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@Riot Narrative Team: "Put Up, or Shut Up"

Impetual··32 votes·3,608 views

edit:** Wait! Please don't shut up. I'd actually really like to have a dialogue!**

Riot, is there a reason why the narrative lead at Riot remains a secret? It's starting to seem like the position doesn't even exist.

From what I see on these boards, the recent lore retcon left a pretty sour taste in the mouths of many League of Legends Fans.

Personally, I find it very disappointing that Riot would abandon Runeterra's history just because they felt it became a bit to difficult to write about. (that seems to be their position).

Personally, and from what I've seen of public opinion, I would think many players would agree with me that the new lore direction has not yielded a higher or even equal level of lore quality than what we had previously. (with the exception of the new Sion lore, which was done pretty awesomely, yet was admittedly just a re-envisioning of his old lore, with Swain coming off as a much weaker leader than he did before).

The Shurima event felt really lame to me as a player, despite the Azir hype (he didn't appeal to me as a character very much, as we didn't get to see much of his personality outside of Rioters telling us that he supposedly had a lot of pride, although he didn't really show that with any kind of action in his lore).

The Freljiord event was a bit better. I really disliked most of the retcons, but ARAM as permanent new game mode kind of saved it. Even though the new lore and the lore retcons felt awful to me.

Riot, as a humble player, nay, a proud summoner, I ask you to look back to your roots and reconsider the course that you are taking the League of Legends lore in.

If the "League of Legends" isn't even a part of the lore in the game League of Legends, then something is horribly wrong.

Don't ask "why does game play need to be tied to the narrative?", but go further and ask how can gameplay be better tied to the narrative?

Riot, it's time to "Put up or Shut Up". (Actually it's a bit late. You should have "Put Up" when you initally announced the lore retcon. You're a bit late now. But whatever, we'll forgive you if you fix things)

You've made it clear that most of the old lore is non-canon now. Put up! Show us what you have to replace it in a timely fashion, or "shut up" and give us back the Runeterra we came to know and love.

It's years overdue Riot. Many Rioters have admitted this themselves. Put up or shut up. If you aren't ready yet (for god knows what reason, after having years of a lore drought) then make it a priority.

Riot has shown it can deliver awesome quality lore on a bi-weekly pace. There isn't any excuse why we should wait months for lore updates that feel like they are of lower quality than what we had in the early days of LoL.

Aren't you trying to evolve and improve? Because I think that most players would agree that Riot has taken a BIG step backwards when it comes to both its lore quality and quantity.

49 Comments

Sweetie Brella12 votes

And now they've gone and replaced Shadow Isles champion lores with WIP on the PBE.

They seem to have an incredible amount of faith in our patience. Or they have no concern with destroying something without replacing it properly. First it was the Journal and the Judgements, now it's this.

Dreamspitter1 votes

But Sion is a symbol of Hope

Protonhunter8 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Legacy of Xion12 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Because apparently Summoners were these all powerful Demigods who could destroy everything and control powerful almost godlike champions with impunity.

Ohwait. That directly contradicts multiple volumes of the Journal of Justice.

At this point I am thinking Riot is lying like a fallen tree and banking on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the JoJ to push this half baked shit down our throats. Unfortunately for them, still most of the lore community hates it.

Diahane5 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Because apparently Summoners were these all powerful Demigods who could destroy everything and control powerful almost godlike champions with impunity.

Ohwait. That directly contradicts multiple volumes of the Journal of Justice.

At this point I am thinking Riot is lying like a fallen tree and banking on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the JoJ to push this half baked shit down our throats. Unfortunately for them, still most of the lore community hates it.

Or they don't know themselves said old lore at all. Which would be even more... awkward.

Legacy of Xion4 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Because apparently Summoners were these all powerful Demigods who could destroy everything and control powerful almost godlike champions with impunity.

Ohwait. That directly contradicts multiple volumes of the Journal of Justice.

At this point I am thinking Riot is lying like a fallen tree and banking on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the JoJ to push this half baked shit down our throats. Unfortunately for them, still most of the lore community hates it.

