"The Harrowing can happen any time of the year!" -Riot...

ModAttysu The Poro··107 votes·6,299 views

Each calendar year, the celestial bodies of Runeterra align in a particular astronomical event. This lengthy occasion - beginning with a partial eclipse on the 18th of October and culminating in a full solar eclipse on the 31st of October - is of one of the most significant holidays in Valoran. The alignment occurs annually around the time of the harvest, and is known as the Harrowing due to its dusky setting. For obvious reasons, the occasion is marked by superstitions surrounding the world's dark denizens, creepy crawlies, and things that generally go bump in the night.

While rural folks still believe that this is a time of great foreboding, most of Valoran has taken to commemorating the Harrowing through a bit of good, clean fun. Citizens of the city-states don monstrous costumes and exchange holiday sweets with one another as part of the revelry. Large costume parties, where patrons wear either light or dark costumes (with the intention of either warding off or confusing evil) are quite popular, and those of opposite colors are encouraged to exchange gifts with one another. However they're celebrating, all across Valoran, spirits are as high as the night is long.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Harrowing

Where you at tho Riot. We don't want Zombocalypse we want Harrowing. Don't make us call Volvo on you like DIreTide.

Edit #1: My point isn't to get this huge lore event, nor is it to ignore the retcon they did. But the Harrowing was first and foremost for players to celebrate Halloween in game with friends with new skins, getting people into the holiday's mood, new featured gamemode to play with friends, icons, wards, etc. Ignore the lore for a second. Why would a Halloween event be celebrated in July? Their logic in general is flawed. As I stated in the comments;

Might as well celebrate Snowdown in July!

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Edit #2: Apparently I'm a 2 year old on Reddit for wanting an event when it was intended to be given to us, like every other year prior. Look, it's not a huge huge deal, I won't die over it, but this whole fiasco still majorly sucks.

Edit #3: Someone made a good point!

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If the Harrowing can happen at any time of year, rename it. You want the event to be Shadow Isles themed, then release Shadow Isle skins, not traditional Halloween ones.

Edit #4: Original post of my paraphrased title:

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/Grefbrd1-a-note-about-the-harrowing

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/fPoi9TfZ-about-the-harrowing

Edit #5:

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Hey everyone!

Some of you have questions around the Harrowing this year, and we wanted to give you a quick update:

In October, we shared that the Harrowing (and other seasonal events) are changing. You can check out the PBE Boards post here (sorry we didn’t post it to the main Boards as well, our bad).

In short: We’re releasing Legacy skins from past Harrowing events later this week. Zombie / Slayer skins are also rolling out soon, so get those chainsaws ready. We wanted to get you in the mood with a dark and terrifying tale of the unliving, “Shadow and Fortune: A Harrowing Story,” as well as updated biographies for some of our Shadow Isles champions.

And if you’re wondering about Snowdown, we have some great stuff in our bag of goodies that’ll look a little different from what you’ve previously seen. So hold on for info on that, we’ll share more once we have all the details sorted out.

So after the backlash you choose to post legacy skins, thank god you guys realized we want Harrowing skins back. As for Snowdown...

PLEASE don't fuck it up. It got to a new level of awesome last year, don't make it go from the top to rock bottom.

110 Comments

Kat Head21 votes

They gonna retcon that now, good job.

Yeah, Riot sucks.

Gib Harrowing.

Edit: Shened by that dude above me.

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

NOOOOO RITO DON'T RETCON SHHH. xD

Peridition18 votes

So basically they're going to pull a Cottontail Fizz and give us holiday skins at completely inappropriate times?

Cool. Can't wait for Trick or Treat Bard in June, or Heartseeker Kindred in September.

ModAttysu The Poro15 votes
LankPants1 votes

Hey man I don't see the problem with that...

ModAttysu The Poro7 votes

Me neither, but I'd still prefer Christmas to happen when it was made to happen.

Sharjo17 votes

Before Harrowing was Halloween.

Now the Harrowing is when Mordekaiser wants to fuck with mortals.

Harrowing =/= Halloween anymore. Lunar Revel =/= Chinese New Year. Snowdown =/= Christmas/New Years.

I mean in the grand scheme of things Runeterran time doesn't equate to real time anyway, since Burning Tides: Reckoning and Shadows and Fortune happened after a few days interval where as in earth time that was a few months. As a result in the lore what we just read might've been in April in universe.

