Variety of VGU champions on schedule

Zoli Ben··10 votes·1,374 views

Hi! I am no big fan of Swain, his character just never had that element of coolness I like in champions. Perhaps it will change with the rework like it did for Warwick and Galio. They now have things that I find attractive in them. For the past few years, the major VGUs we had (where they did new voice animation lore) have been Sion->Tristana->Gangplank->Poppy->Taric->Ryze->Yorick->Warwick->Galio-Urgot->Evelynn->Swain. You can notice that there never been more than three good or evil/light or dark character in row, and never from same role back to back, so never two Juggernaut rework followed after eachother, and the area of the champion where ir is from also varied. Closest exception to this is Warwick and Urgot, and now Urgot and Swain. The former has strong Zaun ties, while in latter case Noxian connections.

With the exception of Urgot, and even though its not the intention, he will still be playable as ADC in some setup, situations and builds, we have no ADC on tier one list.

There are main candidates I have seen over the years mentioned for possible update. -Ezreal VGU where only W changed seems to be taking a bomb and be done without VGU, says Meddler. -Corki looks hideous and is rarely seen these days, and more often on mid than bot lane. -Quinn has been wanted by so many players to be given a full VGU, I am rather curious about it myself now. -Kog'Maw has been also a suggested candidate by Rioters -Caitlyn to make her look more Piltover like

And last, but not least Kennen, who is often played as ADC these days, so I mention him here, totally needs new looks at least.

Keep in mind, I do not care about how big changes they would get gameplay wise, I just feel like the current tier 1 candidates need expanded by one or two adcs, who truly deserve some love.

I am no ADC main by any means, but I love playing Urgot on bot and have great joy with him there.

I just want some of the playerbase feel happy, the ADC main part to be exact. The current schedule after Swain, Akali, arguabely Nunu, Kayle, Morgana will all be about top and jungle characters. Not much of a variety. Nunu needed VGU more than Swain, yet was denied for variety reasons and the current list barely has any of that.

I am just trying to say, that a Tristana scale VGU would not harm any of these characters, and would not need that much work as Sion for example.

What do you guys think about this?

26 Comments

ChíckenDaddy2 votes

As far as a Quinn rework is concerned, she would most likely end up like urgot as a ranged toplaner, not an adc. seeing as that's how she's mostly played top with jg as her second most played role.

IxtaliKing2 votes

Everyone always forgets the 1st major VGU - Karma

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Trist never got a vgu, corki is playes alot lately.

BoilTheOil8 votes

trist got a vgu idk what ur talking about

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Trists kit has literally been the same since I started playing, with some very minor changes.

If we count hers we should also count: cait, corki, Graves, ahri, zyra, veigs, fizz, lb, swain, vlad, malz, darius, mord, skarner, garan, ryze, shyv, zac, reksai, sej, mao, rammus, etc.

The vgu urgot, eve, n swain are getting essentially strip them down to their characters n rebuild them with very little remaining from who they once we're n what they once did.

Galio, sion, fiora, ww, n poppy to some degree all got masave overhauls that reshaped them as champions, trist however did not, her q has always been a as modifier, her w always a jump, her e always a bomb(although slightly changed) n her ult always has been the same. To put trist in the same catagory as the others would be simply work.

Sukishoo2 votes

Not true.

Fiora, WW, Poppy kept a lot of their kits intact. Eve is also set to keep some of hers as it is a modernization of said champion. Trist basically fits under the same area of an update.

cait, corki, Graves, ahri, zyra, veigs, fizz, lb, swain, vlad, malz, darius, mord, skarner, garan, ryze, shyv, zac, reksai, sej, mao, rammus, etc.

All of those were Gameplay Updates and mainly parts of the now discontiunted class updates.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Fiora, brand new ult, massively upgraded w, buffed q, new passive, better e for her new kit.

Poppy, new passive, new ult, same e, buffed newish q - I did follow her name with a to a extent.

Ww - pretty much same q, ngl I can't remember his old or new passive atm, upgraded w, new e n although his ult is still a supression it's still pretty different then the old one

Trist? She got a minor change on her e, again if we're gonna count her we may as well count all the other ones I said.

Sukishoo5 votes

What you're missing is Tris got a Visual update to go along with it. This is why she is listed under Visual and Gameplay Update, not just a Gameplay Update. Those others that were part of Class Update didn't as they had no art work done to their champions.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

... still massively different then the rest lol, champs get visual works done to them all the time, she just happened to get a minor tweak at the same time. All the other champs got massive vgus trists is like a super minor one, as in so minor it shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as the others.

Sukishoo5 votes

No, Riot no longer does standalone Visual Updates, they haven't for quite some time. They only do VIsual and Gameplay Updates or Gameplay Updates.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Really they just gave ahri liss n Cass small visual updates not to long ago. Not major but still updates all the same. Point remains the same, trists update shouldn't be in the same sentence ad the others. When riot talks about vgus it's the updates that recreated chsmpions, trist still functions pretty much the same way.

Sukishoo5 votes

Say what?! They haven't touched the art looks of Ahri or Liss since their release. All that's been done there was Texture Rebalancing which is very different that Visual Updates. Cass was a minor one where mostly smoothing out some of the older shapes was all that was really done. Actual last Visual update done was Alistar in 2015 where he was given a completely new model.

