Love The New Story, But SInce When Were TF And Graves Bilgewater Champions? Am I Missing Something?

Impetual·Jul 26, 2015·4 votes·7,043 views

They always seemed to have a western motif that doesn't really mesh well with the pirate atmosphere of Bilgewater.

Although the Bilgewater event is really well written and awesome, it seems kinda odd that this story isn't about Miss Fortune and Gangplank, but rather two champions that don't even feel like they are from there.

Wouldn't MF and GP be much better central characters for a Bilgewater Event?

Edit: My bad, I missed that TF and Graves were retconned into Bilgewater lore.

I didn't see any new lore releases for them outside this event.

25 Comments

5000000000000000Jul 26, 20152 votes

MF and GP will probably show up more in Act 3. They showed up briefly in Act 2.

Acolyte of SteelJul 26, 20152 votes

... Graves and TF were both born and raised in Bilgewater. TF was enlisted as a Neutral champion because he just doesn't give a f-ck. I believe Graves was either neutral, or neutral/Bilgewater.

ImpetualJul 26, 20153 votes

That's pretty cool actually, what lore was that published in?

I really wanna read it!

edit: Just looked at LoLwiki, and It seems Riot changed the lore on me. My bad. Sorry for not keeping up the the retcon.

R.I.P. Classic TF and Graves.

Btw, it's kinda weird that LoLwiki still has the classic definition of Summoner on their site.

Someone should tell them the term no longer has any meaning in this game. Poor fools.

Acolyte of SteelJul 26, 20152 votes

Old Lore, I'm afraid. I can't find a resource for the originals I speak of here, so hopefully someone else will pitch in with some sauce for my retelling!

Twisted Fate was still born to Gypsies, which does kinda make sense for Bilgewater. His oldest lore assumes he was born to Serpentine Gypsies, as in the newest lore, but I couldn't find that for the lore just prior to it. Graves was found in the back of a Bilgewater bar as an infant, left with nothing but his swaddling blanket and a bottle of spiked milk. The two of them didn't meet each other until they were men, both grown up as con-men and cheaters in Bilgewater's Underground, in separate circles. It was the only way to survive: Men born with nothing risk everything, or die on the streets with nothing still. For them, it paid off. They cheated, gunned, gutted, and gambled their way to the very top of Bilgewater's underground networks until finally, after probably 20-somethin' years, the two men faced each other for their fortunes. It's said that people from all across Bilgewater gathered to watch them play...

There was no telling who would win. It could really go either way. Every card dealt seemed to shift the balance of play... Then, on the last hand, both of them flipped the same winning cards. While the crowd lost their minds with shock, joy, and anger, they both kicked back in their chairs, pondering each other. They were both the best at what they did, and now they knew it for sure. It was a partnership that would last a lifetime - or, so they thought.

That was allll before various Zaunite doctors got involved and turned them on each other. Hope you can find the source and read it for yourself!

SharjoJul 26, 20154 votes

Btw, it's kinda weird that LoLwiki still has the classic definition of Summoner on their site.

Someone should tell them the term no longer has any meaning in this game. Poor fools.

This literally comes straight from that page you're referring to:

As of late 2014, Riot has stated that the concept of a Summoner (as found in the lore of the game) is to be altered, Institute of War is going to be removed and thus the in-lore League of Legends is to be "Fully Relaunched" again.

Also the origin of Graves was never retconned; he's always been from Bilgewater.

ImpetualJul 27, 20151 votes

Point 1: Granted, it says what you've posted in small text as an after thought without any kind of description of what is replacing it.

Here's a copy of the article mentioned:

"A player in League of Legends takes on the role of a summoner, a gifted spell caster who has the power to bring forth a champion to fight as their avatar in the Fields of Justice. With all major political decisions on Valoran now decided by the outcome of the contests that take place in the battle arenas, a summoner is the key force of change on the continent. As the summoner controls the champion in combat, the summoner also influences the outcome of the match through the use of summoner spells, runes, and masteries. Once a match is over, the summoner gains experience and influence points. Experience points allow the summoner to gain increased powers by unlocking additional spells and rune slots, while influence points allow the summoner to gain access to new champions and new runes for use in future fights.

(As of late 2014, Riot has stated that the concept of a Summoner (as found in the lore of the game) is to be altered, Institute of War is going to be removed and thus the in-lore League of Legends is to be "Fully Relaunched" again.)"

This tells us that the old lore doesn't matter, but the new lore will be coming soon*tm. So far, Riot has not even hinted at what summoners are in the new League of Legends lore.