I feel ok about this because I don't personally care if real world holidays are separate from Runeterran stuff. If you wanna do holiday stuff you don't need an excuse, just go do it. Harrowing, Snowdown and Lunar Revel can all be their own in universe things and we can still have real world holiday celebrations. I mean what the sod is Lunar Revel anyway? Why is Snowdown so damn important? I'd like to know beyond them just being the excuse for real world holiday celebrations, y'know?

Of course this year they're late on Harrowing which isn't great, in fact it's kinda dumb and I dunno why they're holding back, but I guess we'll find out next week, since that's when they'll probably release this stuff.

ModAttysu The Poro28 votes

The point was that they made those events for us to celebrate holidays in-game with fun events (new gamemode/annual gamemode) while getting small rewards related to the spirit of that Holiday. If it's not on the holiday it was originally made for, it's just some random thing they're doing, there's no charisma to it.

Not to mention the Harrowing had one small story that you had to research to find out existed, bio upgrades that shoulda been done when the retcon was made in the first place/have more clarity seeing as some of them were new releases, and a few skins that has to do with Zombie Killing, something that no one really cares about in the LoL community.

Overall, I don't care TOO much because I play other games with Halloween events, and just play that for my spooky fun, but it'll be nice to have some spirit in the holidays with my friends in game, playing Hexakill with full halloween skins like I did last year.

PS: I do like Lunar Revel on Chinese New Year, it makes people appreciate Chinese culture more (including me, who is obsessed with that holiday for no reason other than it's cool)

Skias7 votes

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Before Harrowing was Halloween.

Now the Harrowing is when Mordekaiser wants to fuck with mortals.

Harrowing =/= Halloween anymore. Lunar Revel =/= Chinese New Year. Snowdown =/= Christmas/New Years.

I mean in the grand scheme of things Runeterran time doesn't equate to real time anyway, since Burning Tides: Reckoning and Shadows and Fortune happened after a few days interval where as in earth time that was a few months. As a result in the lore what we just read might've been in April in universe.

I feel ok about this because I don't personally care if real world holidays are separate from Runeterran stuff. If you wanna do holiday stuff you don't need an excuse, just go do it. Harrowing, Snowdown and Lunar Revel can all be their own in universe things and we can still have real world holiday celebrations. I mean what the sod is Lunar Revel anyway? Why is Snowdown so damn important? I'd like to know beyond them just being the excuse for real world holiday celebrations, y'know?

Of course this year they're late on Harrowing which isn't great, in fact it's kinda dumb and I dunno why they're holding back, but I guess we'll find out next week, since that's when they'll probably release this stuff.

Its because we like to bring our real world celebrations into the games we play. We shouldnt even need to debate why people enjoy this when ingame celebrations occur on tons and tons of games.

The point is, Why not do an event when it will be most appreciated? Its not like the quality of what weve gotten this year has shown any benefit whatsoever.

It feels a lot like, we have a schedule conflict and we care more about our pros then we do our playerbase. That may not be the case, but thats sure as hell how it feels.

YuGiHo7 votes

Wow thats lame, every other game has been having Halloween events While also catering to their ESports sides and its been reall cool, but i guess a tiny company with no resources or funds cant handle it

ModAttysu The Poro6 votes

Even though they're one of the most popular and funded companies...

"We can't do it guys we have LCS to worry about even though there's these things called teams!"

Skias2 votes

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Even though they're one of the most popular and funded companies...

"We can't do it guys we have LCS to worry about even though there's these things called teams!"

That was a great post. Exactly. It feels like they cant meet deadlines or something, so were getting content in weird timing.

Axxlon7 votes

Wait a minute.

So you mean to tell me that Riot never clarified that the Harrowing is no longer associated with Halloween?

I'm sorry but that's downright deceitful. i.e., very unclear. A lot of people, including myself, were very confused as to what Riot meant by "it can happen at any time". 'Are they saying they want to do Halloween skins at any point of the year? Or what are they saying?'

That's my gripe with this whole fiasco. It seems like they aren't being very clear with what exactly they want out of the Harrowing. It doesn't help that it's happening ON halloween too xD

ModAttysu The Poro12 votes

Yep, they just retconned everything and assumed "Oh they'll know the Harrowing isn't a specific date anymore!" then when we had an outcry they were like "Oh you haven't figured it out? Our HALLOWEEN BASED EVENT isn't in Halloween anymore!"

okino7 votes

they've finally forgotten their own written lore -_-

Criomhthann7 votes

Snowdown

DAE remember when snowdown included snow? Both IRL and on the Rift?

