Top 10 • Most powerful champions lore-wise

Macilento·Mar 26, 2015·14 votes·8,636 views

Hey guys, this is a bit of a personal list, im not a deep lore nerd (this game doesnt have much consinstent lore anyway), but anyway it's fun to see that in the lore there are some champions that in theory are so damn powerful compared to others, so in true GD spirit we should make a list.

List your own top ten, with the first being the strongest in your opinion, for fun and to share some opinions.

Here is my top 10:

1 • 2 • 3 • 4 • 5 • 6 • 7 • 8 • 9 • and 10 •

117 Comments

Ebonmaw DragonMar 26, 20159 votes

Welll, after reading post, here is my Top (not) 10 is:

1 Bard -Celestial Being-

2 Xerath -Ascended-

3 Chogath RekSai Renekton Nasus Azir -The most powerful Void Champs, and The other Ascendants-

4 Velkoz Aatrox -Another Powerful creature of the Void and one of the last Darkins. Mordekaiser seems to be stronger than the rest of the creatures from the shadow isles (exept, maybe Vilemaw and The Ruined King)-

5 Karthus Kalista Hecarim -The most powerful spirits of the shadow isles

6 Veigar Syndra -Veigar and Syndra have the potential to reach the power of Bard or Xerath... However, Lissandra is closer in power to the Ruined King and she has an army-

7 Anivia Khazix -Brand is powerful, but he was defeated By Demacians and maybe even Lissandra. Anivia may be more powerful than Lissandra... but then again, Liss has an army. Kha has a similar potential to Veigar or Syndra, but in a more... physical way (instead of magic) he can evolve constantly and we dont know his "final form"-

8 Soraka Kayle Morgana -Other Celestial Being, but way less powerful. 2 "aliens" with a lot of age.

9 Ryze Thresh Maokai Lulu -This is a weird place... Thresh (and Maokai) is not powerful as a general of the shadow isles (or the king) but he is powerful. We dont know many things about Ryze, but he has that weird magic and his scroll. Lulu, like Ryze, uses a weird magic... and she can transform anything/anyone into a flower... and... Lulu > flowers. Kassadin and Malzahar defeated Karthus once and they are humans with Void powers. -

10 Zac Viktor Heimerdinger Swain Tryndamere Ashe Sejuani JarvanIV Zilean Leblanc Leona Diana Karma Irelia Elise Shen Zed summoner 30 summoner 7 -Smart People. Powerful persons. Leaders. ETC (Heal is Helmet Bro... because reasons).-

*Just because X champion is higher on the list, doesnt mean than Y champ cant defeat him... as mentioned before, Kassadin and Malzahar defeated Karthus. Zilean is invincible, but he is not powerful. Jax cant be put in the list because there is no info about him.

Tesla EffectMar 26, 20151 votes

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Welll, after reading post, here is my Top (not) 10 is:

1 -Cosmic Being-

2 -Ascended-

3 -The most powerful Void Champs, and The other Ascendants-

4 -Another Powerful creature of the Void and one of the last Darkins-

5 -The most powerful spirits of the shadow isles ("Ruined King" is the blade))

6 -Veigar and Syndra have the potential to reach the power of Bard or Xerath... However, Lissandra is closer in power to the Ruined King and she has an army-

7 -Kassadin and Malzahar defeated Karthus once. Brand is powerfull, but he was defeated By Demacians and maybe even Lissandra. Anivia may be more powerful than Lissandra... but then again, Liss has an army-

8 Other cosmic being, but way less powerfull.

9 -This is a weird place... Tresh (and Maokai) is not powerful as a general of the shadow isles (or the king) but he is powerful. We dont know many things about Ryze, but he has that weird magic and his scroll. Lulu, like Ryze, uses a weird magic... and she can transform anything/anyone into a flower... and... Lulu > flowers-

10 -Smart People. Powerful persons. Leaders of Cities. ETC-

I agree with almost everything. But would probably swap places with RekSai & Khazix , or put the void champions in a lower tier (about the 7th place). Would probably be best if Velkoz was at the same power level as Cho Gath, seeing as he is almost the same size as him but has the intelligence factor.

