Riot did such a great job of giving Noxus and Zaun more depth than 'evil dudes on skull mountain' and 'evil mad scientists'. It would be a shame if the Void were left similarly one dimensional.
GreenLore5 votesThe big question is: Does the void even have a goal? They might be just a bunch of monstrous creatures that do their own thing,with this bioforges mentioned on the universe page being just the way the voidcreatures reproduces.
Hovering Hentai1 votesI think their overall goal is conquest, sadly to the void that means eating everything.... But don't forget Vel'Koz hes a voidborn who is strongly opposed to eating everything..... before he analyses it then they can eat all they want
Splision1 votesTo be fair though, Vel'Koz analyzing things is how he eats. He consumes knowledge.
vampirekid131 votes[{quoted}](name=Striking Venom,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-12-04T17:36:42.984+0000)
I think their overall goal is conquest, sadly to the void that means eating everything.... But don't forget Vel'Koz hes a voidborn who is strongly opposed to eating everything..... before he analyses it then they can eat all they want
what if there is a civilization we dont know about trying to open the portals to our world and every time they tried it failed to stay open but a random void animal snuck through. and we dont even know about the main civilization yet, which is way more complex than eating something.
think of it like us opening portals to a different universe and they dont stay active for long enough to be useful but they do open up for long enough for a dog, a cat, a bear, and a moose to sneak through on different attempts.
HaIIeIujah4 votesI really hope there isn't. We already have a great deal of grey area villains, but a straight up lovecraftian dimension of devouring entitites shouldn't be concerned with human morality. "Eating" can take as many forms as they need.
All they need is to keep following the theme, and occasionally insert a glimpse of cosmic proportions, like in Sol's Lore. Having the Void follow a complex set of motivations would ruin part of the appeal of the entire faction, in my eyes at least.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shin Tera EX,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-12-05T14:09:49.372+0000)
I really hope there isn't. We already have a great deal of grey area villains, but a straight up lovecraftian dimension of devouring entitites shouldn't be concerned with human morality. "Eating" can take as many forms as they need.
- Consume and Grow
- Consume and Adapt
- Consume and Learn
- Consume and Multiply
All they need is to keep following the theme, and occasionally insert a glimpse of cosmic proportions, like in Sol's Lore. Having the Void follow a complex set of motivations would ruin part of the appeal of the entire faction, in my eyes at least.
You're missing the whole point of cosmic horror, there. The underlying idea isn't that these beings have no motivations, but rather that their motivations are either unknown or unknowable. That sort of approach doesn't apply to the Void because we have already gained glimpses into their thought process through Vel'Koz's lore and the in-game quotes of the various Void champions. They aren't unknowable in the way that Cthulhu or the Colour out of Space is, we've already gotten to know several of them.
I'm not saying they should have human morality, that would be silly. I'm saying they should have utterly alien morality. Their reason for devouring worlds only needs to make sense to them. I just wouldn't mind knowing what it is. A villain can still be a 'black' villain and have reasons for what they do beyond mustache twirling.
Splision2 votesIn my opinion, the void and the voidborn not having a goal (other than to consume everything) just makes them all the more horrifying.
Rebonack1 votesIn my opinion, the void and the voidborn not having a goal (other than to consume everything) just makes them all the more horrifying.
It's not terribly interesting, though. I've never been too big on 'villains' who have base animal instincts as the only thing that makes them a threat. Because that isn't really a villain, is it? They're just hungry. That's decent for a horror flick, but for a game like League? Not so much.
Like I said in the opening post, Riot has a done a great job of making their champs less one dimensional as Lore has been expanded. I would like to see similar work done with the Void. It would be a great chance to explore critters with a non-human mindset, which I thought they did a fantastic job with on Skarner.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesWell, not only is that a matter of opinion, but it's nice having diversity of villains. Some are just monsters.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2016-12-04T19:30:56.820+0000)
Well, not only is that a matter of opinion, but it's nice having diversity of villains. Some are just monsters.
I feel like the Shadow Isles are already covering the base of 'purely destructive existential threat' pretty darn well. We really don't need two of them.
And yeah, it's certainly a matter of opinion. Everyone has things they do and don't like when it comes to telling a story.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesBut then why the void and not the other human regions? We already have Noxus for example.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-04T23:15:12.137+0000)
But then why the void and not the other human regions? We already have Noxus for example.
