Zoe is more of a chaotic good character whereas traditional tricksters are chaotic evil evil/neutral

Rebonack·11/30/2017, 6:05:23 PM·8 votes·853 views

So, hang on just a sec here.

Zoe waltzes into a town and does some magical stuff, spooking the population. The villagers call for guards, since they believe her to be some kind of malevolent entity. Given that she has god-like power, these guards pose no threat to her what so ever. She could have just floated up into the air outside of spear throwing range. Or put them all to sleep, since that's a thing we learned she could do just a few paragraphs prior. Instead of taking a course of action to protect others at the expense of self (like a Good character would typically do) she immediately resorts to overwhelming lethal force.

Now at this point we come to muddled point. From the story it sounds like she nuked the whole town off the face of the planet. According to a Rioter, she only killed the guards and leveled their barracks/watchtower. If she did the former, that is unquestionably an Evil act. The latter is Neutral at best, since she was still 'technically' acting in self defense, even if her response was massively unreasonable. But that isn't considering that the barracks probably had innocent people in them who weren't threatening Zoe. Not to mention anyone who might have gotten vaporized for the capital crime of standing too close to Zoe's target.

This is justified by: 'Zoe serves the bigger picture, aka humanity as a whole, and sometimes helping humanity happens at the expense of individuals.'

Problem is, 'The Ends Justifies the Means' isn't a Good philosophy. It's Lawful Evil. Not only is it useful for getting otherwise Good people to do Evil things, more insidiously it degrades the value of an individual life into nothing more than a numbers game. People are considered collectively and the value of a single person simply doesn't matter. That's a gross dismissal of the value of a person, which is one of the hallmarks of Evil.

This is quite consistent with the behavior we've seen so far out of the Space Parasites, though. They claim to be the 'Good Guys' and they claim to be serving the 'Greater Good' of the cosmos as a whole, but from our end they seem like tyrants and not much else. Why should I believe them when they say they have everyone's best interests at heart? They sure don't act like it.

16 Comments

Ralanr11/30/2017, 6:05:58 PM5 votes

Honestly I saw Zoe as chaotic neutral.

The Bardic Gay11/30/2017, 6:12:02 PM4 votes

Riot should really stop trying to apply DnD alignment to their characters, it always lead to problems, partly because the Alignment system is hotly debated to begin with.

You also forgot that aside from murdering the fuck out of those guards, Zoe unearthed what we know is the equivalent to a WMD and just sorta left it there. Ryze's lore paints a pretty picture about what happens when people get their hands on world runes. It's a lot of screaming, dying, and attempted genocide with a dash of possible apocalypse. So forgive me if I don't think a character who thinks one being unearthed is "Funny" is chaotic good.

Warlord Dienekes11/30/2017, 8:39:03 PM2 votes

I’m curious. Where did the space parasites claim to be for anything other than their own aggrandizement?

Moon is trying to get worshipers for... no reason. Something about the space parasites civil war. As though humans could ever possibly effect that.

Sun is pushing Leona to burn people.

Twilight just let’s Zoe do whatever, and doesn’t even attempt to stop pointless destruction.

War is a dick by which all other dicks are measured.

Protection is... ok you have me here. Protection seems chill.

But I don’t think any have said that what they’re doing is for the benefit of anyone except Protection.

Instead, it is Rioters who attempt to make that claim for them. With, usually, very little success.

AbiwonKenabi11/30/2017, 8:56:55 PM2 votes

The alignments have problems to begin with. Like I think of characters like Stain from My Hero Academia and...what would he be? He kills heroes so he's "Evil" right? But he does it in order to follow his ideal of creating a more just society full of true heroes, so he's "Good", maybe Chaotic Good? But he still kills people so "Neutral". The Punisher is a similar character, he only kills bad guys, but he butts heads with most heroes, so Neutral?

And that's the point. I don't think you define every character in existence as strictly "Neutral" or strictly "Chaotic". It's too restrictive, and should only really serve as a guideline.

Also, I would argue a TON of famous trickster characters were "Chaotic Good". Generally people root for the trickster characters. Maui of Polynesian myth did a lot of good for humanity. Son Wukong (from Journey to the West, not the Champion) also did a lot of good once he was travelling in service of Xuanzang, and he's one of the biggest tricksters ever. So it's really hard to generalize "most Tricksters were Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral" because they really weren't. Arguably, the characters I mentioned are more "Good" than Zoe, who is supposed to be designed to be "Chaotic Good".

The only thing a trickster has to be is "a character in a story which exhibits a great degree of intellect or secret knowledge, and uses it to play tricks or otherwise disobey normal rules and conventional behavior." The emphasis is more on the "defying conventional behavior" than anything else.

Solidair311/30/2017, 10:58:38 PM2 votes

I don't think Riot is looking at it from that angle.

I think Zoe serves the greater Good, a la Bard.

People may die, but she is openly and actively performing her duties to cause the change that needs to happen.

Sexy Jack Rabbit12/1/2017, 12:02:30 AM1 votes

The D&D Alignment system is a shit system.