@Riot, How Do You Plan To Satiate Players Who Hate The Retcon?

Impetual··11 votes·1,065 views

How will you adjust the lore direction to keep those players happy?

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Tesla Effect6 votes

Impetual spam thread: Number 41

GenoXx8 votes

You know, this is why the community is starting to dislike you Tesla. You don't have to have comments like this everytime. So I'd advise u to stop trying to debate on certain threads because people do remember ya know...

powerbats6 votes

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You know, this is why the community is starting to dislike you Tesla. You don't have to have comments like this everytime. So I'd advise u to stop trying to debate on certain threads because people do remember ya know...

Yes but at the same time he's got a point as I tried pointing out, it gets annoying to see the same spam thread basically over and over again with slight changes in title and wording. When it's obcious they're not going to respond it starts to look like nothing more than attention whoring spamming.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Albert Einstein

Seriously though it's like 2-10 threads a day isn't going to get you a response anymore than the 2-10 threads a day have gotten for the last 6 months or the next 6 months. You're basically making the rest of the community that might care tune you out because oh hey it's another spam thread basically. When you see the exact same poster posting teh exact samew thing voer and over it's like the old GD you just tune them out and automatically ignore their threads.

You could come out with the cure for cancer and people would ignore you now because your spam thread reputation is out there front and center. Try limiting yourself to 1 thread a week because 100 threads a week about the same thing is ridiculous. Oh and inb4 Riot fanboi crap I do want to see Riot respond but if I was them I'd not respond either to this constant forum spamming as they've stated before they don't respond to it in other forums/threads.

Basically you're preaching to the same small choir of like minded people and the people you want to court so to speak are turning their backs on you. Try giving it a rest for a bit and come back fresh with something new.

GenoXx5 votes

I understand that, impetual is getting annoying. But I've seen Tesla's other responses and they really aren't necessary to be rude. Because at first I saw Tesla trying to mingle at first. He decides that he knows why riot isnt coming to these threads and start being rude.

It's uncalled for.

powerbats3 votes

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I understand that, impetual is getting annoying. But I've seen Tesla's other responses and they really aren't necessary to be rude. Because at first I saw Tesla trying to mingle at first. He decides that he knows why riot isnt coming to these threads and start being rude.

It's uncalled for.

Some of his responses are biting for sure but the point still stands that Impetual needs to take a break on this since all he's doing is turning off everyone else but the small group that follows these threads. It's like I tried to point out that right now it looks like attention whoring or soemone standing on the corner screaming at the top of their lungs notice me because no one does anymore because they've seen it so many times before.

That's probably not his intent but it's what's giving the impression now since he spams the forums repeatedly knowing he's not going to get a response so all this is turning into is basically a circle jerk which is sad. I admire the dedication but the methods and the way he's going about it aren't ok.

Impetual1 votes

I'm just trying to voice my opinion that I think that retconning the rich Lore of League of Legends is a sucky thing to do.

Sorry if other people misinterpret that.

Impetual3 votes

That's a fair point.

To be honest, the retcon decision still does not sit right with me, so I feel the need to post about its downfalls.

I'll agree that I might do it a bit too often, but please try to understand that I'm one of the players that got really invested in the old Runeterra, and that I have serious issues with it being retconned out of existence.

The new lore format doesn't seem to allow for much character devolopment/flavour in champions. We don't hear about their day to day shenanigans in the new lore, it's just summarized concepts.

There is no Journal of Justice to tell us about how champions are interacting with Runeterra and their effects on that world.

To me at least, the new lore removes the personality that champions had built in the old lore, through removing the events that no longer happened in cannon.

Now all we actually know about most champions are a few sentences.

Tesla Effect7 votes

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You know, this is why the community is starting to dislike you Tesla. You don't have to have comments like this everytime. So I'd advise u to stop trying to debate on certain threads because people do remember ya know...

Sadly people encourage Impetuals actions, which is wrong for many reasons. And sadly again, Im the only one telling him that, nobody is willing to say its wrong and face the backlash of those who encourage his behavior. I tried to tell him why this was wrong, but he ignored it, so any respect I had for him are lost.

Also, my actions are uncalled for!? I am not the one who spams threads constantly, weeps about changed champions constantly and encourage constant complaining, all of those are uncalled for. We get it, the lore is not being done in the amount it needs to be, stop spamming it everyday of the week.

And also people follow me around other threads I comment on that arent lore related and downvote comments that basically has no "attacking the lore" connotation at all, so why do they downvote. Thats freaking uncalled for. Some people here are so pathetic they will do that, even if Im not talking to them, they will still downvote cause reasons.