I'm having trouble parsing this question.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesWhy would you want the void specifically to be not mindlessly evil, when you have Noxus as a city that's not completely evil? At this point, except for maybe Demacia, every region has its grey morality.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-05T01:44:38.347+0000)
Why would you want the void specifically to be not mindlessly evil, when you have Noxus as a city that's not completely evil? At this point, except for maybe Demacia, every region has its grey morality.
Because nothing is mindlessly evil. If something is mindless, then it's pretty explicitly not evil, simply destructive or dangerous. A volcano isn't evil when it blows its top and broils a bunch of people, it just is.
And while some voidborn do appear to be mindless, most of the ones we have as champions aren't. Evil requires intent (or at least callous disregard) and more often than not those committing evil have what they believe is a justifiable reason to do so. They might even believe they're doing good for themselves or their species or whatever.
Listen to Vel's VO. He's honestly surprised when neither half of a bifurcated human regenerates. As far as he's concerned that's crazy. And what does it imply? That back in the Void bifurcation apparently isn't that huge of a deal. We have here a totally alien being with a totally alien mindset and a totally alien sense of morality trying to make sense of material beings. And the way he does it is, no questions asked, evil from our perspective. But that isn't mindless evil. Vel thinks he's doing good. His quest for knowledge is the greatest good, great enough to destroy the physical forms of his fellow voidborn to preserve it. That is far from mindless evil. It does display a callous disregard for life, however.
Personally, I think the best way to handle something like the Void is through the concept of incompatible morality rather than just labeling one as evil and leaving it at that. Giving a window into the thought process of inhuman beings is neat. Take a look at Skarner's story if you haven't, Riot did a great job there. I would love to see something like that for the Void champs, or even for the Will that was hinted at in Sol's story.
GreenLore1 votesPersonally, I think the best way to handle something like the Void is through the concept of incompatible morality rather than just labeling one as evil and leaving it at that. Giving a window into the thought process of inhuman beings is neat. Take a look at Skarner's story if you haven't, Riot did a great job there. I would love to see something like that for the Void champs, or even for the Will that was hinted at in Sol's story.
Well wouldn't the whole "their instincts tell them to eat stuff"-thing pretty much do exactly that? I mean sure Vel'koz shows signs of blue&orange-morality(basically incompatible morality),but his actions are seemingly still driven by instincts(which tell him to analyze stuff). Would you consider any of the void creatures evil when they start to eat you and everyone else,just because their instincts tell them to do it?
I feel like the parasytes form the anime/manga of the same name are also a nice example of that,as they are sentient beings whose instincts tell them to kill and devour humans,even though they are perfectly able to survive with regular food. And the series does question if one should really consider the parasytes to be evil because of this.
Tesla Effect2 votesThe Void is a problem for not just Runeterra, but for the entire Universe. Shadow Isles is a low level threat compared to that (similar to how the Lich King was a threath once, but then a bigger one risen in the form of the Legion, which are controlled by the VOID Lords.....Enemies of the Dark and Unknown depths of the Eldrich are the ultimate threat to any setting)
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tesla Effect,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-12-04T23:36:33.896+0000)
The Void is a problem for not just Runeterra, but for the entire Universe.
Based on Sol's lore it sounds like they're enemies of the Targonians. Are we sure the Targonians are the good guys here? Or is it possible we're dealing with two equally bad factions? Who knows, the Void might be like Galactus, a necessary evil to stave off something worse.
Shadow Isles is a low level threat compared to that (similar to how the Lich King was a threath once, but then a bigger one risen in the form of the Legion, which are controlled by the VOID Lords.....Enemies of the Dark and Unknown depths of the Eldrich are the ultimate threat to any setting)
The Void Lords are a terrible way to apply cosmic horror. Oooooh no, the beings of pure shadow want to eat all the things! How awful. Any time a villain gets pegged with 'wants to destroy everything because reasons' as their motivation that body of writing instantly drops a few notches on the terrible-fan-fiction-o-meter.
All I'm saying is that I dearly hope that Riot minimizes one dimensional villains as much as possible.
Sona Ping1 votesWell, no. That's really just Kog'maw's motivation.
Takazaki1 votesand chogath
Spicy Rice1 votesAnd rek'sai.