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/03/ask-riot-ranked-aram/

But as clearly stated here they do not plan on doing standalone VUs anymore as VGUs are received better.

Trist still goes under that as seen on https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884-Champion-Update-Schedule in the Previous Updates section. It's just like MF, initial she had a small VGU done which was mostly a Visual Update when they did Gangplanks VGU and then later did her full GU in the Marksman Update.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I texture or particle update is still visual is it not? It's something I see n look at, therefore it's a small visual update. My point still remains, whether they updated get visuals or not, her gu was basically non existent. Ypu can consider it the same as sion, fi, ww, poppy, urgpt, taric, raka, sion, n galio, but in the end its not.

Sukishoo4 votes

No, they are in fact not. They are just balancing out colors and changing minor appearances in weapons, clothing, ect details but the actual models of the champion have no changes made. Visual updates are fully remodeling the champion with a new look, rig, animations.

Example of Visual Update and Gamplay Updated Champion https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cmn3cABpt14/WL91YpYyPtI/AAAAAAAAfgA/9T-lIyHmcj0u2j781xE_pAzecVGISzyEgCLcB/s1600/0compare.jpg

Example of Standalone Visual Update Champion http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sUMtuLFvaQE/VLNdQ7KX-EI/AAAAAAAAhEE/Hh2SYLgbz44/s1600/base%2Bali%2Bcompare%2B2.jpg

Example of Texture Updated Champion http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pG3SGqHzDHo/VBNirltvB1I/AAAAAAAAYco/o3ZSqUZjkCc/s1600/ahr0.jpg

Example of Texture updated skin https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UehtOjVORgg/WVL3akOA8xI/AAAAAAAAn70/8rLjfTFy4-0AN4PrE8yZMiTH6egVGfCjwCLcBGAs/s1600/graves0compare.png

Riot considers Trist the same, so she is.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

It's still visual lol

DwarvenGiant5 votes

Semantics aside, you're seriously missing- No, avoiding the point...

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Na point has remained the same.

Trist, although labeled as a VGU is in no where near the same as the other recent VGUs.

When you look at what was done with Galio, Sion, WW, Fiora, Urgot, Taric, and to a lesser extent Poppy, Raka, and Shen, her VGU is very minimal, if you weren't ever told you would of had no idea her game play was updated instead of a minor tweak.

Outside of gaining some visual upgrades, she was less of a update then a lot of the champion roster updates. I'd say Ziggs got more changes then she did.

Sukishoo2 votes

Na point has remained the same.

Nope, you missed it entirely.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Nope I'm pretty sure I understand the entirity of what you've tried to state. Riot labels her as a VGU, I get it, doesn't mean her VGU should be spoken in the same breath as the rest.__

midnight oil241 votes

Incorrect. They gave her a new E and gave her a visual update. There were some other changes but I can't remember what they were.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Read my above comment

Sukishoo3 votes

Her's was indeed considered a VGU https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884-Champion-Update-Schedule

01/28/2015 Tristana Visual and Gameplay Update

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Read my comment above

Gehco1 votes

Quinn was said to be tier 2 on the VGU, so is that like next year?

Valor Bot1 votes

If they find a cool direction for any one of these champs it's always possible they'll knock them out before some of the Tier 1 candidates (i.e. Nunu, Morde). Just because they're Tier 1 doesn't mean they're next in line per se, just means they're most in need (but without a solid direction, they have to stay on the waiting list until some good ideas crop up).

I agree that Ezreal seems to be in a spot where he's successful enough as a champion that he'd only need a mini gameplay update alongside visual changes, much like Tristana. Personally I feel he could use some kit changes to orient him more towards an 'explorer / archaeologist' type theme but that's just me. Right now he plays mostly as a mobile artillery person which doesn't feel all that thematic. Maybe his glove could be an in-game item with upgrades like Viktor.

Quinn has always been somewhat of a weird marksman; she's not even classified as one anymore so when her update comes up it's possible they'd go in a more 'ranged assassin' type direction for her rather than ADC. Reav3 also stated her art and theme needs a lot of work so she'd be a complete reimagining like Sion and Yorick, instead of a modernization like WW. Same goes for Corki.

I agree Kog'Maw could probably use some significant changes as well, though I'm not sure whether it'd be an update with very few kit changes like Trist/Ezreal's or maybe a larger one like Urgot's. He's a popular champion who fits the theme of a void artillery pup, seems mostly like his visuals are just out of line. Though there is the problem of his rework having flunked, so it's possible they'll wanna go back and do well on that.

Caitlyn I feel is similar to Ez where she mostly just needs visual changes and perhaps a cool new ability in place of one of her weaker ones. She's already a well-loved champion by the community, she just needs a little nudge to feel more like the sheriff of Piltover.

Anyway yeah I feel a marksman to shake things up a bit in the VGU department would be good, most of the high priority champs are junglers / top laners so a ranged damage dealer thrown in the mix would be nice as well :)

Frolo1 votes

I do feel that katarina could benefit right now from an update roughly of the same scope that MF received recently.

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