Confusion on Shyvana's design?

Overlord Forte··1 votes·1,969 views

Hello,

I've had this long standing confusion with what's going on with Shyvana Shyvana's design a bit. Way back in time, if we stretch to her original splash art, there's this odd inconsistency with her hip/thigh armor. Basically, we gather from her chest armor she's 'wearing' a piece of armor. Yet, if we go lower, the thigh plates start to ... meld into her skin? The armor acts as if they're huge scales, essentially.

Fast forward to her new splash art and we see the same theme continuing again. It's a lot more pronounced and defined here, too, so we can see it's basically apart of her body. Yet, at the same time, it's also wearable armor?

It's the only part of her that's super inconsistent in the message its sending. Her upper torso and shoulders are very clearly removable pieces of equipment, but her lower half's armor is seemingly fused straight to her. Its bugged me for a long time now, doubly so since her in-game model actually seems to treat as if it's being strapped down, so thus a full piece of removable armor.

Soo, what's the deal, then?

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Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Magic, Dragon Magic.

Igotlazy1 votes

Maybe her body just makes detachable Armor? Kinda like shedding skin.... only armor... and you can put it back on.... idk.

Vesarixx1 votes

Maybe the Armor pieces are made to match her scales

sealust1 votes

I thought I was the only one with this confusion T.T

Like, the scales that we see (if the dark spots are scale) on her skin are deep purple, I'd assume the scales would stay in this tone if they grow or expand. Her other skins and the color suggest she would not grow scale this large due to her mixed blood and it is armor.

The way the thigh plates and other pieces are structured and colored say that they are in fact, armor, not scale. Except for the whole melding into her thighs thing.

But then, why is there are armor on her horns? Biologically, it would make no sense as they need no protection. And practically, it makes no sense for the same reasons, it would just weigh down her head unnecessarily.

Regardless, she has really shitty armor for a tank.

Ralanr1 votes

To be fair, she's half dragon and probably doesn't need much armor.

Honestly her having armor feels odd. Her dragon form should make most clothing or gear uncomfortable in transformation. I can only assume the armor itself is magical in that it shapes with her transformation.

Her biology alone is surprising. She's half dragon, but she has a dragon form. Why? Is shapeshifting a common power amongst dragons (like some metallic dragons in D&D)? Or is this a trait that only half dragons have?

Are half dragons known about? I figure with how powerful Shyvana is, a half-dragon could have impact in the history of Valoran. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Noxus tried to breed half-dragon Shock troopers.

A wildlife tour of Valoran would be cool.

Overlord Forte1 votes

Natural toughness only goes so far. If nothing else, armor acts like ablative plating and just saves her from having to deal with the stress of a direct hit.

I suspect transformation is a power true dragons (and halves) possess, otherwise Riot deals with some very unpleasant implications in their story telling.

Otherwise, yeah, more information on the general world of Valoran would help paint the scenery.

Ralanr1 votes

I assumed her scales worked well as defense.

Overlord Forte1 votes

Basically, the reason we made and actually use shields in addition to plate/chainmail armor.

Yeah, it works, and having an extra and easily maintained layer gets you a lot more bang-for-buck.

sealust1 votes

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To be fair, she's half dragon and probably doesn't need much armor.

Honestly her having armor feels odd. Her dragon form should make most clothing or gear uncomfortable in transformation. I can only assume the armor itself is magical in that it shapes with her transformation.

Her biology alone is surprising. She's half dragon, but she has a dragon form. Why? Is shapeshifting a common power amongst dragons (like some metallic dragons in D&D)? Or is this a trait that only half dragons have?

Are half dragons known about? I figure with how powerful Shyvana is, a half-dragon could have impact in the history of Valoran. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Noxus tried to breed half-dragon Shock troopers.

A wildlife tour of Valoran would be cool.

True. But I still think she would need armor due to her class type, her passive implies that she does have some natural armor but not to the extent of not needing it entirely. She is only half dragon, after all.

Well, we see shape shifting with other champions too; Nidalee, Swain. I can only assume that it includes the whole being into the transformation, including clothes. Although.... Swain, being the powerful man he is could have something custom made for him. And Nidalee probably, actually walks around naked most of the time since she grew up in the jungle.

But I'm guessing you're right in that the armor is magical and fits to her form as she transforms.

I don't know if it states in her lore that she can transform (and read through it and didn't find anything) or if it's just something in her kit? I know that with other games the more one nurtures and gives into their dragon blood the more dragon-like they become. Is it the same here. Is Shy completely giving in to her draconic side as shown in her Ult?

Even if half-dragons weren't known about before, I think Shy's introduction to Delmacia would have been noticed and opened up a whole new box. I can definitely see other nations (particularly Noxus) trying to utilizes that. Maybe even looking to Zaun to help with medical concoction? Grow them quickly and without the risk of dragon/human mating or hunting for dragons?

And I am SO down with a wildlife tour! It does so much to expand worlds and opens up more doors for champions and map types/skins and events and helps explain things like this and stuff!

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I don't get where the red pieces on her thighs look melded. To me, it doesn't look that way at all.

Overlord Forte1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/MDUughS.jpg

This about sums it up.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

those really just look like pants to me... they hook to the other side over her pelvis. I imagine her waist would hold them up just fine.

I mean, it isn't realistic; those would be way uncomfortable in real life... but we're talking about a dragon lady with half worn armor/half scales. It makes enough sense to me.

EDIT: same with original splash, honestly. They could have a clasp in the front just like normal pants. The fact that they only cover the outside of her leg doesn't really change anything. They're like chaps. But metal.

Overlord Forte1 votes

You and I are understanding this very differently, I think.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Well, yeah, we are obviously. I appreciate the avoiding the gradual devolution to toxic spittle though.

I do see your point. They don't look very well attached. But the coloring alone makes me want to justify them as armor, as the chest piece clearly is. And to me, it's believable enough to fly.

On the other side of the coin, there is no part of it that looks "melded" to her in any way, imo. It's tight fitting, but so is the chest piece. That alone doesn't really mean anything to me. Lots of people irl wear tight clothes.

I just am not seeing the portion where it looks like it's necessarily attached to her permanently. Couldn't there be straps on her legs, or a clasp, or anything there? I mean, am I missing something?

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