As far as I know, vel'koz is the only (current) void creature that isn't obsessed with eating
GreenLore2 votesAnd even he deconstructs when he analyzes stuff,so in a way you could say he is consuming things to analyze them.
Spicy Rice1 votesEHHHHHHHHH
Fair enough
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
MuffledGarbage1 votesand Vel'Koz
and kha'Zix
Sona Ping1 votesI would disagree. Cho'gath and Kha'Zix do eat things being the monstrous insectoid things they are but for them, it's more of a mean to an end rather than their motivation. Or the motivation for the Void, for that matter.
Rebonack2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-12-04T03:42:13.487+0000)
I would disagree. Cho'gath and Kha'Zix do eat things being the monstrous insectoid things they are but for them, it's more of a mean to an end rather than their motivation. Or the motivation for the Void, for that matter.
The motivation for the Void as a faction being the operative part here. Are they all united in purpose? They clearly aren't a hivemind (see, Vl vaporizing other voidborn that he didn't like), so what unites them if anything? There has GOT to be more to it than 'eat everything'. Why is the Void so bent on devouring other worlds? The brief blurb we have suggests the Void came into existence for a purpose. Just to win a war? A war with whom? What were the stakes? How does Bard feel about it?
HalfTangible1 votesThe impression I get is that the Void is another world/dimension, not necessarily a faction in and of itself. The reason the Void is such an issue for Runeterra is that the creatures who come from the Void don't understand how the world works, and their lack of understanding is what keeps causing problems (such as Kog'Maw eating everything to learn about it)
Rebonack2 votesThe impression I get is that the Void is another world/dimension, not necessarily a faction in and of itself. The reason the Void is such an issue for Runeterra is that the creatures who come from the Void don't understand how the world works, and their lack of understanding is what keeps causing problems (such as Kog'Maw eating everything to learn about it)
I don't think I would agree that it's JUST a lack of understanding. Cho seems to be openly malicious. Rek less so, she's just building a bridge to the Void and she happens to need people to build it (too bad for the people). Vel learns about things by eye-lasering stuff. It isn't his fault that humans are so fragile that said eye-lasering vaporizes them.
Kog is just straight up curious about this weird physical reality he's been dumped into. He's being drawn to Malz, though we have no idea why.
The Voidborn that jumped Diana in her Lore seemed pretty darn hostile in general. They start existing in the physical universe and immediately begin doing their best to kill anything nearby. Protecting the Void breach, maybe? Did they know Diana was going to seal it? If so, then that's probably why they attacked her. If Rek's new story is any indicator, the Void builds their stuff out of whatever souls are made of. They need raw material, so they invade planets.
But to what end? Is it just base animal instinct (eat eat eat breed breed breed) or does the Void have some kind of over-arching goal? Do the souls that get incorporated into Void artiface retain any of themselves? Cho's selection quote certainly makes it sound like this might be the case. What's goin' on with these crazy purple folks?
Best Kog NA1 votesBut the motive of NOM ALL THE THINGS really fits well with koggy's lore D: ######I really do want to see that lore expanded on though
Rebonack4 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-04T04:00:48.405+0000)
But the motive of NOM ALL THE THINGS really fits well with koggy's lore D:
Kog's Lore suggests that the only way Kog knows how to learn about things is by eating them. That was apparently the only sensory input he was previously acquainted with. Which in of itself raises some really interesting questions. Of the various Void beasties he seems the least malicious. Just curious about the world around him in an innocently destructive sort of way.
Best Kog NA1 votesHe's my cute little void puppy. ######That only sometimes eats people ^_^
Doozku1 votesI think that it is because he is a baby. He's just a larva that will sprout in to a beautiful butterfly <3 And then he'll eat us all.
HalfTangible1 votesVel'Koz's lore is that he's a void mage out to learn things. So we know there's more to the Void than 'nom all the things'.
TeCoolMage2 voteshe noms all the things with lasers for knowledge
A Superb Villain1 votesFrom what little information we have received, the most recent additions in particular, I am getting a distinct War Against the Chtorr/Phyrexian vibe. The Void is a living entity that spreads itself via direct contact and the actions of the Voidborn, whom are autonomous, engineered organisms.
an infinite realm of unfettered creation, tortured landscapes of crazed organic machinery, magical weapon-looms and mountainous flesh-forges.
