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Please! Is Demonblade Tryndamere 'canon' or not?

KING ATTILA··2 votes·2,809 views

I like to think that he is, because all the champions in all the cinematics (Original, A Twist of Fate, A New Dawn) are presented in their classic 'skin' while Tryndamere was 'Demonblade Tryndamere'. Is it just a silly coincidence that Tryndamere was the only champion not featured normally like the rest? How about using Pre Void Kassadin as an example:
It must be canon because obviously Kassadin existed in that form before the Void.

Clearly other skins like Brolaf or Arcade Hecarim would be impossible to be canon, so let's skip that argument of "all skins are just skins and none of them are canon to the champion's actual lore".

I believe that great lore makes a great game; A weak story makes bad game....So yes I think the retcon was a bad idea because it took away what made the game cool in the frist place.

I would like a Red response about this: Is Demonblade Tryndamere a 'real' thing or not? Are some skins tied to champion lore?

28 Comments

Dextix LT4 votes

Some skins are tied to champs and their lore, that doesnt mean they are canon.

Again, if cinematics are canon, then 7 before mentioned of my characters should be dead already. THey are not.

Also, why cannot brolaf be canon but Demonblade trynda can? Double standarts fallacy.

And as the last thing. Neamean already said. There are skins that use "what if" scenarios.

KING ATTILA2 votes

Because Brolaf has zero possibility of logically happening in his timeline, fool. Pre Void Kassadin? Happened. Demonblade and King Tryndamere? Happened. You can leave now.

KING ATTILA1 votes

And once again, the cinematics themselves I mever said were canon!!

Dextix LT2 votes

The how can something from cinematics that are not canon, be canon? Where is the logic?

Gunpoint2 votes

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Because Brolaf has zero possibility of logically happening in his timeline, fool. Pre Void Kassadin? Happened. Demonblade and King Tryndamere? Happened. You can leave now.

You answered you're own question. Demonblade and King Tryndamere are canon, they happened. If you think it happened what does it matter? If it's real to you then it's canon. Also, Aatrox and Tryndamere's interactions suggest that Tryndamere is a "creation" of Aatrox, a demon. Meaning Tryndamere is also a demon, or at least demon born, hence "demonblade tryndamere."

KING ATTILA1 votes

See, that's what I think. Don't know why some insist it's not possible or makes sense.

Laughing Fish3 votes

Aatrox, while demonic looking, is not actually a Demon. He is an ancient species known as Darkin. And the reason why he claims Tryndamere as a his creation is because Aatrox brought Tryndamere to the very edge of death, and then made him watch as his tribe was decimated. This combination allowed Tryndamere to reach a level of anger not naturally possible, to the point that his anger defied death itself. Aatrox then disappeared, and left Tryndamere to take that rage out on the world. Tryndamere had a life before Aatrox, but Aatrox turned him into something no longer natural.

KING ATTILA2 votes

And therefore it is possible for Demonblade Tryndamere to exist within Tryndamere's timeline. Not Highland, not Viking, not Nightmare, not Sultan, and not Warring Kingdoms Tryndamere. Just King and Demonblade Tryndamere tie into his lore appropriately.

Laughing Fish2 votes

That is my thought as well. I imagine King is when he is not in battle, and is on diplomatic missions. And Demonblade is a possible future if he doesn't ever learn to control his rage.

KING ATTILA2 votes

Exactly! I think it's really cool that we can consider these things possible. I would love it Riot would strengthen their lore. It would enhance their game

Laughing Fish2 votes

I want Riot to expand upon The Resistance (the survivors of Viktor's Evoluton in the Battlecast universe). A Legendary skin for Jayce where he is battlescarred and bitter after years of fighting the machines would be glorious.

KING ATTILA1 votes

Ohhhh, so that's where the Resistance skin line comes into play...sweet!

Dextix LT2 votes

Happened? Last time i checked i did not see somewhere in lore written anything about any of those skins. Why Brolaf cannot happen but King tryndamere can? They both have the same possibility of being canon. Zero.

You reeally love applying double standarts to skins dont you?

KING ATTILA1 votes

There is no double standard!!!! King Tryndamere comes from being king of the Freljord....DUH! Brolaf has no evidence of even remotely being possible and does not tie into his lore in ANY WAY!

You love typing nonsense just to hear your fingers tap. Think outside your carboard box please.

Dextix LT1 votes

And how does a western style outfit of a king for a BARBARIAN KING, more possible than a casual new times attire of Brolaf? Might i remind you that valoran isnt only fantasy it has a lot of modern elements in it too?

Such skins like arcade styled ones also could be possible in Valoran, anything can be possible there because of the world that was created. Yet you say that some skins are related to story and are canon, yet others are not.

