I think we can now all agree that Kindred is the most powerful being in Runeterra

Macilento·Oct 1, 2015·2 votes·2,012 views

After reading the Kindred Q&A they clarified on just HOW POWERFUL the kindred are. (if you didn't read it go read it now)

So after all of that, it seems that the Kindred are and WILL BE the number 1 in terms of pure power lore-wise. They basìsically are Death, they are probably omniscent and omnipresent, exist since the creation of the world, and they cannot "die" in any common way.

Nice stuff.

Kindred vs. Thanos next

14 Comments

A Superb VillainOct 1, 20153 votes

Except it was clarified in the Q&A Kindred is limited to their function as an aspect of death; they sound more like psychpomps rather than death itself. This is exemplified by the Shadow Isles, whose many champions disrupt the natural order of life and death, but since many have already died once and are now neither living nor dead, Kindred has no jurisdiction over their ends.

FasmodeyOct 1, 20152 votes

They're not the only omnipresent characters in LoL. Bard and Tahm Kench are too. So it's not a big deal and reason to say they're the most powerful. Also, they can't kill everything as they want. Nearly half of LoL champions escaped from Kindred lol, big power. Yeah I know, they can't be killed in way as we know but confirmed, they have an end too. Like any champion. If can't be killed makes you the most powerful, Zilean is the most powerful. I think he will be contiune to be there after time itself. He is cursed.

It's not like there is so much champion who escaped from their grip, also some champions get resurrected. Azir is one of them. Really, are they that powerful? They're absolutely not omnipotent and I doubt they're the most powerful, they're Tier 1 but they're not a barrier for making argument about the most powerful champion.

supaguyboyApr 3, 20161 votes

Well, Bard and Tahm Kench are technically not omnipresent. They still exist in only one place at a time, unlike Kindred, who is everywhere at the same time (because they're death). Bard and Tahm Kench can GO anywhere they want, but they are not everywhere at once. Tahm Kench can seduce one being in one place at a time. Bard can rescue the universe in one place at a time, not at the same time.

As for your argument about people being revived, from what I see in the lore and in game, Kindred's job is to make sure a person dies, not that they stay dead. Because if they do come back, they will die again, guaranteed. Even immortals like the Ascended will die eventually. When Kindred says everyone dies eventually, they mean it.

GreenLoreOct 1, 20151 votes

It was pretty much clarified that they are limited in power. Kindred might be kinda omnipresent(they are always there if someone dies),but you can escape from them and they merely take your life,but its not like they actively chose you.

They can physically manifest and I doubt that they are so powerful when they do.

Star GuardíanOct 1, 20151 votes

The way I see it is that Kindred are collectors of the dead. They come to collect your soul at the moment of your death when ever that is FATED to happen. They don't actively go searching for people to kill and I don't think they chose when you die. Rather, they're their to ensure you DO in fact die. I like to think of them as death incarnate or personified. Are they powerful in the sense that most mortals cant "defeat" or avoid them? Sure. But they don't actively use their "power" other than for they're intended purpose. For example, say if Ascended Azir defeated Xerath, Kindred would come to collect Xerath's soul, but it doesn't mean that Kindred defeated (or even could defeat) Xerath.

For a few reasons, I'd say Kindred aren't the strongest beings in Runterra. For one, death has been defeated, even if only temporarily, by a few champions (Karthus, Azir etc.), so they're not invincible. FauxSchizle also stated that they themselves also have an "end". I'd personally say they're are quit a few champs more "powerful" than Kindred.

I would say as of now, Bard is without a doubt the most powerful being we know of in Runeterra.

Blade of JusticOct 1, 20151 votes

And if Jax's lore is to be believed, he was so OP that the IoW put restrictions on him. Then he put restrictions on himself.

After the IoW found that the restrictions didn't do anything, they removed their restrictions.

Jax kept his in the form of his lamp post.

Pretty sure Jax is still "The Champ".

supaguyboyApr 3, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure that isn't canon anymore And besides, Jax is strong, but in the same way as people like Lee Sin and Udyr. They are way stronger than the average man, but they are still mere mortals.

Asayake 5150glowOct 3, 20151 votes

Ok, Kindred's not the most powerful for one reason - He is death. That means, he cannot kill people (hopefully, from a lore-wise standpoint). He can only wait for them to die. He goes around and claims people's dying souls, y'know? He doesn't actually kill them himself. On the other hand, say, Lee SIn (probably one of the weakest, lore-wise) can kill people by kicking them to death or something.

FasmodeyOct 3, 20151 votes

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Ok, Kindred's not the most powerful for one reason - He is death. That means, he cannot kill people (hopefully, from a lore-wise standpoint). He can only wait for them to die. He goes around and claims people's dying souls, y'know? He doesn't actually kill them himself. On the other hand, say, Lee SIn (probably one of the weakest, lore-wise) can kill people by kicking them to death or something.