We do not have an explicit, unifying motivation for the Voidborn, but their actions all follow a predictable pattern: consume, convert, compound. Given that they were created with a specific purpose in mind, that being war, it is possible that an overarching goal is planted within their consciousness, but it is buried so deeply it hardly registers as anything more than instinct. Nothing is directly telling them what to do, but an underlying need pushes them to act in a way that is natural to them.
Peridition1 votesThe Void isn't a political faction like Zaun or Noxus, it's a sort of alien parallel world. They aren't very comparible.
From what we know of the Void so far, most of its denizens have very self-interested goals. Some that easily conflict with one another. For instance, I highly doubt that Vel'koz approves of Kog'Maw or Rek'Sai's ambitions.
At best the Void might band together to assimilate Runeterra into the Void but beyond that goal they don't seem to share similar interests
Rebonack1 votesThe Void isn't a political faction like Zaun or Noxus, it's a sort of alien parallel world. They aren't very comparible.
From what we know of the Void so far, most of its denizens have very self-interested goals. Some that easily conflict with one another. For instance, I highly doubt that Vel'koz approves of Kog'Maw or Rek'Sai's ambitions.
At best the Void might band together to assimilate Runeterra into the Void but beyond that goal they don't seem to share similar interests
That's certainly a possibility. Sol's comment about feeling a Will behind the Void incursion he was cauterizing suggests that there may be someone creating the rifts for their own purposes, but I still don't think said Will was actively controlling all those Voidborn. Just pointing them in a general direction and going 'have at it, lads!'
It's hard to really nail anything down at this point. Things we know for certain consist of-
Did I miss anything?
Big Lincoln1 votes lasers them instead
Aptest1 votesidk...
nom all the things is such a great idea....[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
SolarisCorvus1 votesI think that every void being is instilled with the desire to better themselves in some way. For example vel koz and kog just want to learn everything they can. Kha zix wants to be the perfect predator. I guess cho just wants to be big. Rek sai has already achieved her goal i guess. So I think void beings are trying to improve themselves the only way they can which is by destroying things. So maybe the void invasion is happening in order for them to continue improving. But thats just my guess.
Iwinatlife421 votesThe Void is the other. The outsiders from Dresden. The Spawn of the Elder gods from the C'thulu Mythos, The tyranids from 40k, The Burning legion from WoW, The White Walkers from game of thrones. They are alien and not of this world and will destroy us all not out of malice but simply because it is what they do.
Maximum Morde1 votesI'd actually rather it just be Nom all the things.
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-12-05T16:49:58.862+0000)
I'd actually rather it bjust e Nom all the things.
But we already know that it isn't.
Vel and Kog seem to be motivated by learning (by lasering and eating things, respectively)
Kha wants to improve himself (by eating things)
Based on her story, Rek is collecting souls (by eating things) to build a tunnel to the Void.
Based on his selection quote, Cho is collecting souls (by eating things) for unknown reasons.
That's already more of a motivation than 'nom all the things'. Obviously eating things is how the Void does stuff, but I'm more curious about the end-game. Why are they doing what they're doing? Is it just some deeply ingrained programming set up by whoever twisted the Void into a weapon forge? Or has it always been like that? Or does the Void have some reason why they want to consume worlds beyond the impulse to make more voidborn?
Thorgram1 votesPretty clear things have already been said, here's my two cents :
The Void creatures ( or precisely sentient creatures ) are about growth.
[{quoted}](name=Shin Tera EX,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QhA00uAH,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-12-05T14:09:49.372+0000) @Shin Tera
- Consume and Grow
- Consume and Adapt
- Consume and Learn
- Consume and Multiply
And Kog'Maw is in a bit of a weird spot, but Consume and Learn seem to be fitting.
So if we just keep this "Growth" instinct, they don't really need more. But why would they develop the use of language which is not necessary, expect for Vel'Koz in his thirst for knowledge.
So there is already something more than "Nom everything" but i would like some deeper understanding of the Void.
I really hope some new intelligent void creatures to see if this logic is correct.
Astropanda1 votesWhy can't it just be Nom all the things? It's a perfectly good starting point! Just have to add some interesting layers on top of that.
Rebonack1 votesWhy can't it just be Nom all the things? It's a perfectly good starting point! Just have to add some interesting layers on top of that.
That's basically what I mean. It's totally okay that the Void is out there noming all the things, but I would rather like it if there's more reason to this beyond 'lol, just 'cuz'.