Riot has yet to actually give a detailed description of what the "new kind" summoner is, as such, it makes sense to use the previous definition until RIot actually comes up with a new one.

SharjoJul 26, 20153 votes

Born to the nomadic river-folk of the Serpentine, the boy was taught the magic of the cards at an early age and soon learned what it was to be hated.

From his new extended lore.

So he wasn't born and raised in Bilgewater, he was raised wherever the Serpentine River is, which used to be (dunno if it still is) the river that ran through Summoner's Rift. God knows where it is now, might be on the Blue Flame Isles but I doubt it. The Serpentine was actually mentioned in his very first lore all the way back in beta.

ImpetualJul 27, 20155 votes

Would be nice to actually have a map of retconned Runeterra.

RiotRiotJaredanJul 27, 20157 votes

The Serpentine River is not too far from Bilgewater at all. It's runs through part of the archipelago that includes the island that Bilgewater occupies.

Ironclad DragonJul 27, 20152 votes

http://img.wikia.nocookie.net/intmap_tile_set_738/thumb/20140728092924!phpwBA8KT.jpg/680x382x5-20140728092924!phpwBA8KT.jpg

I know it's outdated, but I got nothing else. It's as far from Bilgewater as one can be...

RiotRiotJaredanJul 27, 20157 votes

Not any longer.

Ironclad DragonJul 28, 20152 votes

Good to know.

ImpetualJul 28, 20152 votes

What does that mean?

SharjoJul 28, 20152 votes

It means the old map isn't correctand Runeterra has changed geographically in the new canon.

BudupopsJul 28, 20152 votes

new map soon pls

SharjoJul 27, 20151 votes

Ok, makes sense now; while the Serpentine isn't technically part of Bilgewater, it's still part of the whole Blue Flame Isles archipelago.

I'm curious, we know of Bilgewater, Buhru and now the Serpentine as main locales on that island chain, now I'm wondering what the other islands are like.

ImpetualJul 28, 20152 votes

A text based explanation isn't justification for lack of a geographical map.

@Riot, If you're going to include a geographical aspect to your lore, you should release it with your retconned content.

The fact that you aren't releasing a map of Retconned Runeterra makes it seem like you still don't know what you're planning to do with lore.

Seriously RIot, If you had a plan for the retconned lore, it is pretty unimaginable that you wouldn't have a map of the Retconned Runeterra already created upon the first instance of the new lore being released...barring the possibility that your Lore team is completely incompetent... which I hate to say... is becoming increasingly more likely.

OfficerVakarianJul 28, 20151 votes

It's hard to see on This image, but if you look at Bilgewater in the top map, and again in the bottom map, they completely changed the shape, and it now has a river throug the south side of it. My money's on that being the new Serpentine River.

ImpetualJul 27, 20152 votes

Where did you get that info from?

Ebonmaw DragonJul 26, 20152 votes

Well, technically TF is not from Bilgewater, neither from any other City State...

And Graves was always from Bilgewater

GreenLoreJul 26, 20152 votes

Graves was always a Bilgewater champ. TF was of unknown origin(his beta-lore did talk about him being from the serpentine rivers),but since he was in a team with Graves it is safe to say that he did have a connection to bilgewater.

Overall Bilgewater isn't just a pirate state,it also has a pretty rogue feeling to it.

Solidair3Jul 27, 20152 votes

I think TF had resided in Bilgewater for a long time, at least in his old lore. He was actually from Demacia, though.

This seems to have changed with his update, the origin of his card abilities also seem less forced than his original story. His original story was pretty bad!

AproximaJul 28, 20151 votes

News. None of LoL characters are champions anymore.

Right now they're just random people of varying level of importance.

Jungle Lux GodJul 28, 20151 votes

Graves always had ties to Bilgewater. I didn't read his new lore yet, but according to his old lore he was born in Bilgewater and grew up there.

Not sure about TF though.

EvilMerodachJul 28, 20151 votes

I don't think Bilgewater is exactly a 'pirate island.' It's more of an outcast/outlaw/runaway land, but only for the people with some true grit. ;) Then, once there, most resort to pirating, because...hey..broke one (big) law, might as well break a couple (hundred) more to make some moneys, and no one in Bilgewater is gonna give a f$%^, as long as you're tough and stick up for yourself/'yer crew.' Both Graves and TF fit well there, because they're both outlaws as a big part of their character, and both tough/sharp witted in their own ways.