all but likely potential it will miss. Unless Sneaky hitboxes kek.
Bottom line is this, Sona is indeed playable. Xpecial and Aphro played her last season. With 50-50 success.
At least she wasn't Diana'd like where her winrate dropped by 13% in all elos. It was impossible to detonate Pale Cascade. And her laning suffered due to the Crescent Strike base damage nerfs.
She isn't post rework Evelynn either, keep in mind that it took Riot over a year to fix her.
Pika3105 votesI can quote AP Sona saying she's unplayable too. Or I can quote Best Dota 2 Sona or Codesave, it doesn't matter which Sona expert I quote, they all say she's useless. Refute A Wild AP Sona all you want, he was still #1 worldwide for 3 seasons in a row and the ONLY reason he's not now is because he hasn't been playing for a very long time. In general, all the top Sona players have stopped taking this game seriously because SHE'S NOT A PLAYABLE CHARACTER.
I'm sorry it's hard for you to accept this mathematical fact, but that's exactly what it is: A Fact.
Masala Chai3 votesDid you even read the entire post? I'm sure you didn't. The epitome of unplayable is post rework Eve, where you would get reported for even selecting Eve in champ select.
How about this, Fiora's bases and scalings are shit. That's your logic right there.
If A Wild AP Sona says Sona is unplayable, WHY IS HE STILL PLAYING SONA THEN.
Also, where is this mathematical fact, a fact based on opinion?
Pika3105 votesDid you even read the entire post? I'm sure you didn't.
You're right. Why would I waste my time on a long post from someone who's just intentionally lying to me from behind a computer screen?
I've handed you countless expert testimonies on a silver platter. Any reasonable jury in this country would have already sided with me. You're just trying to drag this out with pointless appeals.
Masala Chai3 votesI brought the testimony of a Challenger, and the statistics of LCS players and multiple plats in the first post.
You brought 2 Diamonds (Both of which have a Diamond V mmr) from the same people multiple times, who only play Sona or one other champion, (Best DOTA 2 Sona having only played nothing but Sona since Season 4, and Wild AP Sona playing Lux occasionally) your appeals are pointless.
Why don't you read Team Dignitas' interview with Sona?
AP Sona: The way I play Sona is pretty weak in the new patch. I build her and play her very aggressively, and the introduction of more bursty lane opponents means I can get punished very easily in lane. Most players play Sona defensively (with a 0/18/12 mastery set in the new patch) - this version of Sona has been buffed heavily thanks to Windspeaker’s Blessing, which is particularly effective due to Sona’s AOE shield. If you play Sona, you should probably start playing her the “boring” way, with an emphasis on survivability and mana regen so that you can spam heal in lane. I don’t foresee AP Sona being a particularly strong strategy in this current meta.
http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/01/2015-champion-tier-list-solo-queue.html
This tier list also says that Sona is a tier 1 pick... from also a Diamond. huh.
Spewing out misinformation seems to be your job, not mine.
Winrates? Champion.gg says Sona has a 53.37% winrate Lolking has her on a daily winrate of above 53% across all tiers, Plat seems to reflect a similar showing, and Diamond seems to flucuate extremely day by day. Master and above is largely a mess due to the low amount of people playing her, but the area above the 50% is significantly higher than the area below the 50% mark. huehuehue
Yeah you're going to ignore the words of hundreds to the voice of two players who have never experienced a world outside of Sona.
Don't even start on Lee Sin, people perform with him poorly because players are bad with him. Because you just LOOOVE to keep on using Lee Sin in your examples.
Pika3105 votesI brought the testimony of a Challenger, and the statistics of LCS players and multiple plats in the first post.
You brought random assumptions based on what you've seen by random non-Sona players. I have direct quotes from several of the best Sona players WORLDWIDE. This isn't a debate, just a 1-sided argument of me stating clear facts and common sense, while you stubbornly trying to deny substantial evidence that's been laid out in front of you.
I'm sorry that you don't want to accept the truth, but making false statements and intentionally creating misleading propaganda won't magically make Sona a playable character. Rito blatantly hates Sona, they themselves have stated as such repeatedly. They won't ever let her be playable again, Meddler himself already intentionally made it so you can't even spectate games she's in. It's only a matter of time until he follows through on his plans of removing her from the game completely. Probably under the ruse of being "bugged" they'll disable her and never fix this "bug" or re-enable her. I'm predicting it here and now.
Masala Chai2 votesQuotes from Riot, now.
I have quotes from AP Sona. Who still plays the game.
"but making false statements and intentionally creating misleading propaganda won't magically make Sona a playable character. "
Hypocrite, where's your math? Says the guy who says that he can procure a claim from AP Sona that says she's unplayble, when he said in an interview that she as ninja buffed by mastery shifts and is a viable character. Says the guy who either has smurfs who downvote everyone or a small following who disagrees with you. Because I got 3 downvotes in the space of 1 hour. As opposed to a spread over multiple, which immediatly occurred immediately after you responded. Yeah. Interesting. Not to mention your board posts have a very high number of downvotes, while your comments have upvotes. Don't forget that the people who support you are either very low level, or haven't played a single gave for the past several months. Who's the liar now?
