The thing that bugs me most about the lore right now.

Baron Von Bangin··37 votes·3,039 views

That fact that anything and everything cannot be talked about by narrative right now because spoilers.

Let me be clear. I can understand not talking about the next up and coming champion because of spoilers. I understand not being able to expand on recently released champs because of spoilers. What I hate is that narrative wont talk about champions that have been in the game for years, with an established back story that lore fans have come to love.

Like... what's that about? How is that fair to want to know what in the name of Gepetto is going on with certain champions right now who used to have an established set of lore can suddenly not be talked about because it would "spoil the surprise"?

If we want to know what is happening with Jax right now you can't tell us no. He is essentially deleted from the game because of the retcon and has nothing. There is no surprise that should be at risk of spoiling. He HAD lore. Give it back. He had an established story that readers and fans knew. You can't take that away and leave fans in the dark because it's going to spoil the fun for you, the narrative team.

It's absurd. It's like if suddenly CBS decided that they should just relaunch the entire Star Trek timeline but this time without the Federation. All those rules and morals and regulations are really getting in the way of all those super duper cool stories a bunch of new, freshly graduated writers wanna make badly narrated videos about. So the whole series is relaunched and all the characters, races and key storylines are invalidated.

Basically it's this: "Is Spock still a Vulcan? Riot Narrative: "WELL GOLLY GEE WE WOULDN'T WANNA SPOIL THAT!"

"... Is Picard still a character?" Riot Narrative: "HMMMMMM... I guess you'll have to wait and see! TEE HEE!"

"...Why is the Federation gone?" Riot Narrative: "Having a unique Government entity that upheld peace and diversity, that introduced a set of rules that were morally well-intentioned but not fully universal that created for interesting, dramatic story-telling, and was still flawed and possibly corrupt was WAAYYYYY to restricting. How could we write a coherent story with that in place?"

"When will all these new episodes come out? Riot Narrative: "No idea. We're having tech issues."

TL;DR: You can't spoil established lore. Give us that. Save your spoiler excuse for new content, not what should have been replaced the minute the retcon was announced.

23 Comments

Alljoy8 votes

It's like if suddenly CBS decided that they should just relaunch the entire Star Trek timeline but this time without the Federation. All those rules and morals and regulations are really getting in the way of all those super duper cool stories a bunch of new, freshly graduated writers wanna make badly narrated videos about. So the whole series is relaunched and all the characters, races and key storylines are invalidated.

This.

Samuel L Jaxx2 votes

It's absurd. It's like if suddenly CBS decided that they should just relaunch the entire Star Trek timeline but this time without the Federation. All those rules and morals and regulations are really getting in the way of all those super duper cool stories a bunch of new, freshly graduated writers wanna make badly narrated videos about. So the whole series is relaunched and all the characters, races and key storylines are invalidated.

Buuuut....didnt Kirk break so many rules acting like a space cowboy anyway??

Baron Von Bangin2 votes

AND WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN BETTER IF THOSE RULES WEREN'T EVEN THERE TO CHALLENGE HIS MORALS AT ALL? :D

Jeddy0174 votes

Well,wouldn't rules have to be there in the 1st place for Kirk to break in order to act like space cowboy?

A Superb Villain8 votes

So what you are saying is Riot's Narrative team announced an unexpected, despite being subtly foreshadowed by the gradual removal of all references to the Institute of War, change that substantially impacts the entire setting without offering any consultation in addition to being entirely unprepared to deliver the expectations they created?

http://gamefob.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/oh-my-george-takei.gif

Baron Von Bangin12 votes

I wouldn't call it entirely unexpected. Lots of people were asking about it before it even happened. I will say, Riot sure wasn't doing us any favors by denying the retcon and having a rework as "modern" as Nidalee still referencing summoners.

But at least the newest Star Trek reboots have the decency to maintain previous and dearly loved canon. I guess J.J. Abrams just has more respect for fans :^)

http://media.tumblr.com/2eda64e8dd9f31fd6a714a0d31747904/tumblr_inline_mpjjseDLdn1qz4rgp.gif

Motajo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron Von Bangin,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAELOFnq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-03-17T18:24:45.553+0000)I will say, Riot sure wasn't doing us any favors by denying the retcon and having a rework as "modern" as Nidalee still referencing summoners.

