Maybe I'm missing something here, but does Leona and Diana feel too similar to Kayle and Morgana?

5G8Nri0B54·Nov 20, 2014·3 votes·1,024 views

Girl on girl relationship wise that is. Granted, Kayle's a little more holier than thou, but at the base of it, the "darker" girl isn't evil so much as rebellious and sees the error of the "light faction". They try to rebel but got cast out by their light counter-part.

...also I find it kind of amusing that a Diana would ever lose to Leona...assuming they were both balanced that is. I bet that Sightstone and other support items will so give Leona that dueling edge against Diana in their epic confrontation. :p

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LordHippomanNov 20, 20142 votes

I think Leona and Diana are a little better explained. We know what Leona stands for and why Diana decided to leave the Solari. We have reason to sympathize with Diana, but maybe not agree with her stance.

Kayle is part of a government. Morgana does not like the government. She used evil bad magic. That's about as far as they go. Everything that's bad about Kayle we hear from Morgana's (biased) mouth, and vice versa. We don't actually know what Kayle stands for or why Morgana's magic is forbidden, we're just told it is. I hope that gets expanded on.

JustGotFiredNov 20, 20141 votes

Maybe Morgana is watching over Diana and Kayle is watching over Leona... :OOOOOOOOOOO

Diana x MeNov 20, 20141 votes

It seems the same but, it is different in a lot of ways. Where as Morgana and Kayle were once sisters whom were very close but, gradually grew apart and eventually split away completely due to a disagreement.

I'm kinda fanatical about Diana so I can definitely say I'm a leading expert on her lore and everything else in between about her. Diana and Leona were not close. But, Diana looked up to Leona as a role model as someone to strive to be like.( It was not an Eros attraction like people want it to so badly be. Its just the most liked form of fanfiction but it's not canon.) Leona had power, was accepted and loved by everyone and Diana wanted the same thing. Diana saw her as a paragon of everything that was good. Diana tried to do everything in her power to gain the acceptance of her people and to get them to acknowledge the power of the moon. While at the same time tried to find away to reach her goals. Which is why she spent so much time researching and looking for the Lunari. The Solari would not listen, she was abused and punished harshly/ often for any heretical quip or thought. Eventually Diana found what she was looking for and brought the evidence of the Lunar is existence to the elders. She was marked a heretic and sentenced to death. In the end she got the power that she wanted but, not the acceptance and love of her people. She now basically wages a jihad on the Solari while also having to kill the person she looked up to all her life,

GreenLoreNov 20, 20141 votes

I think ginga meant more in a general way.

There are obviously some differences(especially since we know much more about Leona and diana than Kayle and Morgana and since leona and diana aren't releated)

However the basic premise of these conflicts is quite similar. We have in both cases 2 women as rivals in a conflict which is pretty much grey vs gray:

One of the women wears a golden armor who looks like the obviously good one and who pretty much falls into lawful good category,despite her actual faction having a questionable morality.(In kayles case i remember that it was once said that she is one of the undoubtly good champs)

The other one opposes the golden one,was punished by her people(note how morgana was marked as a fallen?),is pretty bitter and wants to bring about a change to their society.

5G8Nri0B54Nov 21, 20141 votes

Yeah pretty much this.

Yeah yeah I know that two of them are angels and the other two are astrology obsessed fangirls, I know that one pair is ranged and the other pair is melee.

But strip down the trivial detail and they're almost the same at their core.

GreenLoreNov 20, 20141 votes

Did you read about that in my thread^^? Because I started recently a discussion about the 2 where i mentioned how these conflicts are kinda similar.

Overall I'd say they could differentiate these 2 conflicts a bit more by expanding on the kayle vs morgana conflict(since we don't have much information about this one).

I mean they made the conflict between lunari and solari appear to be pretty grey,but it is a bit hard for me to cheer for diana as leona is an undoubtly good person and that most solari actually don't know about the injustice that happened to diana(or whatever happened to the lunari),so you can't really say they are guilty of anything.

In the case between kayle and Morgana I'd like it if the conflict would become even more grey than before. We need to see both Kayles and Morganas factions do some good and some bad stuff,so that you can see either of them as right or wrong. I think this needs to extent to the characters themselves,I think Kayle would fit pretty well into the "Lawful neutral"-zone of the morality-spectrum even though it was once said that she was undoubtly good(this could happen through character development I mean kayles lore even mentions how she uses her helmet to isolate herself a bit,so it isn't that far off)

Diana x MeNov 20, 20141 votes

I'm not so sure about all of that. Leona is not head of the Solari. The elders still rule and the people listen to the elders without question. For example Pantheon was ordered to execute Leona by Elder jager at the right of Kor when she refused to kill her friend Malik.

