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Could you please fix Karma? It's been 5 damn years.

Swarovsko··30 votes·2,056 views

Now we all know you're not going to rework her (even tho her kit completely lacks identity) because "there are other champions who deserve to be reworked more than she does", but as much as you hate this topic I think it's time for you Riot to finally consider Karma and finish what you started 5 years ago: give Karma (a champion who is running 24/7) a running animation, give her E an animation and let her Twin Dragons channel forward when she casts R+Q, it would fit way better than a corny and anonymous green power. I'm not asking for a VGU nor a full VU, I'm asking you to stop ignoring Karma and finish what you started, and I shouldn't even say this because I'm not the first one who complains about Karma. You know better than us how much the community complained after her rework and this should've been addressed at least 3 years ago. Stop ignoring her, change your work ethic and be more professional when it comes to Karma because all this shouldn't be said in 2017 (you reworked Karma in 2013, just saying) and that's really disappointing.

37 Comments

flibitydoo11 votes

y'know now that you've brought it up,

there really isn't a noticeable difference in projectile visual when you compare her Q to her RQ.

Sraeg201311 votes

TFW you realize Karma actually had a fully working cast animation on her shield.

https://youtu.be/qZ_luD0oPXo?t=49s

IxtaliKing8 votes

This is the sad thing about Karma that gets me every damn time - she's incomplete. Nobody is out here asking for an overhaul, just for Riot to finish what they started and it's like that's an issue to even suggest. I get that Riot has neglected a lot of champs and botched quite a few reworks (Mordekaiser Shen Malzahar Skarner ), but no champ has ever been mishandled quite as badly as Karma has.

Perhaps when they get around to doing an Enchanter update at some point mid or pre-season next year, they'll complete all her animations along with her kit.

Swarovsko9 votes

And you know what's fun? You wait 5 years for 2 animations and when you complain that Karma has been treated really badly you are told that "Karma mains are so entitled" lol

IxtaliKing6 votes

I find it quite disturbing, they don't understand why we kinda have be very vocal when it comes to Karma. We just need to be careful when riot does decide to do an Enchanter update that they A) decide Karma is in fact more of a battlemage, then leave her out or B) include her, fuck her up even more and still leave out her animations. When it comes to Karma you really can't put anything past them.

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

fuck her up even more

. . . How? Karma was already deleted. . .

Swarovsko1 votes

Nah she will probably be Malzahar'd. They will give Karma her shieldbomb back + huge shields with R+E, nerf Q and W because of it, buff R+E again until she will be unplayable mid lane and played bot just because of her R+E combo. Then wait for another rework in 2022 while people tell you that "there are other champions who are far worse than Karma".

IxtaliKing3 votes

Lol I have doubts that they'd even bring back her shieldbomb. I can imagine them using Ivern as an excuse as to why she can't have it back. Until then regardless of the haters, we will continue to make Karma threads and highlight her issues.

GreenLore4 votes

She'll likely be part of a controller-update,which is likely going to be either the next class update or the one after that.

Also you complain about her not having a running animation,E animation,etc.when there are so many champions who have even less animations than Karma Alistar Amumu Morgana Rammus Nunu,etc. Karma simply isn't the only champ who has problems.

Sraeg20139 votes

And how many of them had a FULL RELAUNCH (now known as VGU)?

Hint: None.

GreenLore9 votes

Well at least Karma had a VGU. At least she has a good looking model. At least she has a recall animation. At least she has a VO that is longer than a minute.

What have champs like Amumu,Anivia,Dr.Mundo,Akali,Zilean,Malphite,Cho'gath,Morgana and Rammus? Right they have nothing like this.(I'm not even sure if they all have joke/taunt animations...)

Her Relaunch was simply the first to come out and as such it wasn't as high quality as the following ones.

And it is kinda sickening how entitled the Karma mains are. I mean I agree that Karma definetly needs to be worked on. But that does not mean that she needs it more than others.

Sraeg201311 votes

Is it really that awful to ask about not half-assing your fucking job? Especially because once results go live nothing will be done about it for the next half a decade?

Riot white-knighting is much more sickening.

GreenLore8 votes

Not sure how I'm white-knighting Riot here,because I am fully aware that they did a bad job with Karma and am not trying to defend them in that regard.

What I am trying to make clear is that there is a reason why she was ignored afterwards,simply because Riot hasn't focused enough on updating old champs in the past.

Sukishoo4 votes

Indeed. I love Karma myself (have level 6 on her trying for 7) and yet there's plenty of champions that deserve updates in the game, not just her. There's nothing that makes her more deserving of one compared to anyone else.

She's not on the VGU list as she had one, so the next closest thing to her receiving something would be a Class Update. So just have to wait till then.

AmazoX5 votes

Why is this getting down voted? His right you know, At least she isn't Jax who's model in-game is eggplant

GreenLore3 votes

I expected that to happen,as I lashed out a bit against Karma mains at the end,since I really get triggered,when people think their main deserves some extra love,when said champion is obviously in a better position than others.

IxtaliKing5 votes

Just to be clear, nobody is asking for "extra love". Just for Riot to finish what they started with Karma, because she's unfinished. I'm sure you know the story about her rework being leaked early and Riot just saying "fuck It" and throwing her on to the live servers. In a world where Ryze has had several reworks and still looks like he may need yet another, I don't think asking for 2 small animations is unreasonable.