Or they don't know themselves said old lore at all. Which would be even more... awkward.

After Narsil's fishing in the /ff Narrative Team megathread we were in, I've felt like the new Narrative Team knows jack shit about lore. I hate the feeling and I'm gonna have to watch for now.

I've been really respectful (Only a bit strongly worded and honest) but if they touch Kayle then chips are down, bets are off, and hell breaks loose.

Protonhunter1 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Because apparently Summoners were these all powerful Demigods who could destroy everything and control powerful almost godlike champions with impunity.

Ohwait. That directly contradicts multiple volumes of the Journal of Justice.

At this point I am thinking Riot is lying like a fallen tree and banking on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the JoJ to push this half baked shit down our throats. Unfortunately for them, still most of the lore community hates it.

Or they don't know themselves said old lore at all. Which would be even more... awkward.

After Narsil's fishing in the /ff Narrative Team megathread we were in, I've felt like the new Narrative Team knows jack shit about lore. I hate the feeling and I'm gonna have to watch for now.

I've been really respectful (Only a bit strongly worded and honest) but if they touch Kayle then chips are down, bets are off, and hell breaks loose.

But she makes no sense in the current lore. She's from a diffrent plain? Not brought by summoners obviously. They basically need to gut her old lore

Legacy of Xion3 votes

I've been really respectful (Only a bit strongly worded and honest) but if they touch Kayle then chips are down, bets are off, and hell breaks loose.

-ProtonHunter- But she makes no sense in the current lore. She's from a diffrent plain? Not brought by summoners obviously. They basically need to gut her old lore

Kayle came to Runeterra after the League empowered Morgana and turned the tide of the war.

Kayle came willingly - Morgana was forcebly summoned then conspired with the Summoners.

And "basically need to gut her old lore" yeah they probably will. But unless they have her gain angelic powers from having sex with Magical Girl Lux who made a contract with White Spirit Gnar I'm probably going to cause a scene. A really big scene.

Diahane4 votes

Instead of retconing the institute out they should of just gutted it like they did to Olaf or they nocturn.

In other words why not have a lore event where the institute basically is destroyed or removed as a strong political player because corruption (hey isn't that why the journal was shut down?). That way they can still reference it but have a reason for people like lee sin and nocturn to exist... And now people who were locked up like fiddle have an excuse to be out

Because apparently Summoners were these all powerful Demigods who could destroy everything and control powerful almost godlike champions with impunity.

Ohwait. That directly contradicts multiple volumes of the Journal of Justice.

At this point I am thinking Riot is lying like a fallen tree and banking on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the JoJ to push this half baked shit down our throats. Unfortunately for them, still most of the lore community hates it.

Or they don't know themselves said old lore at all. Which would be even more... awkward.

After Narsil's fishing in the /ff Narrative Team megathread we were in, I've felt like the new Narrative Team knows jack shit about lore. I hate the feeling and I'm gonna have to watch for now.

I've been really respectful (Only a bit strongly worded and honest) but if they touch Kayle then chips are down, bets are off, and hell breaks loose.

But she makes no sense in the current lore. She's from a diffrent plain? Not brought by summoners obviously. They basically need to gut her old lore

That's why the saying goes "don't fix what's not broken". The old general lore wasn't really broken, so trying to fix that just broke many subplots and created many and unnecessary plot-holes which will be embarrassing us by being around for a good amount of time. If I were in Riot's lore team pants, I wouldn't sleep at night thinking of the amount of contradictions that were left around and that will make things only worse the more time flows. When they will be fixed then there will be the confusion of those who maybe didn't know about the impending rewriting and will wonder what the heck happened there. It must suck to be a new player as of now, lore-wise. It must be so much confusing!

Motajo9 votes

Or they don't know themselves said old lore at all. Which would be even more... awkward.

I'm not sure which possibility is worse: that they could have lied about the lore, or that they could have no idea what they are talking about.

Ark Angel HFB5 votes

I'm not sure which possibility is worse: that they could have lied about the lore, or that they could have no idea what they are talking about.

Oh the lying one is by far the worse of the two...