In addition, those players you mentioned have never played soothing outside of Sona or Lux (in the case of Wild AP Sona) The truth hurts dood.
If they're making a skin for Sona, then why would they permanently disable her? Hmmm?
Not even with arguing to because your argument holds no merit.
And why isn't the community up in arms over the fact that Sona is unplayable? It's because of people like you that make me think Sona needs nerfs.
LSmaster162 votesI think you might be a bit paranoid...
Ravenhale4 votesIt's not so much that she's unplayable, but that she's not a safe Solo Queue support pick. Wild AP Sona stated many times that you have to play Sona glass cannon to get the most out of her kit. If you went the Cheerleader route, you were forcing your team into a 4 v 5. Supports like Janna and Soraka are much better suited for that route because of their inherent utility.
His complaint about Sona is that she can't climb. Once you hit high plat or diamond, the players you face know Sona's weaknesses too well. This talk about her being a lane bully is wrong. Sona doesn't bring enough damage for the risk she takes. It's also not about her synergy with Lich's Bane. It was her Synergy with Sheen, which was recently nerfed to have no AP now, hurting Sona's game even more. So you have a support that brings expensive, ineffective utility that also doesn't bring enough damage because her Q alone isn't where her damage lies.
He continues to play her to prove his point and because he loves the champion. There are players like this. They will play a champion, no matter how bad the champion gets deep sixed. I have no intentions of benching my Sona either, even though I only have 40 games on her. I can't let my three skins on her go to waste.
I just don't get the impression you play Sona. Maybe you've played against her, or tried her out a couple times and thought her damage was decent. You need to get destroyed in lane as her several times to really understand what her issues are. It also helps you learn how to lane against her.
Masala Chai2 votesFair enough, I've only played a couple of games with her, but she performed to above my expectations, even against kill lanes.
Lane bully because she outtrades a lot of people. With a Q combo, and power chord, you're amping up your damage and your ADC's damage, while reducing the damage of say the ADC, plus a heal to negate most said harass. You only really need two spells to trade optimally with Sona, rather than say Nami, Q for stun, W for heal, and E for damage amp. The Q having the potential to miss, the W have the potential to bounce incorrectly (thanks Riot)
Sure she's fragile and all. But in poke comps, she can negate harass with her W if she can time it right, and she has pretty good poke to help negate kill comps to prevent an engage in lane.
Ratbert6 votesUh, nami really only needs her w to trade. Everything else is bonus damage if you feel like it or need the safe heal.
Masala Chai2 votesNami's W damage (70 / 110 / 150 / 190 / 230 (+ 50% AP)) is rather poor compared to Sona's Q (40 / 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 (+ 50% AP)) + 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 20% AP) (+ 10 / 20 / 40) Where as Sona can hit Q on 2 targets at the same time ezpz, where as Nami has to set up 2 bounces to come out on top of the trade.
Ratbert6 votesBecause it also heals. Are you trying to ignore half a skill because it disagrees with you?
Masala Chai2 votesThere is a heal yes, but you need to set up the bounces for the heal to occur. This is actually quite hard from my experience (I've played a fair bit of Nami). Unless you are actively trading. Sona tends to come out on top of trades with Nami because she also has the damage reduction with her power chord. Once again it's hard to set up bounces without Aqua Prison
Ratbert2 votesIt's not hard if you're poking a sona that's poking you. You both stand still for like a second. Besides, if you're comparing nami's worst case to sona's not worse case, sona's obviously going to get the upper hand. Plus, you aren't taking into account nami being able to target herself first, which makes it pretty easy to get the first bounce + speed up.
If sona's using her w power chord against you, it's already too late because you've casted your w already. It has 0 effect besides reducing her own damage because of the travel time. That is, assuming your trade is just q>aa for sona and w for nami.
Masala Chai2 votesIt's not hard if you're poking a sona that's poking you. You both stand still for like a second. Besides, if you're comparing nami's worst case to sona's not worse case, sona's obviously going to get the upper hand. Plus, you aren't taking into account nami being able to target herself first, which makes it pretty easy to get the first bounce + speed up.
If sona's using her w power chord against you, it's already too late because you've casted your w already. It has 0 effect besides reducing her own damage because of the travel time. That is, assuming your trade is just q>aa for sona and w for nami.
But the damage on the bounce is reduced unless Nami builds AP over utility.
Ratbert6 votesSo? It'll heal more than sona's heal + shield like 90% of the time past level 3 and deal damage and speed you up. All for two thirds of sona's mana used during that trade.
