They basically take some of his Star juice, put it into their bodies and then walk around proclaiming that they're God.
"Bravo, Nasus, you've ascended yourself into a dog! Now fetch me something more interesting."
"That whole practice of Ascension is adorably amusing, like a kitten trying to walk upright."
Fasmodey3 votesThey use celestial energy as material, they dont directly use it and become the demigods. I said it in an another thread. Just because you're using frog leg and goat skull in a black magic, it doesn't mean your spell gets the power from frog and skull. It is still your magic. So, that's correct, Ascended Beings use the power of Sun, but there must be much deeper things than the only Sun. Otherwise, Xerath wouldn't be able to have that much power. He is even more powerful than Aurelion Sol in unlimited form.
Aurelion Sol respects Xerath and thinks he is an interesting opportunity to become free. Because as we know, Xerath is able to use all magic types.
Igotlazy19 votesAurelion Sol would beat the ever living crap out of Xerath and literally every other playable Champion...together (minus Kindred I guess). I think you underestimate exactly what it means to "create and destroy stars on a whim". Those things are giant nuclear fusion reactors that expel unbelievable amounts of energy over the course of their lifetimes. Aurelion could very likely "accidentally" destroy Runeterra with one wrong move if he went full "Star Forger" size.
I think on the Q&A when asked what he thinks of Xerath, Riot responded that he would sort of relate to him because of the whole "being chained" thing, but otherwise still not be very happy about the Ascended stuff.
Fasmodey2 votesAurelion Sol would beat the ever living crap out of Xerath and literally every other playable Champion...together (minus Kindred I guess). I think you underestimate exactly what it means to "create and destroy stars on a whim". Those things are giant nuclear fusion reactors that expel unbelievable amounts of energy over the course of their lifetimes. Aurelion could very likely "accidentally" destroy Runeterra with one wrong move if he went full "Star Forger" size.
I think on the Q&A when asked what he thinks of Xerath, Riot responded that he would sort of relate to him because of the whole "being chained" thing, but otherwise still not be very happy about the Ascended stuff.
His unlimited power level is probably above than Aurelion Sol. He is magic incarnate. He can use any magic type. When he was human, he could summon lightnings and sand storms.
Only one that can be able to duel against Xerath is Aurelion Sol tho. Bard is powerful but in other way.
In interesting opportunity thing, I'm not talking from my ass:
Ebonmaw Dragon4 votesHis unlimited power level is probably above than Aurelion Sol. He is magic incarnate. He can use any magic type. When he was human, he could summon lightnings and sand storms.
Only one that can be able to duel against Xerath is Aurelion Sol tho. Bard is powerful but in other way.
Im pretty sure that they didnt say "Unlimited power level", they just said that he is stongest than Nasus, Renekton and Azir.
If He is an 11 in a scale of 1 to 10, Aurelion must be like an 9001 in a scale of 1 to 10.
And there is a BIG difference between "any magic type" and "most types of magic".
Sure, Aurelion sees Xerath as an opportunity of breaking the cosmic jewel crown, but just because he cant do it by himself without blowing up a star (or many stars)
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QEam0YHZ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-06T01:37:12.026+0000)
Im pretty sure that they didnt say "Unlimited power level", they just said that he is stongest than Nasus, Renekton and Azir.
If He is an 11 in a scale of 1 to 10, Aurelion must be like an 9001 in a scale of 1 to 10.
And there is a BIG difference between "any magic type" and "most types of magic".
Sure, Aurelion sees Xerath as an opportunity of breaking the cosmic jewel crown, but just because he cant do it by himself without blowing up a star (or many stars)
I included Aurelion Sol in another question. I said '' does it mean he is even more powerful than Aurelion Sol when he is not limited? '' Then he answered the question with sarcasm. Which means yes I think.
I actually didn't want to say '' Unlimited power '', I just wanted to say '' When he is not limited. '' You know, english is not my native language either.
I dont think a rioter would break the power scale that easily. He wanted to say he is beyond power scale.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesI included Aurelion Sol in another question. I said '' does it mean he is even more powerful than Aurelion Sol when he is not limited? '' Then he answered the question with sarcasm. Which means yes I think.
I actually didn't want to say '' Unlimited power '', I just wanted to say '' When he is not limited. '' You know, english is not my native language either.
I dont think a rioter would break the power scale that easily. He wanted to say he is beyond power scale.