The SoulforgedMar 27, 20154 votes

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I agree with almost everything. But would probably swap places with & , or put the void champions in a lower tier (about the 7th place). Would probably be best if Velkoz was at the same power level as Cho Gath, seeing as he is almost the same size as him but has the intelligence factor.

I'd actually say that chogath has much more intelligence than any of the other void champs considering he purposely let himself be captured, and he is secretly plotting things while those such as Kha or Rek are just killing random people for little reason. Vel'koz intelligence vs Cho'gath is pretty even imo, but Vel is more about gaining knoledge and Cho just plots stuff.

Painted CeltMar 28, 20151 votes

I just want to mention that Mordekaiser is a tier above the rest of the Shadow Isle's inhabitants. The lore specifically states that he predates the Shadow Isles, and the lore strongly suggests that he was responsible for transforming the Isles and their denizens into what they are now.

Just going by lore, I would say that Mordekaiser is stronger than any of the currently released Void champions. He is likely weaker than ascended/cosmic beings, however, there isn't really enough information in the lore to say that with certainty.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 28, 20151 votes

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I just want to mention that is a tier above the rest of the Shadow Isle's inhabitants. The lore specifically states that he predates the Shadow Isles, and the lore strongly suggests that he was responsible for transforming the Isles and their denizens into what they are now.

Just going by lore, I would say that Mordekaiser is stronger than any of the currently released Void champions. He is likely weaker than ascended/cosmic beings, however, there isn't really enough information in the lore to say that with certainty.

He may be stronger than Hecarim (even if they are both Generals) or Karthus ... But Kalista has increased her power with the time (and the souls that she has "collected") and we have almost 0 info about the King.

However, we know that King > Generals > pawns... so, i dont think that Morde has more power than The Ruined King.

Stars ShaperMar 28, 20151 votes

Mordekaiser power to enslave souls can bascially make Kalista a thousand time slave. Ingame he is limited to one but as we know he managed to get a whole harbour in one single harvest during one harrowing.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 28, 20151 votes

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power to enslave souls can bascially make a thousand time slave. Ingame he is limited to one but as we know he managed to get a whole harbour in one single harvest during one harrowing.

Fair point....

Stars ShaperMar 29, 20152 votes

If Narrative/Lore team would take this bit of time to explain more about SI (and expecially morde) we might be able to make a better list xD

FasmodeyMar 29, 20151 votes

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If Narrative/Lore team would take this bit of time to explain more about SI (and expecially morde) we might be able to make a better list xD

A list from a rioter would be awesome.

Stars ShaperMar 29, 20152 votes

They're never going to do that because of fanbase problems xD

Imagine the uproar when a Red has to say: "Zed is a powerful ninja but he is quite weak compared to all the immortals/demigods/elementals being that roam in Runeterra"

FasmodeyMar 29, 20151 votes

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They're never going to do that because of fanbase problems xD

Imagine the uproar when a Red has to say: "Zed is a powerful ninja but he is quite weak compared to all the immortals/demigods/elementals being that roam in Runeterra"

Are there any fanboys think Zed is extremely powerful? A bacteria in Nasus' eyes.

Stars ShaperMar 29, 20152 votes

There is a sort of idolatry about Zed that can be spot in 90% of the "Zed new skin" threads and how ppl envision him. He is seen as the sort of character that appears in SIngle Player fantasy games where a guy with a knife and some powers is the best and can defeat divinities with the strenght of coolness and badass appearance.

Chaos689Dec 8, 20151 votes

"Fanboy"...Fandog

FasmodeyDec 8, 20151 votes

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"Fanboy"...Fandog

8 months ago lol.