Actually, they can kill, but not everyone they want. Examples: Karthus, Xerath, Azir, Lissandra, Zilean etc. They are still going to reap every soul though. Every soul's end is Kindred.

PistrikOct 5, 20151 votes

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Actually, they can kill, but not everyone they want. Examples: Karthus, Xerath, Azir, Lissandra, Zilean etc. They are still going to reap every soul though. Every soul's end is Kindred.

This pretty much. Kindred is the most powerful in regards that they are an actual "god. They are Runeterra's version of Death. The whole legend of Lamb and Wolf was actually started long after they came about (stated in the Q&A by Riot). Lamb and Wolf are basically what the people of Runeterra SEE death as, so that's how they show up.

However, they are not the most powerful in regards to action. They can't just go around and smite someone. They can't kill who they want with no consequences beyond their fated time. They are really an Aspect, in the fact they have one job to do and they do it... they don;t go outside that job's parameters. They are there to collect the souls of the dead when they are fated to pass. And it's stated in lore that they DO cause the death:

"Let us ask her," said Lamb. "Magga! Do you prefer Wolf's chase, or my arrow?"

When it is your time to die, they DO kill you. Lamb embodies the aspect of the swift release of death by those who embrace it or don't fight it. It's a quick and relatively painless end. Wolf embodies the aspect of the chase, when someone runs from death or refuses to go at their allotted time.

Do NOT be mistaken though! EVERYTHING meets Kindred in the end. Karthus, Xerath, Azir.... just being "Ascended" (immortality) or using a spell or other means to "cheat death" does not mean you can't be killed. They WILL have an end, and Kindred will be there to collect.

Death is and always will be the last to leave. When the universe ends Death will be the one to put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the door behind him.... for it's only then that it's job is done and it itself ends. THAT is what they mean by Kindred having an end. When there is nothing left to meet, nothing left to take..... when it's JOB is done.... then Kindred itself will meet it's end.

FasmodeyOct 5, 20151 votes

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This pretty much. Kindred is the most powerful in regards that they are an actual "god. They are Runeterra's version of Death. The whole legend of Lamb and Wolf was actually started long after they came about (stated in the Q&A by Riot). Lamb and Wolf are basically what the people of Runeterra SEE death as, so that's how they show up.

However, they are not the most powerful in regards to action. They can't just go around and smite someone. They can't kill who they want with no consequences beyond their fated time. They are really an Aspect, in the fact they have one job to do and they do it... they don;t go outside that job's parameters. They are there to collect the souls of the dead when they are fated to pass. And it's stated in lore that they DO cause the death:

"Let us ask her," said Lamb. "Magga! Do you prefer Wolf's chase, or my arrow?"

When it is your time to die, they DO kill you. Lamb embodies the aspect of the swift release of death by those who embrace it or don't fight it. It's a quick and relatively painless end. Wolf embodies the aspect of the chase, when someone runs from death or refuses to go at their allotted time.

Do NOT be mistaken though! EVERYTHING meets Kindred in the end. Karthus, Xerath, Azir.... just being "Ascended" (immortality) or using a spell or other means to "cheat death" does not mean you can't be killed. They WILL have an end, and Kindred will be there to collect.

Death is and always will be the last to leave. When the universe ends Death will be the one to put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the door behind him.... for it's only then that it's job is done and it itself ends. THAT is what they mean by Kindred having an end. When there is nothing left to meet, nothing left to take..... when it's JOB is done.... then Kindred itself will meet it's end.

They're going to reap themself. Like Angel of Death in Islam, when there are no any living, he is going to reap himself. It means end is pure void, there will be nothing to there, universe will die as well as with every thing carried by itself. You have to be a real god like Eru in LoTR, other than every thing's end is pure void. No one can survive than this doomsday.

Note: Not a muslim, just know it.

DigielfOct 4, 20151 votes

Ao Shin

insaiyanbaccaOct 5, 20151 votes

thats a really weird way to spell Bard

PistrikOct 5, 20151 votes

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thats a really weird way to spell Bard

It's my belief that Bard and Kindred are two sides of the same coin.

Think about it:

Bard is said to be guardian of the universe, a protector of life.... he exists outside the realm and imagination of man.

Kindred is Death, the end of all things and the last step that everything must take. EVERYTHING meets Kindred at the end.

Honestly I think Bard and Kindred are in a class of their own, outside everyone else. They are Aspects, one of Life and the other of Death. Power is irrelevant to them, because they just ARE. They have a job to do, and anything outside the job has no basis or meaning to them. They are omniscient and omnipresent, but they are not omnipotent. They don't have supreme power, but nothing can overcome them either (at least in Kindred's case it's confirmed, as Bard's lore is basically a blurb).

You can't kill Death and you can't kill Life. They merely exist outside the realm of everything else.