I will NEVER approve of the actions of Impetual here or those who support this constant spamming. Go ahead downvote now, these are the damn comments that only make sense in doing that. Stop the hell following me on other threads that dont talk about you and "facinations" of bashing devs constantly.

GenoXx3 votes

I don't follow you, but you don't have to steep down to the people who are unreasonable level......by, having smart comments....

Impetual5 votes

Sorry if you will "never approve" of me voicing my opinion on Riot's current lore direction.

To be honest, I really don't like it, and I'm gonna let Riot know my opinion in hopes that player opinion will sway them to change their minds.

Am I spamming?

I didn't realize that the maybe 3 threads per week I make (if that, but probably less) was spamming.

Tesla, could you please outline your definition of spamming is in terms of posts per week about a debatable topic so that I may better understand what you consider spamming? Because it seems pretty arbitrary.

**Tesla, could you define your definition of spamming? **

I understand that the Story and Art boards tend to move at a slower rate than other boards, but that doesn't mean active posters should be labeled as "spammers".

Tesla, can you precisely tell me how many posts a person can make before they become a spammer? What's the criteria?

Tesla Effect2 votes

If you only made 3 for some time it would be okay. But you release them every 3rd day or so. Sometimes more than one in a day.

And most of your threads point out the same facts over and over again. Rather than concentrate your actions on one thread or two over time which would give you more views and support, you make numerous threads that in the end ask the same questions. There is no need for so much of the same.

Make a proper organized group that would approach Riot, not what people here do constantly and make numerous divided threads that all tell the same thing. How can anyone get the proper information across if you have so much threads to go off and all of them say the same things. People here that are dedicated to the lore and want Riot to make something good about it should band up and do a group project around thing, teamwork is better than singular effort.

The Soulforged2 votes

This time, he is putting an interesting new point instead of, "OMG RETCON SUCKS" which it does, but is kinda redundant with each of his other threads.

Impetual3 votes

I suppose I should be glad someone is counting, because I'm not!

Maybe you should focus on making meaningful opinionated posts Tesla Effect, instead of spamming threads that don't agree with you.

Tesla Effect2 votes

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I suppose I should be glad someone is counting, because I'm not!

Maybe you should focus on making meaningful opinionated posts Tesla Effect, instead of spamming threads that don't agree with you.

Yes completely ignore the other later comment I posted cause thats what you do, pick up things that would suit your own needs.

Also probably rethink your own actions, your threads at this point arent meaningful at all, they come out disorganized, they make you look desperate and pathetic and you post it all very frequently to be justified as spam threads at this point. We get the message, now stop poking into out heads.

GreenLore3 votes

Most likely they won't adjust their direction,but will simply try to give us some good lore eventually.

There is no point in going back before they weren't even able to do anything with the Retcon.

Also emphasis is here on try,if they actually succeed (and when we are finally getting some lore at all)is a completely different matter.

Sharjo3 votes

^This. Their aim isn't to appease the people who hate the retcon and convince them everything's good. Their aim is to make a good quality story with an interesting world and characters. Whether they actually deliver on that is still up in the air at this point, but we all know that at this point.

Kersh2 votes

Lore? What lore?

There is no lore or have you not noticed the last 3 champions got like three sentences to explain their backstory that all basicially just says "insert champion" showed up and is now in the league now enjoy cinderhulk!

Narasimha1 votes

I'm going to go ahead and assume they're not. People who care about the lore are already a minoirty. People who care enough to be continuously vocal are an even smaller group. From any perspective, its not logical for them to adjust on a larger scale for a few people, especially given the lack of payoff.

Nilok3 votes

The truly sad thing, is if they kept the old lore and had the IoW be annihilated or simply vanish, summoners and all, it would have put the lore in the same place, open up more stories, preventing excessive retconning, and even explained why Bard is now here instead of 'just because'.

Tesla Effect3 votes

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The truly sad thing, is if they kept the old lore and had the IoW be annihilated or simply vanish, summoners and all, it would have put the lore in the same place, open up more stories, preventing excessive retconning, and even explained why Bard is now here instead of 'just because'.

Why is Lucian playing on the same team as Thresh, just cause game mechanics demand it. Why is Diana playing with Leona, just cause game mechanics demand it. Why is Varus playing on the same team as any Noxian, just cause game mechanics demand it.

Bard got back into Runeterra because something that will brake the balance of the cosmos is going to happen (but yeah the story is in WIP mode so dont expect to know the whole picture just yet)

I find no real reason for any of these characters to ever willingly approve to be on the same team as their enemies, yet we can perfectly see it in the game. Rather than make a convoluded out of character reason as to why they would do that, they removed any possible instances of that outcome happening. They cant force them to play with those characters, or they would mind control them to do what they want during the matches, which is exactly why the League was going too far with their approach.