You have to remember they are all still Rakkorians at heart. They are warriors bred for battle, they live for war and it's all they know. Violence and bloodshed are normal to them it's in their nature. Even if they retire they still have these qualities they will be harsh and violent. These people are not pacifist. They will want revenge for what Diana has done.

Which is partly why I do not see what Diana is doing as wrong. I am looking at it all from their cultural view. I mean these people kill half of the population born in the right of Kor.

GreenLoreNov 22, 20141 votes

Actually Dianas lore makes it sound like she killed ALL the solari elders.Her lore doesn't say she returned to some of the solari elders,but merely says "she returned to the elders",which sounds to me like that were all of the elders.(and Jagen was most likely not a solari elder,but an elder of the rakkor in general,thats why he oversaw the ritual where leona had to kill another rakkor,despite the solari having nothing to do with the war-rituals of the rakkor) The Solari most likely got some new leaders by now,though

Also i find it a bit hypocritical to say that one of the reasons why you think diana is in the right is because the solari are related to the war-loving rakkor,despite the fact that Diana was also born as a Solari,so she herself is related to the rakkor too. Not to mention that the solari retired the ways of war already and that those who are born as one have generations of peaceful ancestors.

Diana x MeNov 22, 20141 votes

Actually Dianas lore makes it sound like she killed ALL the solari elders.Her lore doesn't say she returned to some of the solari elders,but merely says "she returned to the elders",which sounds to me like that were all of the elders.(and Jagen was most likely not a solari elder,but an elder of the rakkor in general,thats why he oversaw the ritual where leona had to kill another rakkor,despite the solari having nothing to do with the war-rituals of the rakkor) The Solari most likely got some new leaders by now,though

Also i find it a bit hypocritical to say that one of the reasons why you think diana is in the right is because the solari are related to the war-loving rakkor,despite the fact that Diana was also born as a Solari,so she herself is related to the rakkor too. Not to mention that the solari retired the ways of war already and that those who are born as one have generations of peaceful ancestors.

Ok even if she did kill all of them i am are sure they will replace them so my point stands. My point about Jagen was that they listen to the elders and no one else. They are the leaders.

They take their roots with them. You don't just suddenly forget all that you were taught and suddenly adopt new policies etc. once you stop fighting in battles and "retire". The Solari are not going to go to battle no that's not what i am saying otherwise they wouldn't have the tag of "peaceful". But, they will still have that way of the warrior aspect ingrained into everything. If they are so peaceful and such pacifist then why does Leona have weapons and armor? Why did she train under them and not continue under the Rakkor? Why did they decide to kill Diana instead of putting her in prison or whatever. They did not stop being warriors just because they retire and no longer go out to battle. Where does it say they no longer follow any of their rituals or that they no longer train or that they no longer have all those values that the rakkor have? They stopped going to battle. That's it.

Okay, i shouldn't exactly say she is in the right. Because i suppose that would be a false statement considering the fact that in war their is no clearly defined good and evil. What i am saying is that what she is doing is completely natural in their culture. Killing is what the Rakkor do. Its not like you don't realize that when you are wielding a weapon you could slay someone with it when you are training . You also can't expect a Rakkor warrior current or former to sit at a table and discuss diplomacy instead of killing their enemy when given the choice.

Believe what you want i don't care. However, i am stopping here since i don't want to use this guys post as a place to argue with you.

GreenLoreNov 22, 20141 votes

these roots as you call them are pretty old.We see with leona that even people who are born as rakkor aren't naturally warriors or killers(its just that those who aren't able to become good ones will be killed),now the solari have generations that lived peacefully,why would they be violent from their birth on? However living peaceful doesn't mean they are defenseless,thats why leona has such a heavy armor with a giant shield,cause she is a defender.

Last but not least we don't even know why the elders were so focused on keeping everything about the moon secret,so it is hard to judge why they did what they did,but considering that diana was able to instantly power up enough to kill them all,they might have tried to kill her before she had the chance to get the blessing of the moon and to become too powerful to capture(or they might have simply not wanted to have information about this spreading,I mean if she is in prison she can still talk with the guards and so on,leaking the information to others)

Diana x MeNov 22, 20141 votes

meh. may as well finish it here so i don't have to keep talking about it.

Did you think that maybe Diana's parents were those that just came out of the Rakkor? It just says that she was born into the Solari, not her parents. ( i wish they would go a little more in depth about the champions families and stuff, it would make things a lot more interesting.) Anyway, her parents probably had those values etc. and Diana picked up on them but, repressed them i suppose because it was proper in the Solari. Diana knows how to fight obviously and her parents probably taught that to her.