Needlessly pedantic about Eve and Succubi

Rebonack·9/24/2017, 5:21:06 AM·70 votes·3,715 views

I'm a big fan of folklore. I feel enduring ideas that arose across cultures resonate with people for a reason and make a great jumping off point for character creation in fantasy settings like League's. That said, I also feel inclined to mention something that pretty much 100% will not matter to most everyone.

So.

A succubus.

It's a demon that lures men by being attractive and then feeds on them, right? Well, not really. Not if we're talking the creature from European folklore rather than the D&D monster you'll find in the Monster Manual between Quasit and Vrock. In folklore, the succubus could be lumped into the general category of hags. Things that preyed on sleeping people and were used to explain sleep paralysis and nocturnal emission. A succubus, specifically, collected jizz from sleeping dudes and used it to make demon babies.

Seriously. Because mythology is weird.

The D&D succubus, by contrast, is an ambush predator. Sort of like mimics and ropers. But instead of pretending to be a treasure chest or a harmless stalagmite, a succubus pretends to be an imperiled damsel in distress. Once rescued, when the party Bard tries to fuck her, he gets level drained instead. Poor guy. This image of what a succubus is resonated with players quite a bit more than the old jizz-collector (gee, wonder why) and meme'd its way into basically every single fantasy setting that has arisen since.

Obviously Eve isn't a folklore-style succubus. She really isn't a D&D style succubus, either. She's not an ambush predator that passively waits for folks to let their guard down. If her teaser trailer is any indication, she lures people off with her allure and then reveals her true face, slaying them. As it so happens, there's a class of folklore critters that fits that to a T. They're generally referred to as 'Wild Women' and they happen to be the same class of creatures that the kumiho (Ahri) falls into.

In fact, there's a creature that almost exactly fits Eve's style and I was SUPER excited to see her teaser playing to that. The baobhan sith from Scottish mythology appeared as a beautiful, pale woman in the wilderness who used her beauty to lead men off into wilds. Once they were far from help, she would reveal her horrifying true form and devour them. That kind of maliciousness and allure matches Eve's themes perfectly.

Does any of this really matter at all? Nah, not really. But as a folklore fan it was a pretty big deal to me. Thanks Riot.

82 Comments

Larkreck9/24/2017, 3:03:27 PM33 votes

So what you're telling me is that we need an actual succubus champ with the ability to transform into something very desirable to lure the enemy players in and jump them... Like a cannon minion, or a control ward, right? [sg-syndra]

ModKnightsKemplar9/24/2017, 3:41:02 PM13 votes

Excellent post. This is the sort of thing that I think it's really helpful to point out to people.

I wasn't mad about how Evelynn turned out (just based on what we know so far), but thanks for sharing your expertise! With any luck, some other people will feel better after seeing this, too.

A Superb Villain9/24/2017, 6:01:52 AM9 votes

Folklore is fun and interesting, but damn if it isn't exhausting given the sheer quantity of information it encompasses.

Eternal7919/24/2017, 6:27:39 AM9 votes

While you make a good put, what do you bet Riot was thinking succubus when they designed rework Evelynn? It's likely a more widely known thing than a baobhan sith.

Great read though, I enjoyed reading about some different folklore things I had no idea existed... in folklore... hopefully.

LunSeiSleidee9/24/2017, 3:23:32 PM3 votes

If you really were a folklore fan, you would know that the sexist myth of the woman who seduces men to kill them is an ancient trope that has not much to do with succubi, but is more of a general theme when it comes to a female monster or spirit.

The sirens. The water sprites. The fox spirits. All folklores are filled with tales of hot babes who kill men because they are hot.

And, like with all folklore, this tells a lot about society and our nature.