English is not my native language as well, but the last question do not seems to be a confirmation of his power:
Do you know what happened to the Spinal Tap's last Drummer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZrqC5LL_oo
He exploded on stage.
So, Dinopawz could be saying that without the limitatons that he has, Xerath would explode and die because he cant handle such power.
Just like the drummer did.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QEam0YHZ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-06T01:58:28.676+0000)
English is not my native language as well, but the last question do not seems to be a confirmation of his power:
Do you know what happened to the Spinal Tap's Drummer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZrqC5LL_oo
He exploded on stage.
So, Dinopawz could be saying that without the limitatons that he has, Xerath would explode and die because he cant handle such power.
Just like the drummer did.
I knew something was deeply wrong with this message. xD
But I can't be sure what he was trying to say.
He may explode without any preparation but as we know Xerath can hold himself, even when it is tiring.
Xerath's power is growing, so with enough time, he may even don't need to hold himself.
I will ask it to Jaredan in ask.fm, let's hope he answers.
Igotlazy2 votesWell granted he flat out said that no, it isn't confirmation that Xerath is Aurelion Sol tier :P
He's probably REALLY powerful compared to other demigod-ish characters like the Aspects and the Ascended, but Star Dragon level? Probably not.
Fasmodey1 votesWell granted he flat out said that no, it isn't confirmation that Xerath is Aurelion Sol tier :P
He's probably REALLY powerful compared to other demigod-ish characters like the Aspects and the Ascended, but Star Dragon level? Probably not.
A Star Dragon who loses his consciousness time to time because of Targorian magic. He is super powerful like Xerath, but he is not undefeatable. Same for Xerath too.
I actually see them in same level, ofc when Xerath is unlimited. Limited Xerath is probably the most powerful Runeterran entity, but in galactic way? Big nope.
I feel like only arguable champions on the most powerful entities case are Xerath and Aurelion Sol. Bard is powerful but not in combat, so I wouldn't count him. Others are trash.
Sailor Miku2 votesXerath may be magic incarnate, but it still pales in comparison to the star-forging process that Aurelion Sol is capable of, and it's a power that Xerath will never be able to utilize.
Aurelion Sol mentions in his VO that "love is as real a force as gravity." He also mentions that the truest magic is unspoken, because writing, and speech by extension, merely butchers the intent.
The magic that Xerath learned was not as powerful as it could be; he learned the spells through written word, thus the intent is butchered, and even if he were to have the spell in his mind, he is merely reciting written words in his head. It is not the truest magic that Aurelion Sol talks about.
Now, take into account that Aurelion Sol forges stars, and is implied to be the only one capable of doing so, simply because he was brought into existence with that purpose. But to fulfill that purpose, he needs a singular condition, and for him, it is the unconditional, exceptional, purest love that he holds for his stars, because he places a tiny piece of himself in every star he creates. He loves his stars to a degree that we as mortals cannot fathom.
Each star is essentially, a near limitless fusion reactor. The tiny stars orbiting him were enough to permanently scar the land and caused an explosion that closed a rift in reality.
Aurelion Sol possesses greater power, simply because he is capable of using truest magic. While Xerath may be 'magic incarnate,' his utilized magic isn't as strong as it could be, because more often than not he would be drawing it from a "butchered intent." He'd probably have some killer lightning shows, though.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sailor Miku,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QEam0YHZ,comment-id=0000000000000002,timestamp=2016-05-08T03:02:27.085+0000)
Xerath may be magic incarnate, but it still pales in comparison to the star-forging process that Aurelion Sol is capable of, and it's a power that Xerath will never be able to utilize.
Aurelion Sol mentions in his VO that "love is as real a force as gravity." He also mentions that the truest magic is unspoken, because writing, and speech by extension, merely butchers the intent.
The magic that Xerath learned was not as powerful as it could be; he learned the spells through written word, thus the intent is butchered, and even if he were to have the spell in his mind, he is merely reciting written words in his head. It is not the truest magic that Aurelion Sol talks about.
Now, take into account that Aurelion Sol forges stars, and is implied to be the only one capable of doing so, simply because he was brought into existence with that purpose. But to fulfill that purpose, he needs a singular condition, and for him, it is the unconditional, exceptional, purest love that he holds for his stars, because he places a tiny piece of himself in every star he creates. He loves his stars to a degree that we as mortals cannot fathom.