See if a person was clueless about teh old lore... say they were brought on and told that a new direction was going to be taken... and that all the old was out.

They might just start fresh... a Few reading of the old lore and they are up to speed and can then talk with us on a equal lvl.

If they are purposefully lying... well then they are trying to manipulate the emotions of player in a dis-earnest way, and for that I'm not sure I could ever trust, engage or enjoy anything a person like that produces.

Sadly as much as I like to never equate to malice what can be pinned on ignorance... it sure feels like a lot of the current Narrative Team is two talking all over this topic.

I'd have at least had some respect for them if they had come out an said. "Hey we are a bunch of new people with our own vision. No BS we are making huge changes please be with us on this ride."

Then engaged with fans once the back last stated rather than making nothing but dismissive statements.

Impetual1 votes

Exactly. They need to start listening to the constructive criticism of their fans.

Whitakker6 votes

Your commitment to letting your displeasure be heard is admirable...and a little bit disturbing. I think we get it by now, Impetual. You're not happy. You, TerraRising, Philomelle, and several others have been spearheading this vocal opposition. That's perfectly understandable. Heck, I'm not thrilled with the situation, either. But I am going to reserve judgement until we see what they're cooking in the kitchen. They know they've got a lot to prove. I'll just wait to see if they pull through. So forgive me if I don't join you in the glorious Crusade.

LordHippoman5 votes

Agreed. Guys, we get it. You're mad. But lots of us are mad. Making a new topic everyday that boils down to "NARRATIVE SUCKS HARD" is not helping. Riot is not going to want to talk to you if you continually just make angry topics.

And I really, really hate to pull this card, but it is their story. They have to have the final say. It's not like most authors leave their unfinished works on the table and say "Okay fans, you write the ending!".

You don't have to agree with Riot's strategy in communication, and you don't have to like the retcon. I like neither. But you're making a self fulfilling prophecy by saying: "Riot won't talk to us because they suck".

Sneak Dog4 votes

If only it were their story. Sadly, a story you share and spread is no longer just your story. You might be the writer, but you no longer are the only investor in your story. If you then decide to ruin your story, people will get angry or just plainly leave. Those angry are your core fans. they care enough about the old story to take the effort to get angry about it. If you scare those off, you lose your core fanbase and* bad things happen.*

Diahane2 votes

If you scare those off, you lose your core fanbase and* bad things happen.*

Mafia Sneak Dog skin for Trundle confirmed.

Motajo5 votes

I think part of the reason some summoners make multiple threads is that, on these new boards, threads only stay at a convenient visibility for a few days. Despite any possible overwhelming agreement, even stickied threads don't stay for long.

CupcakeTrap7 votes

This.

I think Riot's current strategy is "ignore them for a while and they'll take any scraps we throw their way." They also keep insisting they want dialogue with us, then vanish into the shadows whenever we try to discuss something substantial.

This is our way of calling their bluff. The next time Riot releases some awful major change, they don't get the excuse of, "oh, gosh, you're right! Sorry, we should have talked with you more. Too late now, though. We'll try to win back your trust!" We'll be able to point at all these threads and say, "no, here's us raising the issue again and again, and you failing to respond."

The next time they try to toss out that "Our bad! It was just an honest mistake. We really do want to do a better job of communicating!" line, I think we should make them eat it.

Diahane2 votes

This.

I think Riot's current strategy is "ignore them for a while and they'll take any scraps we throw their way." They also keep insisting they want dialogue with us, then vanish into the shadows whenever we try to discuss something substantial.

This is our way of calling their bluff. The next time Riot releases some awful major change, they don't get the excuse of, "oh, gosh, you're right! Sorry, we should have talked with you more. Too late now, though. We'll try to win back your trust!" We'll be able to point at all these threads and say, "no, here's us raising the issue again and again, and you failing to respond."

The next time they try to toss out that "Our bad! It was just an honest mistake. We really do want to do a better job of communicating!" line, I think we should make them eat it.