Nilok3 votes

The Bard one I find the most confusing. They spend all this money on an amazing animation to introduce Bard, then come out with three paragraphs that just says, people don't understand him and he keeps the balance of the world so it doesn't go boom. There isn't even a tease of a looming threat or foreshadowing for why Bard is here. It makes it feel like they have no idea what the plan is currently since there has been very little meat on this lore bone he have been chewing on.

I'm not saying that the game has to perfectly reflect the lore or vise versa, just that the act of retconning it feels off when they proceed to do nothing with it. It has been over half a year since the retcon and the content they have produced, aside from Azir, doesn't seems out of place if the IoW was still around. If the content of lore doesn't improve by September (a full year), then I would say at the least the retcon was announced far too early, or at worst, a mistake that did not improve the lore as they had imagined.

Tesla Effect2 votes

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The Bard one I find the most confusing. They spend all this money on an amazing animation to introduce Bard, then come out with three paragraphs that just says, people don't understand him and he keeps the balance of the world so it doesn't go boom. There isn't even a tease of a looming threat or foreshadowing for why Bard is here. It makes it feel like they have no idea what the plan is currently since there has been very little meat on this lore bone he have been chewing on.

I'm not saying that the game has to perfectly reflect the lore or vise versa, just that the act of retconning it feels off when they proceed to do nothing with it. It has been over half a year since the retcon and the content they have produced, aside from Azir, doesn't seems out of place if the IoW was still around. If the content of lore doesn't improve by September (a full year), then I would say at the least the retcon was announced far too early, or at worst, a mistake that did not improve the lore as they had imagined.

For me its a much longer deadline (mainly the end of next year). But yeah, Im not going to say that their preparations for the retcon were good, cause it wasnt. But I am willing to be patient and see if they will stick with their promise (well at least for one more year) cause if they are sticking with their promise, then we have far more in store for us (probably released in larger chucks considering how massive the world could be and the setting itself that honestly wasnt even fully explored in pre-retcon era)

I wont judge a story if it aint finished being written (and maybe even animated, and drawn, and voice-overed) , that just not how you do with this kind of stuff: You dont review a book that the author hasnt finished writing and has specifically said he is writing it. But if takes them another year of silence and more promises and nothing world building made, then we have to face that specific fact that we will never get any big lore out of them. But until then, ill wait and watch what comes next, currently the larger amounts of lore we got were great (the smaller bios are a no, but I will only get pass them because those are stated to not be the finished main lores, again being patient).

Nilok4 votes

I can understand what you are saying, but the amount of viable content we got a while back with the League Judgments getting a deeper grasp of the character of the champion when they were released or the Journal of War tipping hints to the story (some of which remain unresolved) or what champions were doing when not fighting which expanded their character.

I will have to disagree on the time frame, at least how I understood you saying it. I am willing to wait a year from the remake, but past September I am willing to call the retcon a failure to achieve its primary goal, improve the lore of the game. I do not believe a company with the capital Riot has should be given one and a half to two years to make good on their promises. A small company of about fourteen people I can understand, but not a company with over a billion dollars of revenue.

Angry Monster1 votes

They are not going to change directions and have no need to. Riot can afford to ignore 1% of the player base, esspecially when they are not worried about the important part "the game"

You want super deep story go read a book.

NorthernDruid1 votes

Well they could always do the sensible thing and just realease a batch of new champion judgements.

I really, really wanna see Kalista's judgement.

Nilok1 votes

I really wish instead of retconing everything, they had the Institute of War either disband, be destroyed, or simply vanish from the world. This would have the story be mostly in the same place we have currently, but without the need to retcon so many stories that were connected directly to the IoW and Summoners, like Jax, Lee Sin, and Ionian Boots of Lucidity to name a few.

This also opens up new stories as Demacia, Noxus, Shurima, and all the other city states new and old have to deal with the loss of the super major power that kept balance on the continent and impending threats like the Harrowing.

This also explains why Bard has suddenly appeared after being gone for ages. Without the IoW to force balance, the world shifts quickly towards utter annihilation.

Bhargo1 votes

Going from the past few years, I'd say their plan is complete silence.

powerbats1 votes

Yeah just take a break from time to time and come back refreshed and hopefully spam less.

powerbats1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/3bIHxbE5-the-curious-case-of-vanishing-lore?show=flat

Back end of thread it gets much nicer and good stuff going back and forth.

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