GreenLore2 votes

Ryze only got 2 reworks so close to each other,because they rushed his first rework even more than Karmas(leaving out his visual rework entirely the first time around) and while he is still problematic he is in a better place than he was before.

And I'd say that they are indeed asking for "extra love" if they want riot to back to karma and add some stuff again.It's still asking them to put resources into one champ,even though another one needs them more.

Joseraph1 votes

Christ, this. I just picked up Jax, and his animations kinda suck, he looks like eggplant turd, and has like, no lines. At least he's fun.

AmazoX1 votes

YES, FUN INDEED.

IxtaliKing11 votes

What have champs like Amumu, Anivia, Dr.Mundo, Akali, Zilean, Malphite, Cho'gath, Morgana and Rammus?

All of these champs are high priority for a VGU, what's the problem?

And it is kinda sickening how entitled the Karma mains are.

Don't do that, nobody is asking for her to be prioritised over anyone.

GreenLore4 votes

Well this very thread is asking for a karma update and complaining about it taking so long,when it should be obvious that other champions should take priority over her.

Not to mention that you pretty much see a thread complaining about Karmas rework every month,which is kinda tiresome and the reason why I lashed out a bit at the end.

IxtaliKing10 votes

The op already acknowledged that there are other champions who need work more, what's wrong with this thread?

The problem with Karma is more than just her being "ignored" for 5 years, because in reality she hasn't been. She's been buffed, nerfed and even had a gameplay update which stripped even more of her identity (5.10). The fact that Riot has almost zero communication in regards to Karma, makes everything so much worse.

The point is she has been mishandled, and you will see threads about it because people are disappointed. I'd like to think if Riot half-assed a rework of any of your mains you'd be vocal about it. Especially since it puts your champ in a limbo state of being not a priority, so you have to deal with their shoddy work on your champ indefinitely. It sucks.

GreenLore2 votes

Admitting that others need more work,but still wanting that they work on a certain champ is pretty much saying that you know that they shouldn't do it,but still want them to do it anyway.

IxtaliKing2 votes

As long as Riot addresses her animations whenever the Enchanter update happens, it's cool. We accept we have to wait until her class update. But in regards to the VGU champs you mentioned previously, Karma would never be taking up their resources.

GreenLore1 votes

Well you might accept that,but the fact that one of these threads pops up all the time tells me something different :/(and lets hope that they do adress these problems with Karma in that update,because I don't want to see the outcry if it doesn't)

IxtaliKing3 votes

and lets hope that they do adress these problems with Karma in that update

That's all we ask

Swarovsko4 votes

Karma is not a controller, she's an enchanter hybrid battle mage. Amumu Alistar Morgana Rammus Nunu never had a FULL VGU, so it's understandable why they don't have E animation etc... not to mention that most of these champions will probably be reworked before Karma so that's why I'm asking Riot to get their shit togheter after 5 {5 [5 (5) 5] 5} 5 and let me repeat F I V E years to do these little things. Forget about her R+Q channeling the twin dragons (since you gotta keep your standards low when it comes to Riot giving a shit about Karma), just give her 2 fucking animations. Also just because other champions need more work it doesn't mean that we can't complain in the meanwhile. And, lmao? Karma mains being entitled? I'm not even asking for a VU seriously just get the fuck out of here already lol you need jesus or a miracle

GreenLore7 votes

Enchanters are a subclass of controllers. So every Enchanter is also a controller.(similar to how a Vanguard is still a tank,or how a juggernaut is still a fighter)

And if you understand why these champs will likely get an update before Karma,then you'll surely understand why Riot doesn't go back to Karma and invests time and resources into adding these things to her,since they'd rather focus their resources on the other champs first. You are asking them to push others further back,so that Karma can get some slight improvements. Sure you don't ask for a complete VGU,but the people who would work on something like that,are also the ones who'd work on the current VGUs.

And you see a thread complaining about Karmas rework pretty much every month,which is simply tirering...

AmazoX2 votes

Well said

Starboyˇ2 votes

HER REWORK WAS IN 2013. THIS WAS BEFORE MOST CHAMPIONS HAD RUNNING ANIMATIONS.

Winterkill4 votes

Exactly. I get downvoted and harassed all the time when I try to bring this up, but this is basically what I have been saying the past few years. If the Developers want to make her this way, then they need to do it right and really go all out with it. Right now has she is incomplete. The work on her to this date is not put together and done very lazily. If you they wanted to remove her fans and dress so much, at least make everything you replaced it for amazing and really out of the park.

Starboyˇ2 votes

Shaco Amumu Blitzcrank Kennen Zilean Veigar Teemo Urgot Pantheon Nunu Kayle Fiddlesticks Mordekaiser Rammus Malphite DrMundo Chogath

So many champions need this more then karma have no idea why you are whining and acting like this should be Riot's number one priority. At least she got a fucking VGU which many other champions are waiting for. Do you even remember karma's old model?. This is the type of annoying whinging that makes me stay off the boards 90% of the time. This isn't half assing their jobs. This is fucking 4 years ago where riot didn't have running animations and shit. JAX IS A FUCKING EGGPLANT WITH A STICK AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS WHAT THE FUCK

Tesla Effect2 votes

I love Karma, but she is not a priority now. There are far worse champions that were broken for as long s League exists.

Moonboy651 votes

only thing they fixed were her splashes

Automated Riven1 votes

this is so incorrect its laughable.

Beyond Legends1 votes

Sigh and here we see the dawn of the new thing the boards will bitch about.

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