You overlook the function of skins. They are not there to tell a story, they are not there to give lore. THey are there to look pretty, that is all.

If any of those outfits would have lore and stories incorporated into their usage, they would become canon, but newsflash, they do not have any of those things, and as such, are not, canon.

You judge two skins on different standarts. Yes, it is double standart.

KING ATTILA1 votes

You must be fun at parties.

If you can't piece together how some skins can be tied into a champions story at some point, then there is nothing I can say other than I believe it's possible and the reasons why it's possible makes infintely more sense to me than your bs logic.

Dextix LT1 votes

You can piece THEORIES. Theories are not canon. This is the point. If you yourself as a fan piece or tie in skins into some kind of lore, it is just a theory, not canon! If it was included in the lore in the first place, then it would be canon, skins are not tied into lore!

You want to see how real skins (items) are tied into lore? Look at Dota 2. Every piece of eqipment you get there, has some sort of a sentence included into it, which directly ties into the lore, once the full item set is seen, it opens up a story, which is included in the lore.

LOL doesnt have that. Skins are just cosmetic and give nothing to the overall story or canon. And if a single person tries to make the ties, then it is just a theory.

Also, you downvoting is just simply pathetic.

KING ATTILA1 votes

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Dextix LT1 votes

Im not answering to the first sentence, just saying im contacting riot support because you managed to include 2 things that Riot hates in 1 sentence.

Yes, the new lore is like that. I would be the first person to rip narrative a new one for that.

There is no canon for you, or for me, or for anyone else. Canon is an established story for EVERYONE. There is no different canon for different people, canon is the same for everyone. That is storycrafting 101. YOu do not choose canon, it is chosen, and made by the creators of it. And you are not the creator of LOL lore.

Also, yes, they did it just because it looked cool. They said so themselves. Videos are not canon, so why should riot think about what they put into their cinematics?

Also i will repeat this.

Deduction = Theorycrafting = Theory = Not canon

Fact = Confirmed = In the lore = Canon

KING ATTILA1 votes

Fine. You're right.

GreenLore3 votes

Some skins are indeed canon,but it is sometimes hard to judge which ones are still canon and which ones aren't. The skins that I can think of,that are canon: Freljord ashe,Prevoid kassadin,prototype viktor and Tyrant swain. There are probably some more though.

However there is currently no indication that Demonblade tryndamere is canon. Yes he was in the twist of fate trailer,but they probably just thought Demonblade trynda would be cooler than the regular one and its a neat way to represent the skins within the trailer.

There are some theories that tryndamere is slowly turning into a darkin and that the demonblade skin shows how he'd look if the transformation went a bit further,but in the end,thats just a theory.

KING ATTILA1 votes

I love that theory so much though! Riot REALLY needs to make the lore stronger with this game instead of making it a sport. I like LCS but we all know they purposely weakened their lore...which is still a bad idea.

Neamean3 votes

I don't think it necessarily canon but it possible is. I say it s possible is canon in the sense of multi-timeline or multiverse type or deal. Demon blade is a possible future for trydemere if he let his anger consume him and change him. This is similar to Spirit Guard Udyr, if he master controlling his spirit he can become spirit guard Udyr. Both of these are "IF" this than that if so they are canon.

Laughing Fish3 votes

Similar to the Battlecast. It is a possibility if Viktor's evolution is not stopped.

DrCyanide1 votes

I'd take all of the cinematic with a grain of salt as far as "canon or not" goes. Remember how Ryze's scroll got cut up? From his lore:

His travels also led him to uncover the giant indestructible scroll he now carries on his back

People throw around theories that could explain it still being indestructible, but none of them are backed by what we see in the clip. As far as I'm concerned, the cinematics themselves aren't lore canon, merely fun distractions.

KING ATTILA1 votes

I think Ryze's scroll getting cut was just a minor writer flop

DrCyanide1 votes

I could see that if it contradicted something that was in the Journal of Justice, but in his main lore article? That's pushing it a bit.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

He is the official lore of "Demonblade Tryndamere" (The "Movie")

This week, three champions of the League disappeared in the woods near Summoners Rift amid whispers of a powerful artifact had been spotted. These intrepid treasure hunters struck off into the jungle, disregarding rumors of strange happenings, abnormal behavior among the wildlife, and a mysterious presence so terrifying that even the most courageous dare not speak its name.

Today, after a search party was dispatched, their remains were found! This is their story!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iojE9bAdqPM

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110728071529/leagueoflegends/images/d/d5/Poster_Demonblade-Tryndamere(FINAL)-_EN_thumb.jpg

The story is that Tryndamere got possessed by a Demon (Aatrox is not a Demon) and killed champions in Summoners Rift (for real, aka no respawn)... then again, this story happens in a movie, just like Gentleman Chogath.

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