The reference to summoners is still there because they didn't do a new VO, for neither Nid's VU nor her gameplay rework. I'm betting that, if they had bothered with another VO, they wouldn't have put those references in.

Baron Von Bangin5 votes

Ah yes, you are correct on that point. But they still denied the retcon when signs were pointing towards it. Sure, they said it was from a lack of communication but how many times can they use that excuse?

Motajo5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron Von Bangin,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAELOFnq,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-17T20:12:46.275+0000)denied the retcon when signs were pointing towards it

Yeah, it's just another thing about this whole ordeal that ticks me off. A tweet from a red--Kitae, I believe--assured us that the IoW was still canon. Fast forward a few months, and BAM, the foundation of the game is torn down.

Department-hopping or not, I figured Kitae was still in the loop enough to know about this. There were signs of the retcon from the moment IoW lore began to slow, even if no one knew at the time; surely the decision to retcon the League didn't fully happen during the time Kitae wasn't specifically on the lore team.

If she did know about this, why were we lied to? If she didn't, how was communication bad enough for this big a decision to be quietly greenlighted?

GhostOfShrimpmas1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron Von Bangin,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAELOFnq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-03-17T18:24:45.553+0000)

But at least the newest Star Trek reboots have the decency to maintain previous and dearly loved canon. I guess J.J. Abrams just has more respect for fans :^)

Just not for their eyes.

Baron Von Bangin2 votes

As a long time Star Trek fan I thought the movies were pretty typical of a Star Trek movie. Typical of a Star Trek episode? No. The movies always lacked the substance the shows had, but movies run on a different fuel than hour timed 20 episode long seasons.

EDIT: Unless you meant his use of lens flare. Then yes, I was blinded all the way through.

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

I don't think I've seen a retcon this bad since a Brand New Day.

LeeDark2 votes

Well, you know... except for the whole thing retconning Khan into almost a completely different character. And that bit about the Federation being an organization bent on war and domination rather than peace and exploration. You're right, though, that was a better retcon than this. At least they tried to explain why everything changed.

Baron Von Bangin2 votes

Yes, there are some vast differences between the Prime Star Trek universe and the new movie-verse, but that's the thing, they KEPT the original universe and it is still considered "higher" canon than the new movies in terms of Star Trek continuity. These new movies are just 2 hour "what ifs". I'm fine with that.

Tesla Effect3 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Superb Villain,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAELOFnq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-17T18:03:48.171+0000) http://gamefob.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/oh-my-george-takei.gif

Rebloging this just because of that gif.

KING OF MASKS8 votes

At this point they need to start discussing what they're working on, spoilers be damned. The lore vacuum has gone on for far too long.

There's a fine line between wanting to create suspense and surprise the playerbase, and just straight incompetence.

Baron Von Bangin8 votes

It's especially painful when they have to fix up how many champions? How long does it take them to do just ONE? I mean, Singed better have the best god damned deep, emotion churning, life changing lore I've ever read because they've DEFINITELY been keeping that one a priority.

A Superb Villain5 votes

His father was a bartender. His mother was a baker. There was much mixing. Singed found his calling.

Dustogrei7 votes

Your Star Trek example is so spot on that I cannot upvote you enough. I think keeping the institute but developing its imperfections further - the idea of corruption and entities striving to take it down, would have been a fantastic option.

Baron Von Bangin4 votes

Just replace Admiral with High Summoner and we've got ourselves some corruption!

Migrañaboy5 votes

It's not about spoilers, it's about not being creative and not wanting to predict how the future champs will fit with the lore in the present. They avoid making compromises by being as eclectic as possible.

Starlighte5 votes

Agreed and +1, especially for the tl;dr.

Riot has no good reason for telling us that they can't discuss champions whose lore has been decimated by this shit retcon (Morgana and Kayle anybody? Why are they here now...?) and not give us a chance to weigh in and help with direction.

Who is Narrative producing lore for? Themselves, or the players they want *consuming *it?

Ever heard of an author that writes without their audience in mind at least a little bit? No, that's because they don't get published.

Awoof4 votes

Only suggestion I can give is to read fiction/stories of actually good writers.

I don't know if you watch South Park, but the narrative team reminds me of their parody of George R. R. Martin, "It's coming soon. Wait for it. It's coming, really! But let me talk about schlongs for some hours first. Bard " Or rather, years, in this case.

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