Masala Chai2 votesIn a level 3 trade, Nami opens up with a Q which deals 75 (+ 10 damage assuming Nami has 20 AP) which hits both Sona and her ADC (60 mana), which deals a total of 170 raw damage, her adc has time to do one AoE spell (we'll use Corki's Phosphorus Bomb) dealing (80 + 13 damage or so) which is 93 damage doubled to 186 damage, because he probably hit both. This is a total of combined damage of 356 damage. Nami will Ebb and Flow (70 mana) which will do an average of 70 damage per bounce, and 60 heal for each heal. That's 496 damage in one trade, as well as a 120 heal.
Great now let's say Sona engaged, and her Q (45 mana) hit 2 targets dealing 40+10 raw damage to both the support and the ADC) combined for a total of 100 raw damage, then we add the Q procs assuming her adc was close by for a bonus of 20 plus 4 damage for each bonus auto attack making it around 48 damage for both combined. Sona would have roughly 54 AD and her ADC might have something around 75 or so. Add those together and we have an additonal 129 raw damage. Add all of that together and we have 277 damage in one Q combo. W does no damage but the heal is around 30+ 4 , 34 heal without any percent missing health factored, which makes a total of 68 heal.
So the math is this
Nami + Corki botlane does 496 damage with a 120 heal, and a speed boost for 130 mana. Sona + Caitlyn bothlane does around 277 damage with a 68 heal if the target has no missing health as well as a relatively minor shield which helps during trades (block half an auto attack), and a unique affect based on power chord (bonus damage, damage reduction or slow) for 120 mana.
Now that sounds like it's in Nami's favor but...
Nami has a skillshot incorporated within that combo, if she misses it she loses 170 damage, and maybe the phosphorus bomb if playing vs a Kalista, Vayne or Quinn.
Whereas Sona's is auto targeted and has higher ranges on both of her skills, an auto attack reset which executes this combo much more swiftly.
If Nami only uses Ebb and Flow, that's 140 damage on both targets and 120 heal for themselves. Assuming she can get all the bounces off.
Ratbert7 votesYou added basics for only one side... It's also kinda weird at level three to have rank ones in two skills only. Nami's e adds much more to her kit than sona's e, so you should give sona her rank 2 q and nami her e.
Masala Chai1 votesIt's unlikely that Nami or her ADC for that matter would be unable to get 3 procs on the E especially with a really low attack speed, especially because the slow is ridiculously small (15% at rank one). If Sona power chords the E with her W, then the bonus damage is essentially useless.
And anyway, the probability of Nami landing a bubble on two characters at the same time is highly unlikely.
Ratbert6 votesTwo hits is more than enough to add 50 damage, and 15% slow is still a pair of boots gone, which is pretty noticeable.
If sona power chords nami's e, it'll do 40 damage still if you get two easy hits in, which is equal to sona's q buff.
Landing one bubble is enough to reduce that person's damage to 0, which is pretty significant. It's not that hard to land the bubble against a slowed 325 champ either.
Ravenhale2 votesIt's not been my experience. You are a lane bully when you realize they don't know how to play against you. You'll know this if you can land a couple Q+Amped AA without too much retaliation. It's also a good time to figure out how much followup you can expect from your ADC. It really doesn't matter what their bot lane comp is. There's people that know how to play against Sona, and those that don't. You can bully a Leona out of lane if she just stands there and takes it.
Masala Chai2 votesWell, Leona is THE lane bully of supports because of the hard engage. Sona does lane bullying better than Annie but that's due to poke. DIsentegrate having a range of 625, and a mana cost of 60- 80, where as Sona's Q has a mana cost of 45-65 while also have a range of 850, as well as having the potential to hit, two targets at once. Yeah, Disentegrate is on a lower cooldown, but that just means it's less effective.
Sarutobi3 votesWhile i do like Sona, and a HeartSeeker skin for her is pretty cool. There are better champs who need a new skin that could have worked with it. Like Taric. Despite having a pink skin already, this could have been much more detailed and actually have a skin that changes his skills!
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesTaric isn't getting anything until his rework hits
Sarutobi7 votesTaric isn't getting anything until his rework hits
Honestly i stop believing them when they claim the same thing about Evelynn and low and below she got a new skin. The fact remains that champions have been out for years and still have little to no skins (especially in detail/high tier like other champions) yet champions who already have a huge number of skins or high detail skins get more and more.
Uiraya1 voteslow and below
uh
RowanEnd2 votesI'm not denying that it's a nice skin. I'm angry that she's getting another skin when she got one recently and there are other champs that haven't gotten a skin in 2+ years.
Pika3106 votesI'm more angry that Rito has openly stated that they do not intend for her to actually be a playable character and Rito's severe mistreatment of both the character and her players which is factually nothing short of Business Misconduct.
Twiggles2 votesYou keep saying things like "unplayable" and now "Business Misconduct" when talking about Sona. I really don't think these things mean what you think they mean.