But with proper gentleman-like classy tones ù.ù

We are irritated, it's true, but we should all stick to (n)etiquette. Point out things, state things firmly and clearly, but with no "animosity" nor rudeness. So we should rather "invite them to eat their (eventual) lies", which is a lot more gentle and proper =P

CupcakeTrap8 votes

We are irritated, it's true, but we should all stick to (n)etiquette. Point out things, state things firmly and clearly, but with no "animosity" nor rudeness. So we should rather "invite them to eat their (eventual) lies", which is a lot more gentle and proper =P

So far, all we've been getting from Narrative is a flurry of polished corporate pep-speak. It's a smokescreen. Their strategy is to try to dampen community reactions by making a lot of soothing, conciliatory sounds that make us want to believe that real dialogue is just around the corner.

To me, taking pains to be polite with them at this point is playing right into that strategy.

Do I hate them, personally? Of course not. That's insane. But I resent them engaging in hand-wringing along the lines of, "gosh, you guys are so angry! We're scared to talk with you because you're so angry! Please don't hate us! We're people, too!" Of course they're people, of course I don't hate them, of course I don't want them to be fired or anything insane like that. But continually returning to that topic prevents us from moving forward with the substantive discussion.

DG Ashabel4 votes

Same here. I'm fairly terse with my language in general (as Sneak Dog pointed out in another thread, I tend to always come off like I'm arguing), but I don't mean anyone anything ill and I certainly don't want anyone to get fired.

I do wish they'd actually do their jobs, though. If I put out maybe five paragraphs per two months for my writing job, I'd get fired a long time ago. Out of a cannon. Into Jupiter.

Impetual2 votes

Here's the thing. The lore of Runeterra was retconned and replaced with...virtually nothing.

The retcon shouldn't have happened until Riot was ready for it, and it is obvious that they weren't, yet they did it anyways.

So many characters have biographies that don't make sense now, that it's kinda laughable.

Riot is bungling this unneeded retcon to such an exteme extent, which is why there is a need for the community to speak out against it.

If the enough community members show their dissatisfaction, maybe something will change.

ThorRush6 votes

Oh man ... they're not gonna do either of those things. I hope you know what you're going to do if Riot picks option 3, like they've been doing for years.

Put up: They've got a vision of a certain quality and standard that they're working towards. You might not agree with them about it. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/YMoEEJUH-well-its-ff-from-narrative-champion-lore-updates-on-website?comment=0014

As I mentioned, we're currently hard at work on some Shurima-related stories (not to mention future content), and we want to get the first of them out to you just as soon as we can properly finalize them. If we cannot solve the tech issue within the necessary timeframe, we will get the stories to you in analternative way, perhaps even through this board.

Shut up: You can trace Riot's objective over the years. It paints a direct line to where we are now. Judgments ended, JoJ ended, Twisted Treeline moved to Shadow Isles, Proving Grounds changed into Howling Abyss, lack of Institute lore, JoJ removed from client. It doesn't look like they're turning back, not when they've been working towards this for so long.

So ... yeah. What's your point? If you're just voicing your opinion, Riot has responded, and that response was: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/YMoEEJUH-well-its-ff-from-narrative-champion-lore-updates-on-website?comment=001000030000

We need to be able to tell great stories about our champions in a really robust way. Some folks will disagree with how we approach it. That's okay. We get it. At the same time, we're excited by the possibilities. This is a journey, and we're committed to it.

So, I'd say it's time to look at option 3. What's your response to option 3?

DG Ashabel11 votes

From my observation, the most popular option 3 right now is "leave for Dawngate", with the reasoning being that they actually employ good writers who enjoy collaborating with the community, rather than a amorphous group who consider their talent as writers vast enough to take their audience for granted.

The other popular option, largely accepted by roleplayers, is pretending that the retcon never happened. Plenty of people cherry-pick the new lore for the good bits that can be added to the old, then abandon the rest like so much roadkill.

The option of "be patient is try to enjoy the new lore" seems to have been flushed down the drain when the Shurima event came along. Let's be honest, that thing was pretty embarrassing.