RIP Holiday themed Rift.

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

Rip.

To be fair we lost snow on the rift in like 2012 when they stopped posting the holiday version of Summoner's Rift.

MeesterMoo1 votes

The snow melted because of all the salt

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

So much salt. Not enough containers.

Blade of Justic5 votes

inb4 "But, muh retcon!"

ModAttysu The Poro7 votes

Until they add new lore reasonings for why the Harrowing happens 'anytime of the year,' this is all we got. Either Riot fix their lore or we get out Harrowing tbh.

Arch Mage Magnus5 votes

Still dont know how one of the biggest video game companies in the world can just not put any effort into a halloween theme. Like, its one time of the year.

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

That was the first harrowing they did.

You seem to forget that last year, the Harrowing was changed to be the Black Mist that invades Bilgewater (and only there), not a Halloween knock off

ModAttysu The Poro7 votes

"During the Harrowing, the spirits of the Shadow Isles go forth within the Black Mist. Preying on the living, feeding the darkness."

Due to the preestablished date of when the Harrowing begins, they determine that the 18-31 is when the Black Mist expands, during the Harrowing.

redniwediS3 votes

The Harrowing is no longer that date. It had a date before because it was based on the eclipse cycle, but now it is simply when the Shadow Isles attacks Bilgewater. We don't know about the magical mechanics that allow for the Shadow Isles to leave and attack somewhere else, but it's possible to have multiple Harrowings in one year. If you're really unlucky you might even have them back to back.

ModAttysu The Poro13 votes

The point is the Harrowing, first and foremost, was a Halloween celebration in League. "Might as well have Hallowing in Summer and Chrismas in August!" is their logic. And this isn't only for Halloween, all holiday events are going by this rule now.

redniwediS2 votes

That's what it was, but the Retcon changed everything. There's no lore festivities tied to the Harrowing anymore, and thus the things that tied it to Halloween are gone.

ModAttysu The Poro11 votes

Then let us celebrate Snowdown in July and Lunar Revel in August! Cause retcon means holiday seasons don't exist to us players and LCS is more important.

Doctor Ivellius8 votes

Lore suggests that it's simply annual; I would say regular enough that people expect and plan for it around a certain time of year.

“This happens every year?” asked Olaf, one foot perched on the parapet with a reckless disregard for the dizzying drop.

Miss Fortune nodded.

It would be a weird response if it's "Well, it just happens whenever," and no one tells Olaf that his dream of coming back during it is impossible.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

The pre-established date was first set when the harrowing was nothing more than Halloween (also keep in mind that Runterra probably doesn't have the same dates as us)

Last year, as I said, they changed the Harrowing to be something that is actually dangerous, but it only happens in BIlgewater

Read the description of the old Harrowing:

Each calendar year, the celestial bodies of Runeterra align in a particular astronomical event. This lengthy occasion - beginning with a partial eclipse on the 18th of October and culminating in a full solar eclipse on the 31st of October - is of one of the most significant holidays in Valoran. The alignment occurs annually around the time of the harvest, and is known as the Harrowing due to its dusky setting. For obvious reasons, the occasion is marked by superstitions surrounding the world's dark denizens, creepy crawlies, and things that generally go bump in the night.

While rural folks still believe that this is a time of great foreboding, most of Valoran has taken to commemorating the Harrowing through a bit of good, clean fun. Citizens of the city-states don monstrous costumes and exchange holiday sweets with one another as part of the revelry. Large costume parties, where patrons wear either light or dark costumes (with the intention of either warding off or confusing evil) are quite popular, and those of opposite colors are encouraged to exchange gifts with one another. However they're celebrating, all across Valoran, spirits are as high as the night is long.

Now compare this to when they changed it to be about the Black Mist:

The Black Mist rolls over land and sea, seeking the living—leaving them helpless to the half-glimpsed horrors it carries. The poor souls return with the mist to the Shadow Isles. In time, they’ll forget friends and lovers, even themselves, becoming part of the terrible force that grows stronger as time goes on.

Does that sound like it's a time when "spirits are as high as the night is long"? No, not in the slightest. What they are doing is separating the story of the Harrowing from the celebration of Halloween, essentially giving us as players the old Harrowing, while the poor souls in BIlgewater get what the Harrowing actually is, as shown in "Shadow and Fortune"

ModAttysu The Poro8 votes

"essentially giving us as players the old Harrowing, while the poor souls in BIlgewater get what the Harrowing actually is, as shown in "Shadow and Fortune""

If they're giving both the old and new players different types of Harrowing while still keeping true to the Halloween-esque theme as you are implying, then why isn't it during Halloween season.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

THE IN GAME HALLOWEEN CELEBRATION IS STILL THERE AROUND HALLOWEEN!!