Each star is essentially, a near limitless fusion reactor. The tiny stars orbiting him were enough to permanently scar the land and caused an explosion that closed a rift in reality.
Aurelion Sol possesses greater power, simply because he is capable of using truest magic. While Xerath may be 'magic incarnate,' his utilized magic isn't as strong as it could be, because more often than not he would be drawing it from a "butchered intent." He'd probably have some killer lightning shows, though.
Yes because Aurelion Sol = Magic.
Aurelion Sol doesn't know magic better than Xerath. He only uses star forging powers.
If the unspoken magic is the most powerful, than Syndra is the most powerful.
Decrit1 votesI honestly don' t think Aurelion is capable of that. Being able to create stuff does not equal to destroy it, and is not universal either.
For example this is taught by gameplay: his Q grows the more it travels with him, up to becoming far bigger than him. This is probably what happens when he forges starts, like a builder that builds an house. The builder afterwards is not able to pick it up and smash it over the head of somebody. However a builder is more than capable to smash a small doghouse over somebody' s head. I am not saying he is not terribly terribly powerful, but probably far less that he gives the impression to most times.
Igotlazy2 votesWell in his Teaser he flat out makes a Star.... then proceeded to crush it. Plus, it's his own power that's killing his Stars, it's just the Targonians are forcing him to use it for that.
Fasmodey1 votesWell in his Teaser he flat out makes a Star.... then proceeded to crush it. Plus, it's his own power that's killing his Stars, it's just the Targonians are forcing him to use it for that.
He says you get star dust, and add some star fire and voila. It continues without you.
So, he is just mixing matter and energy, then creates sun core. Then it continues without him.
He is able to resist star fire and he can control the matter, so that's why he is strong, but he doesn't have the power of all stars combined. May be he doesn't even have a entire single star's power.
That's like this, you may create nuclear bombs, but it doesn't mean you're powerful as much as all nuclear bombs combined. You're not even destructive than a single nuclear bomb.
Senate1 votes"The being now known as Aurelion Sol was already ancient by the time stellar debris first coalesced into worlds. Born in the first breath of creation, he roamed the vast nothingness, seeking to fill a canvas of incalculable breadth with marvels whose twinkling spectra brought him considerable delight and pride."
If we were to examine popular theories on the creation of the universe, matter wasn't able to bond for hundreds of thousands of years. The sheer energy of the universe would tear atoms apart. If he truly were simply mashing together a star, he wouldn't be able to, since hydrogen wasn't able to form for long periods of time without being reduced to subatomic particles. In my view, Aurelion Sol used magic to create his own stars, converting his celestial power to matter, then containing and nurturing the power until gravity and strong force would be great enough to overcome the cosmic chaos.
Decrit1 votespoint is... a star how much big?
because the aforementioned builder can even build a bird house :P
Also, about starts dying, i did not understood that he drawed power from the very stars he created. Rather...
"This is the scar I have left upon this world. A surge of damning pain shoots through my body, radiating from that infernal crown. I am about to pay.
My head snaps up, and my eyes drink the bitter sight of a dying star. My hearts clasp shut. My minds reel. An overwhelming sense of despair ricochets through my very soul, emanating from a deep and immediate sorrow, like the pulsing realization you’ve lost something precious and know it's all your fault. [...]
**A sun is the price of a single Pantheon. This is the cost of my unfettered wrath. This is the kind of boorish sorcery I must deal with. **"
More about drawing power from the stars, it seems like a star dying is the price for his act. Like as if he was punished, maybe by an enchantment on the crown tiself.
Skelenth1 votesI heard that example before, and I give it the same answer: In most fantasy rituals, the power does come from the object. It just isn't easily accessable. You don't just pour gasoline on a wheel and it starts turning, you burn it. You don't just burn the frog leg/goat skull (well, maybe you actually do, who knows) you use your spell to extract their innate power. You don't just let the sun shine on you, when you try to ascend, you capture it's energy via the sun disc, concentrate it, turn it into magic and then you let it shine on you
Fasmodey1 votesI heard that example before, and I give it the same answer: In most fantasy rituals, the power does come from the object. It just isn't easily accessable. You don't just pour gasoline on a wheel and it starts turning, you burn it. You don't just burn the frog leg/goat skull (well, maybe you actually do, who knows) you use your spell to extract their innate power. You don't just let the sun shine on you, when you try to ascend, you capture it's energy via the sun disc, concentrate it, turn it into magic and then you let it shine on you
Yeah, because without information, you could say Ascendants were ascended by Sun Power.