CupcakeTrap5 votes

The other popular option, largely accepted by roleplayers, is pretending that the retcon never happened. Plenty of people cherry-pick the new lore for the good bits that can be added to the old, then abandon the rest like so much roadkill.

If we're being honest, that's what I'm doing. Soon to be formalized with a Factions wiki.

Some part of me hopes that they just keep releasing random episodic stories. It's easier to work with.

DG Ashabel5 votes

I'm honestly not sure the new lore can even support anything more than episodic stories. It's too self-contradictory and disorganized to not murder itself once any attempt at cohesion is made.

As a roleplayer who plays both champions and summoners, I have to ignore the new lore. I need to take my characterization and world design from something and there's been pitifully little of that in new lore so far.

ThorRush8 votes

Hey yeah, I'll be honest, my response was "find a different game." Kind of counter productive that I still post here, but I guess old habits die hard.

DG Ashabel5 votes

I'm trying very hard to find a different game. I guess I've grown too used to League over the three years I spent in it.

Ah well, I just resubscribed to World of Warcraft and made Hardcore characters in Diablo III and Path of Exile. That silly attachment of mine is bound to rub off soon.

ThorRush6 votes

A bit off topic, but ... if you're serious, I think the best way to find a different game is to look for what you liked most in League. The community? The characters? The story?

I liked the immersion. Demacian ethics, with the camaraderie, the laws, and the clash of ideals, spoke to me. The dynamic gameplay helped too, but it has issues, namely other players.

Long story short, I'm having fun exploring and just being in the world of a new game. Anyway, hope you have fun, whichever way you go.

Cookiehime3 votes

A bit off topic, but ... if you're serious, I think the best way to find a different game is to look for what you liked most in League. The community? The characters? The story?

I liked the immersion. Demacian ethics, with the camaraderie, the laws, and the clash of ideals, spoke to me. The dynamic gameplay helped too, but it has issues, namely other players.

Long story short, I'm having fun exploring and just being in the world of a new game. Anyway, hope you have fun, whichever way you go.

What other games can you suggest us that have that similar feel that LoL used to have? I liked the characters, story and that weird 4th-wall breaking type of immersion.

I'm sad leaving and this is what my soul looks like right now...

http://sketchtoy.com/63286059

[that's not an accurate depiction of what I look like though. Drew that cute face to arouse your pity. Heheh.]

But if you guys are leaving, maybe we can still keep a link via another game. It was still fun discussing stuff amidst the turmoil.

I'm at Dawngate for now, but if you wish to keep a link and if you're there too, you can add me. I'd still like to hear from you guys.again. :)

But damn. I don't wanna post my username on the forums. What do? Just ask me if you wish to add me there and we'll keep contact!

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Nooooo, Cookie-Princess! Don't leave us!

(If you set the Vibration to 5, it looks like the screen is crying.)

But seriously, I've been thinking that I need to start the process of rounding out my creative investment. I realize that I'm cruising for serious heartbreak with LoL.

I really like the Living Lore idea that Dawngate has going; it reminds me of Factions, actually. I tried to read up on it on the site, but it got a bit confusing somehow. I'll try again.

ThorRush1 votes

What other games can you suggest us that have that similar feel that LoL used to have? I liked the characters, story and that weird 4th-wall breaking type of immersion.

o.0

Tall order, huh? Yeah, I'm ... pretty sure League's mix of characters, story, and immersion was unique.

The diversity and personality of characters - it's a matter of opinion. I think it's something available in fighting games and other MOBAs, the kind of games where the player is intended to become familiar with many characters. Of course, to get into a game like that, takes some investment from the player. To find one ... I'd start here, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters/VideoGames

Personally, I'm not trying to find something exactly like League, because then I will compare it to League. Lore-wise, I can't do that. I've invested too heavily in League to try and do it again somewhere else. Even if I did, it would feel like a knock off.

I think I'd be ok playing Heroes of the Storm though. It's far away enough I could see it as something different.

DG Ashabel9 votes

To me, the major thing about the League experience was actually Summoners. I could be all the roles fulfilled by our "legends" everywhere else. I can go play Far Cry 3 if I want to pretend I'm a master archer and I can play God of War if I want to toss axes around. But I enjoyed the emotional feedback of being someone who tries to help these champions by guiding and protecting them, coming up with strategies to help them and so on.