Chaos689Dec 8, 20151 votes

Info about King: He was a mortal king who was driven to madness b ythe poisoning of his wife, sent kalista out to find cure, but wife died before she returned. Whne she got back, they all wne to Blessed isles to beg for a "cure" for death bc kind is craycray. Then i don't remember, i think the queen tells the king to let her rest bc shes in pain and then hecarim has to choose and decides to betray kalista and side wiht the insane king, literally stabs her in the back wiht his cavalry then the king casts a spell which turns the Isles into an undead island and heca, kalista, etc are now spirits. This also broke the seals n a: thresh's corpse and prison, where he became undead and finally could indulge his appetite for torture, and also allow morde's lches to revive him by finding his bones which were hindden on isles. Yr Wlcm if you ever see this...

Ebonmaw DragonDec 8, 20151 votes

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Info about King: He was a mortal king who was driven to madness b ythe poisoning of his wife, sent kalista out to find cure, but wife died before she returned. Whne she got back, they all wne to Blessed isles to beg for a "cure" for death bc kind is craycray. Then i don't remember, i think the queen tells the king to let her rest bc shes in pain and then hecarim has to choose and decides to betray kalista and side wiht the insane king, literally stabs her in the back wiht his cavalry then the king casts a spell which turns the Isles into an undead island and heca, kalista, etc are now spirits. This also broke the seals n a: thresh's corpse and prison, where he became undead and finally could indulge his appetite for torture, and also allow morde's lches to revive him by finding his bones which were hindden on isles. Yr Wlcm if you ever see this...

This post was made like.... NINE MONTHS AGO.

Chaos689Dec 8, 20151 votes

Nope even hecarim is stronger, he cannot e destroyed, morde just enslaves weak souls nd can be put down forever by destroying his bones (hello lucian, got a job for you)..or ghostbusters

StellarPrimeMar 31, 20151 votes

I realize this post is 5 days ago but I'm actually offended & dumbfounded u didn't even include Zyra in your tier 8 or above.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 31, 20151 votes

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I realize this post is 5 days ago but I'm actually offended & dumbfounded u didn't even include in your tier 8 or above.

Aww come on... she is a plant! How powerful a plant can be? Even a cow can eat h....

-The writer of this post was brutally killed by a plant before finish.-

StellarPrimeMar 31, 20151 votes

Also here I'll do a little bit of the work for you. I'm not saying you have to read these or anything but I'm not lying when I say that there's actually some really intriguing information here. There's a lot of reading though. So once (if) you finish all of it come tell me your opinion of her being just a plant hasn't changed ;) Obviously she's a plant, but what kind of plant are we/Valoran dealing with?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2417036 http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2372033 http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2340191 http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2347895&page=1#post26843621 (this one has her in-game lore at the bottom of the post) http://zeronis.deviantart.com/art/Zyra-Ideation-Sketches-1-340138974 Here's a little tidbit about her early design goals from Riot Zeronis http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2381121 On the Wiki on her page under "Skins/Trivia" all they have posted in regards to her lore:

Her goals are to experience the world from her new perspective. For a being so ancient to suddenly change in such a dramatic fashion, it's like a complete rebirth. In this way, basic survival is still an issue, because she is experiencing the world anew [2].

That and just that she also looks down on Maokai .

GreenLoreApr 2, 20151 votes

So yeah I went through the ama(the others have too many pages and no red trackers,so I just went through their opening posts) and informed myself a bit more about Zyra,but I generally don't see whats supposed to be so powerful about her. Yes Zyra is ancient,but ancient doesn't mean powerful. Yes her body is more plant than human,but that doesn't mean it is stronger.

She looks down on Maokai because of who Maokai is,because maokai isn't happy about being able to walk,not because of his strenght.And while others see her as a threat,they do that because they don't trust her(and someone of equal strenght is a threat anyway)

Overall there isn't much that makes her look that strong. I mean she is definetly not weak,but that goes for the others too and there isn't really much that sets her apart from the other champs.