Because Sun turns you to animal, it's completely not your magic.
gatchi2 votesI love threads like these. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Hildebrand2 votesHere is my take:
Magic is entirely independant of both Sol and Xerath. It is, by it's nature, rewriting how the world normally functions, it's "laws" as it were.
Sol uses magic to convert energy into mass in a form that creates a chain reaction that isn't controlled, reaching nuclear fission, perpetuity.
Xerath on the other hand, via the ritual of ascendacy has basically become one with magic, however, due in part by his nature, and also in part of his lack of experience, he is essentially unable to use magic in the ingenious way that Sol does. Resulting in what Sol would see as lower tier spells.
However, Xerath's potential, is most likely far greater than Sol's as while Sol is powerful, he is not made of magic, he has no direct access to it, unlike Xerath.
Another possibility:
It's never stated that sol actively learned to make stars, it could very well be an innate gift of his being a cosmic dragon and all. At which point we have to say that sol's power is essentially limited, as he apparently never really cared to learn magic as he could naturally perform miracles.
CasterGilgamesh2 votespeople please lets remember Sol was born during the creation of the universe....
Senate1 votesObviously, there's more to him than what meets the eye. For him to exist during a period of such immense power indicates that he's not made of conventional matter, or perhaps be bound by something different (perhaps the essence of arcana?).
Serika Zero1 votesThe more funny part is how much Renekton and Azir shit on him in-game. Such a weakass champion, banworthy if you don't want your mid laner to cost you the game.
And lets not even talk about Targon aspects such as Diana and how much they rape the dragon every single time they see him post lv6 (phanteon post minute 1 and a half)
Igotlazy2 votesAurelion has a solid 53% winrate in Mid, 49% in Jungle and 51% in Top. He's tough to play, but not exactly what you would call a "weakass" champion.
Serika Zero1 votesand http://champion.gg/champion/Illaoi has 47% win rate despite being one of the shittiest champions in this game, that if case the enemy knows her abilities, she only has 2 single abilitys, one of them with over 1 minute cooldown. And the worse KDA in the game in all regions in all leagues. But there's no way that means she's shit.
In case of Sol, people need to learn 1 simple stuff. GET IN HIS FACE. Once people finally learn that, his win rate as well as score will go down faster than a drunk bitch on a saturday night.
everyone shits on the dragon as long as they know his weakness. It just takes a while to figure it out, especially by a community such as this, for whom it takes like 5 patches to figure out a champion is bad or trash.
Igotlazy1 votes"that if case the enemy knows her abilities, she only has 2 single abilitys, one of them with over 1 minute cooldown" This isn't a perfect world. People aren't guaranteed to dodge skill shots. If that was the case, Lux basically only has 1 ability.
Champion.gg takes it's statistics from Plat+, so if the Space Dragon is performing decent in a world where actually competent players are using him and playing against him, I don't think the strategy of "getting in his face" is always an option. Obviously getting into his zone is the best way to fight him, but he has tools to avoid that. Such as a giant star stun, or the roar, or a Rylai's slow.
Serika Zero1 votesplat+ of dynamicq and that's important
and i've seen lcs pro players behind the curve in terms of champion power level. For example, ryze at worlds last year. And those are "pros" they get payed for playing this game. The champion sucks, but it takes time for people to understand it sucks. Sadly he sucks so much that when people overall understand how much he sucks, he will go to hell.
Also, Illaoi's skills have 1 second windup, her E is useless even if she actually hits it. All you have to do is trade with her, and btw, if she attacks close = she does less dmg to you = you win trade and if she attacks you, it goes equal. But since she's melee, and two of her abilities doesn't do shit you win that trade as well.
As a side note, Lux can hit her e and q in under 0.5seconds to nearby targets. Her e also has a huge range that even if you see it coming, if its aimed perfectly and you got no dash, its going to hit you. Sucks that over 50% of the champions in this game have dashes
Igotlazy1 votesDynamic Queue doesn't have that much of an impact. Plats can't queue up with anything below Gold. Sure you probably have a couple of high golds factored into some of the Stats, but overall it's a pretty accurate indication of power.
Aurelion's winrate is higher in Diamond than Platinum so meh.
Again you can't assume everyone is mechanically perfect and going to dodge everything.
Dreamspitter1 votesStar Juice?
ootay