I could go on and play another MOBA, but it won't provide the same emotional feedback. The best I can do is move on to something fun or immersive in its own way.

DG Ashabel8 votes

If you ever want to poke me on Dawngate, I'm Philomelle there and on Steam... actually everywhere. That alias is somehow never taken! I do spend more time in the League client than in the Dawngate one, but that's because I'm still struggling through my first PvP match anxiety in that game. I'm sure I'll get over it eventually.

But slowly moving on is the right choice right now, I feel. I don't want to stay with the game where creators take my involvement for granted.

CupcakeTrap6 votes

A related thread.

Durmeth the Vile5 votes

League was pretty unique in how it incorporated the player into the story as a summoner, and how its politics and champs tied everything together. That is why its so frustrating. They had a huge awesome point of originality in the genre, and now want to erase it. Absolutely baffling. It wasn't just their story. It was OUR story. We were part of the in game world! You can't take a novel for example, somehow make the reader the main character, then erase the whole plot and say hey don't worry its still gonna be good. You're just not a character anymore, and none of those things ever happened.

As for other games, I find myself playing Smite alot. While it is lacking the overall "Why are these people killing each other" plot point, they do keep hinting at it with increasing frequency so I'm hoping more will come about from it. Though each playable god comes with a nice narrated, semi animated story about their personal lore, and they're well known characters in various world mythologies. So, overarching theme or not yet, they're characters I can and do already deeply know what they are about.

Meanwhile League takes their characters I grew to know and care about, and guts them into standard fantasy types.

WeeniePIays3 votes

Any efforts put into writing decent lore were scrapped at the beginning of season 3 i.e the "new" Evelynn lore.

And no, they didn't take a BIG step back when it comes to lore. It's even worse. Riot took a BIG step back to the Subway around the corner, because they got tired of listening to people throw temper-tantrums and found that they needed some lunch. It may also be where they're currently getting their inspiration.

Can't you hear Phreak announcing the next champ now? "Meatball, the Five Dollar Foot-Long".

Of all the things currently wrong with this game, writing an essay on your disappointment with the lore ranks at the bottom of the totem pole. If you're not on a Korean pro-team, Riot doesn't have time for you or your problems. Sorry.

Dreamspitter1 votes

Riot owes you lunch?

Nveriyoth3 votes

So …… I love the lore a ton, and have since I started playing league. This retcon really pissed me off at first, but then I realized that THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT WHATSOEVER. OTHER THAN THE INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT, THERE'S NO RUBBING IT IN OUR FACES. So what I decided to do was carry on as if they hadn't ever decided to retcon all of Runeterra, the IoW and League. Helped me a lot since now I'm not getting pissed off over where jax and fiddlesticks and nocturne come from now.

Drakoniak2 votes

You are not quiet informed on this, what riot did is get rid of the Istituite of War whichs was preventing the story to improve since due to the IoW the lore was GAMEPLAY tied meaning they couldn´t expand it on other directions other that related to IoW events.

Getting rid of IoW allowed riot to retcon the entire lore thus allowing them to improve it beyond any limitations which were imposed by the presence of IoW.

The Lore team has many and many persons the decisions are not based in a single person and they also do hear community feedback and for what i recall the lore will come in 2015 or later since we are talking about retconing over 100 champions which is a lot if you ask me.

This new lore is separated from gameplay (which i mentioned above) in this way we will see a lot of more events lore-wise instead gameplay-tied the new Sion lore opened a whole new world with so many questions (because his new lines with other champions).

Impetual13 votes

I think you are the one who is not informed Drakoniak. The "Istituite of War" isn't a thing. (also, learn the difference between quite and quiet)

Every story ever told is restricted by the characters and setting that they reside in. This should not be viewed as a negative thing, but as something that helps shape a character, and a world.

That being said

Both the Freljord event and the Shurima event could have easily happened in Runeterra without the Institute of War or Summoners interfering with them. There would have been no reason to remove summoners or the IoW for these events to happen. (just some retcons).