StellarPrimeApr 4, 20151 votes

Well thanks for even reading them in the first place! I respect your opinion and I do agree with you on the Maokai thing. But IMO if there was a force that threatened her existence i.e. Lissandra , , or the Void would she really be helpless against those forces? I'd personally like to think she's got what it takes to guard herself and/or her territory through her command over natural forces :/

I'm sure you're tired of me rambling on bout this lol but I'm just trying to go about this in a logical manner. If you have time maybe share your opinion on how much she's capable of? Part of the reason I included her on my SPECIAL TIER list is because I see her having a lot of potential. I mean she's the only "nature queen" in the LoL universe.

GreenLoreApr 4, 20151 votes

Np,I don't have anything against a discussion about thi

In the lore she would probably be able to grow a forest or a grove or something like that for herself and while she would be incredibly powerful there,that would be more of a home field advantage(as I doubt she could grow something like this in an instant). However she probably can't expand something like that as much as she wants or even support it endlessly.Why?Well first of all,even if a forest is full of dangerous plants,there are ways to prevent it from further spreading(if nothing helps,they could still burn it down),so I doubt this would actually be a serious threat for a nation. Then there is the fact that when Zyra was a plant she had problems to actually support her own life because there weren't enough resources.A forest made by her could very well run into the same problem as they would most likely be rather similar to her original plant form.

And outside of that?I doubt she could grow that much instantly and her plants aren't that powerful either.She herself is also quite squishy,if she fights against a ranged enemy,then a few good shots could take her out(and her plants don't grow instantly giving her opponents time to react.

In the end I'd say Zyra is by no means defenseless.In the end she is a powerful champion.But I simply wouldn't rank her among the top tiers.

StellarPrimeApr 4, 20151 votes

So then probably like a tier 2 or 3 for you? In terms of sheer power I completely agree that some champs would outdo her, especially since she's not invulnerable like champs such as Xerath . The "special tier" I made way up above in this thread wasn't to show power but the scale of influence that some champs individually could have on Valoran. I'm just curious about how you'd organize your list ;) as I don't see one on this thread from you.

GreenLoreApr 5, 20151 votes

Well the thing is that I'd doubt that Zyra is able to affect the world like that. She might claim some small desolated place as her territory,but I doubt she could expand it,because in the end even a forest made by her wouldn't stand a chance against an army of humans.

Especially in some cases,she wouldn't be able to do much,I mean the freljord is quite cold,so i doubt her plants could really grow there,Shurima is the opposite with lots of sand,barely any water and a burning sun,she wouldn't be able to grow much in shurima either. Then there is Zaun who could destroy a forest made by her with their chemical weapons. The shadow isles are an island of death,where the last bit of life(maokai) had to flee,so she couldn't do much against them either. and the other nations could in the end simply resort to burning her plants down if necessary.

StellarPrimeApr 5, 20151 votes

Sigh...okay :( I always saw her plants as having a somewhat magical nature and not so easily affected by either cold or heat. And about the human army thing.. I was thinking that they'd be decimated by thorny vines and man eating plants xD. Thanks for the discussion though! :D

GreenLoreApr 5, 20151 votes

Np.

But in the end thats just the way I see it,I mean we have almost nothing in terms of lore,so it is hard to tell how strong Zyra is in the lore.

MacilentoApr 16, 20151 votes

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Np.

But in the end thats just the way I see it,I mean we have almost nothing in terms of lore,so it is hard to tell how strong Zyra is in the lore.

Zyra is hard to judge, not only her but other people like Brand or Anivia, their power is not really clear

GreenLoreApr 16, 20151 votes

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Zyra is hard to judge, not only her but other people like Brand or Anivia, their power is not really clear

Well I'd actually say that Brand is a bit easier to judge,because he was actually defeated by the demacian military in his lore.(I think it were Garen and Lux who defeated him).Sure that lore is going to be changed some time in the future,but it is likely that his overall power will remain the same.

