a lore question

nosafterburn·Jul 11, 2017·1 votes·544 views

So now that we have been introduced to the Vastaya, nad we have known of the Targonians my question is this: Are they related? Now the reason I ask this is because in the Targonians stories we have read each champ has come across a figure that seems to not be human but is very human like. For example in 's story she meets with a small golden goat child then becomes the aspect. This goat child SEEMS to be what a vastayan is. If this theory is true then my second question is: when the Shurimans would "Ascend" are they basically becoming aspects themselves of the Targonians for that region? Just was wondering these things and was hoping to get some answers. Thanks for the input (if any). [slayer-jinx-catface]

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Wrathof300Jul 11, 20175 votes

With regard to the Ascended of Shurima and the Aspects of Targon, they are similar rituals where chosen warriors are imbued with celestial energy and hence transfigured, however Shurima specifically used the Sun's power, and as of yet we don't know if one form is superior to the other Aspects > Ascended, or vice versa? There is also a theory that Shurima's Sun Disc may have be influenced/ inspired by a previous Aspect of the Sun, before current times.

Not sure about about the Sun Targonian (going to call him this for clarification) has ties to the Vastaya but something interesting to note: Soraka used to be a celestial, likely when her new lore comes she has ties to Targon, and she too looks like a goat person (however, it has been confirmed that she has no ties to the vastaya) so take that for what you will.

nosafterburnJul 12, 20172 votes

thanks for the info. Makes sense, but I still am curious if maybe there was some point a Targonian decided to mess with the mortals around them and after a few drinks "Vataya! heyyyy..." lol

Stars ShaperJul 13, 20171 votes

Aspects seem to be more about a "role" rather than raw power while Ascended develop one or more main traits of a person.

Unless we get more infos about how powerful the Aspects are I'd put them on the same level (Taric can face both the armies of Noxus and Demacia with a high chance of coming out victorious) except for Xerath which seem to be powerful on a cosmic level that even Targonian Aspects might struggle against.

FasmodeyJul 13, 20171 votes

I think Xerath would one shot Diana, Leona and Pantheon together lol.

Stars ShaperJul 13, 20171 votes

Most likely xD Taric can ult though :P

LordHippomanJul 11, 20171 votes

The Targonians are a space-faring empire, the Mt. Targon on Runeterra is just one of their many settlements. Vastayah aren't necessarily aspects, taking weird shapes is sort of a common trait of gods in stories like this, so I would be surprised if they were related.

Ascended Shurimans are not Aspects. They aren't quite "gods", just nigh immortal beings. They still have very human failures and flaws, but in much more powerful bodies. The Aspects, as far as we know, are on a different level entirely. They inhabit the bodies of mortals, and may or may not have their own.

GreenLoreJul 12, 20171 votes

Uhm I think you misread that in Leonas lore,that wasn't a goat child,but a child with bat wings(if anything the aspect looked like a small golden devil)

And Dianas aspect takes on the appearance of an old lady,while Tarics looks like a human made of space,so they don't necessarily have animal forms.

nosafterburnJul 13, 20171 votes

I might have misread, but the fact that they can take other forms sounds very OG Vastayan

GreenLoreJul 13, 20171 votes

But Vastaya are animal people. And the only one who of them who has animal features was the sun aspect. Not to mention that the aspects are a spacefaring race that merges with the bodies of mortals,that has nothing to do with the vastaya...

nosafterburnJul 13, 20171 votes

but I thought ancient vastaya were magical shape-shifters that that got their groove on with humans leading into today's known race

GreenLoreJul 13, 20171 votes

You mean the Vastayasha'rei?

That would be a possibility,though I still rather doubt it. After all we have no idea if the aspects have any shapeshifting abilities in the first place. The aspect of the sun might always look like a golden boy with bat wings,we don't know if he has the ability to shapeshift or not.(keep in mind that leona is merely the vessel of the sun aspect,she is actually not the aspect herself)

nosafterburnJul 13, 20171 votes

well it's all just speculation and brain worms anyway, but thanks for the ideas and discussion. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]