The thing is, Riot's reasoning for the elimination of Summoners and the IoW doesn't make sense. None of their new content since their announcement of the lore retcon would have been hindered by the old lore's existence. (other than retcons)

So far, Riot hasn't presented a reason for the Runeterra retcon that they have undertaken other than "it was easier to write about".

(based on the lore they've produced, the idea that the IoW or summoners restricted their storytelling doesn't fly)

AbiwonKenabi8 votes

(also, learn the difference between quite and quiet)

He's from EUW, so I'm willing to forgive him for this one.

The thing is, Riot's reasoning for the elimination of Summoners and the IoW doesn't make sense. None of their new content since their announcement of the lore retcon would have been hindered by the old lore's existence. (other than retcons)

Sooooo much this. I have yet to see the hindrance the IoW would have imposed on these events. We have segments that happened before the Institute's existence, and then latter segments that really didn't call for the involvement of a nation policing body, nor would they have any way of knowing about it in some instances.

WeeniePIays1 votes

Also learn the difference between "the Azir's hype" and "the Azir hype"

DG Ashabel23 votes

You are not quiet informed on this, what riot did is get rid of the Istituite of War whichs was preventing the story to improve since due to the IoW the lore was GAMEPLAY tied meaning they couldn´t expand it on other directions other that related to IoW events.

Getting rid of IoW allowed riot to retcon the entire lore thus allowing them to improve it beyond any limitations which were imposed by the presence of IoW.

Oh wow, a video game where the story is tied to the act of playing it? Preposterous! What kind of scandalous and disgusting heresy will they think of next?! ...what is it? A HAMBURGER WITH CONDIMENTS IN IT?! ARREST THAT KNAVE AT ONCE BEFORE HE DESTROYS OUR PRISTINE SOCIAL VALUES WITH HIS WILD AND UNREASONABLE IDEAS!

Why, next they'll tell us that respecting community-created content is important. The nerve of those mongrel.

The Lore team has many and many persons the decisions are not based in a single person and they also do hear community feedback and for what i recall the lore will come in 2015 or later since we are talking about retconing over 100 champions which is a lot if you ask me.

Oh well, it's cool that they're listening to community feedback then. I'm sure people have been raging against these changes for over a month now because their feedback was sought in a moment of intense brainwashing that kept them from realizing it was sought, not because it wasn't sought at all.

This new lore is separated from gameplay (which i mentioned above) in this way we will see a lot of more events lore-wise instead gameplay-tied.

Yeah, we're all deeply looking forward to stories about a generic fantasy universe inhabited by generic fantasy people who do generic fantasy things while we all struggle to care because we've already read that story before some six hundred times. To hell with stories that require player investment, what are we, a video game company or something? Psht.

The new Sion lore opened a whole new world with so many questions (because his new lines with other champions).

His four quotes with Galio aren't a "whole new world". Everything else he has are jokes about his rework, or lines that were already explained and wouldn't need a complete lore reboot to be added.

Impetual13 votes

Love your energy and your articulate writing Philomelle. I think we might be on the same page about how things are lore wise with LoL.

Good, fun, accurate, and energetic post.

Also, I love the good use of sarcasm.

(nothing in my post is meant sarcastically, including this).

Motajo3 votes

Yeah, I love me some well-used sarcasm

Impetual1 votes

Who doesn't?

Motajo4 votes

allowing them to improve it

Lol, okay

Cookiehime1 votes

Ty Philomelle. My name starts with Onyx, so if you're wondering who the hell invited you, well... it's me :)

Keeping the link. It was nice to meet you ^^

And ty for the game suggestions. Should have thought looking there first!

Keep up the good work with Factions, CCT.

I think that the retcon may not be so bad after all. Life goes on. I've come to accept that the stories I liked are no more.

So, best of luck to the new lore team! Old lore souls such as us were but a vocal minority and I know we've said some pretty mean things.

Please, forgive us.

Psst. Be more involved with the community from now on, m'kay?

Cheers! And best of luck!

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