Chaos689Dec 8, 20151 votes

Yo bud a: kalista isn't that powerful, she hasn't ended hecarim yet...shes just a spirit wit ha spear, and Morde is nowhere near this list, if you read deep lore, he has his old bones hidden on the shadow isles and if they are destroyed then he cannot be resurrected from his death.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 8, 20151 votes

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Yo bud a: kalista isn't that powerful, she hasn't ended hecarim yet...shes just a spirit wit ha spear, and Morde is nowhere near this list, if you read deep lore, he has his old bones hidden on the shadow isles and if they are destroyed then he cannot be resurrected from his death.

Mordekaiser is above the rest of the undeads, and i made that list 9 MONTHS AGO, BEFORE HIS LORE CHANGE. And Kalista IS powerfull since she can be anywere in Runeterra if people call her, she is not restricted by the fog.

Chaos689Dec 12, 20151 votes

So? You can call her. She may be lethal to humans, but heca kiled her by stabbign her, and Morde: i took that from Shadow and Fortune, WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE READ...it gives lots of lore for thresh, morde, kali, and hec

Ebonmaw DragonDec 12, 20151 votes

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So? You can call her. She may be lethal to humans, but heca kiled her by stabbign her, and Morde: i took that from Shadow and Fortune, WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE READ...it gives lots of lore for thresh, morde, kali, and hec

I will repeat myself: No one has read Shado and Fortune in this thread because this thread WAS MADE 8 MONTHS BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THAT STORY

And Heca killed her when she was human, not now that is the avatar of death.

RazorTSMar 26, 20157 votes

Karthus His Requiem kills every living creature in the world ;)

Ebonmaw DragonMar 26, 20157 votes

I truly disagree with this list:

Bard is way more powerful than Xerath , considering the power sources of both beings. Bard is a Celestial Being that has the power of the cosmos. Xetath is a Arcane Being that reached his power thanks to the Sun Disk. The Sun Disc uses the power of the Sun... and the Sun is a small star of the Cosmos...

Syndra its just potential, other champions with the same or more potential are Veigar and Annie

Aatrox Everyone thinks that he is the avatar of war, and a immortal, but the truth is that he is part of a endangered species called "the darkin". If the darkins are unkillable, answer me: Why the hell there are only 5 of them alive?

Canonically, he is dead until a lore change. Killed by Demacians.

Kalista is more powerful than other creatures from the shadow isles, but the creatures from the shadow isles CAN be killed. Lucian kills a lot of them for real (and in the old lore, Karthus was killed by Kassadin and Malzahar (but resurrected by summoners)) ( Thresh is also "killeable" considering that)

Nasus and Renekton should be more powerfull than Azir , even if he is the actual emperor, both of them have more experience, and the same "power source".

Chogath should be above a lot of "mortals" in this list. He is one of the strongest creatures from the Void.... even the summoners in the old lore had problems with him... a half of him.

NemeBroSep 5, 20151 votes

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lol

SEKAIMar 26, 20156 votes

Why are Nasus, Renek and Azir so low on the list?

They are immortals bud, even IF they can't win, they will never lose.

Nasus controls life and death itself, there is no reason he isn't #1 or #2.

MacilentoMar 26, 20152 votes

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Why are Nasus, Renek and Azir so low on the list?

They are immortals bud, even if they can't win, they will never lose.

Yeah probably they should be higher now that i think about it

GreenLoreMar 26, 201511 votes

I dunno why everyone assumes that nasus has power over life and death itself. His skills absorb the life force of his victims,but thats basically it and even then there'd be the question how far his control over these things go.

I mean zilean manipulates time,but that doesn't mean he can time travel or turn anyone back into a baby.