The Harrowing story can now be told at any time, as the Shadow Isles doesn't have to abide by an arbitrary set of dates because they happen to line up with a holiday in the real world.

ModAttysu The Poro9 votes

No re-releasing of old Harrowing skins.

No promitional page.

No new gamemodes (even rehashing Hexakill would be fine at this point)

Zombie skins that no one cares for (not their faults but still ZOMBIES?!)

Lore that we have to look up outselves just to see "Oh wait something is going on? Oh it's just a story that could 'be told at any time.'

This is not an event, this is half-assed work into saying "Hey there's still a Halloween celebration...! Sorta..."

Plus no clarity from the team on anything going on, other than skins and lore that you have to go on S@20 or their official page, they have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Skias8 votes

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THE IN GAME HALLOWEEN CELEBRATION IS STILL THERE AROUND HALLOWEEN!!

The Harrowing story can now be told at any time, as the Shadow Isles doesn't have to abide by an arbitrary set of dates because they happen to line up with a holiday in the real world.

If this is what we have to look forward to, thats very sad. Without harrowing being an actual event instead of a wall of text, this has been a meager holiday. I cant believe you actually think its a good idea to do a very halloween spooky even, which has been a halloween event since the game launched, on some random day.

Darius Strada4 votes

Getting ready to celebrate Snowdown in a sunny day of July

Krigjer4 votes

If the Harrowing can happen at any time of year, rename it. You want the event to be Shadow Isles themed, then release Shadow Isle skins, not traditional Halloween ones.

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

110% agree with you there.

Kinjishi3 votes

"The Harrowing can happen any time of the year!" So Worlds is replacing Harrowing and Harrowing is being shoved off to whenever during the year Riot wants to do it? Screw that.

Also, a source for your quote would go a long way - since you never provided one OP.

Blue Moon Wolf3 votes

If only there was a month between Halloween and Christmas they could move worlds to so it doesn't get in the way of a holiday they have events for. A month that might have a holiday that only involves one or two countries anyway, so it's okay to not acknowledge it. A month that heralds the change the of seasons and would be appropriate since after worlds is preseason for the following year.

Kinjishi2 votes

Just put Worlds mid-Sept. to mid-Oct. like it used to be. : )

Seekêr2 votes

No, what they mean is they don't want "themes" to even exist or be marked as a yearly thing. They want the freedom to release shadow isle skins or frejlord skins whenever the hell they want. I like this, I love underworld skins and im looking forward to seeing more.

Skias6 votes

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No, what they mean is they don't want "themes" to even exist or be marked as a yearly thing. They want the freedom to release shadow isle skins or frejlord skins whenever the hell they want. I like this, I love underworld skins and im looking forward to seeing more.

Too bad, its fall and halloween time to bust out the pool party skins. You need to wait till easter to get underworld skins.

ModAttysu The Poro3 votes

^

Took the words right out my mouth.

GreenLore1 votes

They do have some harrowing skins,but it looks like they completely forgot about making something out of them.

They'll probably keep celebrating halloween,they just won't do a harrowing-lore-event every year

I guess the delay for the halloween skins is the "we are doing this different this year,halloween content is coming step by step"

ModAttysu The Poro5 votes

I guess, but it sucks because people think like 3 skins and new lore you have to search for is an event. If a few new skins and updated bios are an event than people had a fuckin field day with the Project event, cause that must've been like being given a christmas gift on christmas eve.

Auroramancer1 votes

For the past two years the Harrowing has been the event of the Black Mist reaching out from the Shadow Isles. The Black Mist has no regard for seasons or times.

Why are you trying to lock down when the Black Mist does things? We still get our seasonal Halloween skins. And when the Black Mist decides to do its thing, we'll get Shadow Isles skins. Big-whoop dude.

ModAttysu The Poro8 votes

But them trying to pass off 3 skins no one knows about unless the actively look up what happened to the harrowing, plus bio updates that shoulda been done ANYWAY, plus lore that we have to actively look for on the site to find, as an annual Halloween-esque celebration, is lazy as shit.

WolfBV1 votes

Things change.

Milky Star5 votes

I like change, not so much when it sucks.

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