Also there are various stages of immortality. The ascended don't need to drink,eat,sleep and won't age,but that doesn't mean you can't kill them,I mean it would be kinda weird if Nasus,Azir and Renekton were the only ascended to ever exist.Immortality isn't even that special among the champs,since others have it too,like Lissandra(and most likely Braum),Xerath,Zilean,Bard,Aatrox(and the other darkin probably too),Brand,Anivia,everyone who is undead and probably many void champs too(Since it seems that Rek'sai was already a threat to shurima during the time when renekton was still human) and I probably missed quite a few here too.

SeekêrSep 4, 20151 votes

Nasus and renekton are the originial ascended guardians. That's why they were the ones to trap xerath. Nasus is basically a god. I think the only one that might be More powerful than him is bard. Bard seems to transcend time as a guardian of runeterra, so I think he must be pretty powerful.

GreenLoreSep 4, 20151 votes

Nasus&Renekton together weren't able to stop Xerath. I dunno how either of them could be more powerful than xerath.

Aside from that the lore(neither the new one,nor the old one) never implied that Nasus was anything more than a strong fighter with some magic powers.

NarasimhaMar 26, 20156 votes

They are immortals bud, even IF they can't win, they will never lose.

Just to jump in, there are various forms of immortality. The most commonly known one is essentially 'invulernability', immunity to anything and everything. This is also the rarest, because it is at godly levels of power. There is also the 'hyper regeneration' variant, where the body can technically die, but heals at a rate fast enough to ignore pretty much everything. Think Wolverine. The most common form is 'immortality against time', where the person does not age, and cannot die from natural causes (disease, old age, etc). However, they are still vulnerable to mortal wounds. If you cut off their head, they will die. They usually have an accelerated healing rate, but not as fast as the 2nd form. I believe the Ascended fit into this area.

LeeDarkMar 27, 20151 votes

And yet you give no justification for classifying the Ascended as merely immune to the ravages of time. I'd say it is pretty clear they are at least level 2, and I'd probably argue for their invulnerability.

NarasimhaMar 27, 20152 votes

Renekton stands as proof against type 2. Hyper regeneration (typically) grants resistance against mental damage as well as physical, and Renekton is pretty clearly broken. Which means that either (in the current lore), Xerath completely shattered his mind to where a type 2 could not recover from, or more likely that he wasn't type 2 at all. Type 1 (full immortality) also tend to show the same mental resistance. This means that Renekton, and therefor the other Ascended by extension, are most likely type 3 immortals.

To be fair, these are only three types that I've mentioned. There are others, such as immortality though a pact (Immortality while certains conditions are fulfilled), immortality through reincarnation (a person can die, but will return to life in another body with the same physical features and memory), and so on and so forth. Still, I do believe that the idea I proposed is the most likely in the context.

AlljoyMar 26, 20156 votes

Pretty sure Satan should be at the top. Teemo

General VeersMar 26, 20156 votes

Kayle Morgana

Kayle and Morgana are both immortal, according to their lore.

Kayle is over 10,000 years old, so is likely quite knowledgeable/skilled. She has enchanted OP alien armour, and is the strongest warrior of her kind. She can travel between worlds. She's a leader/ambassador of her people, and has favour with the League leadership. She's also quite a babe.

I'd say she's the strongest because she's got extreme power in every major area. And becuase she's my main <3

MacilentoMar 26, 20153 votes

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Kayle and Morgana are both immortal, according to their lore.

Kayle is over 10,000 years old, so is likely quite knowledgeable/skilled. She has enchanted OP alien armour, and is the strongest warrior of her kind. She can travel between worlds. She's a leader/ambassador of her people, and has favour with the League leadership. She's also quite a babe.

I'd say she's the strongest because she's got extreme power in every major area. And becuase she's my main <3

I guess it's hard to go against that.. : >

Tesla EffectMar 26, 20152 votes

Fun fact: All of those top most powerful champions can be killed so they ant that powerful.