Is the "Sun God" who grants ascention to the Shurimans somehow related to the "Celestials" who turn Targonians into Aspects?
While the ascended and aspects have differences, they are similar enough that they could be connected.
Virgin Ray1 votesOk, this is how it goes.
Aspects People who climb Mt Targon turn into the avatar of an aspect They stay the same and do not alter their bodies All they get is the power the aspect brings them.
Ascendants People who complete the sun ritual are turned into an ascendant They turn into anything depending on their human life, like personality or job. They are immortal and get the powers of their ascendant form.
Pretty much, they aren't the same when it comes to connecting the two together. I guess being an ascendant is better because you can bash out more power and you have a more powerful body to contain and release a much larger magnitude.
GreenLore1 votesI think what the opener is questioning if there is a connection between the ascension and the aspect of the sun.
It kinda looks like the aspects live inside celestial bodies when they don't have a host(pantheon for example has a star constellation),so the aspect of the sun might live inside the sun,which brings up the question: is the sun-aspect the one who grants ascension?If not who decides if someone is worhty or not?
Embertine1 votesNope not really. The ascension ritual merely uses the power the sundisk stored from the sun. The actual sun aspect has nothing to do with it. The aspect resides on Targon, (The world all aspects are from,) and has nothing really to do with Runeterra's sun besides using it's power, similar to the sundisk.
If anything the closest connection you can make is between the ascended and Aurelion Sol, simply because he's the one who made the sun in the first place.
GreenLore1 votesThe aspects don't reside in Targon. their empire spans across the universe on multiple planets. Targon might be their origin(we aren't sure about that),but it was never said that they live there.
As the Targon page itself says
The sky around Mount Targon shimmers with celestial bodies; the sun and moons, but also constellations, planets, fiery comets that streak the darkness, and auspicious arrangements of stars. The people living at the mountain’s base believe these to be aspects of long-vanished stellar beings, creatures powerful and ancient on a scale beyond human comprehension.
Implying that the aspects live within planets,suns,etc.
And how the aspect of the sun really works is unknown,so in the end we can't deny the possibility that he is involved with the ascension ritual(though I think it isn't that likely as well)
Warlord Dienekes1 votesPantheon is the name of a constellation. That's all we know for sure. Unless Jaredan mentioned it somewhere so far the only actual connection with the celestial bodies we have is 3 out of 4 are named the same by the poor dumb bastards the Aspects possess. We have no idea where the actual Pantheon or Protector lives. Or what they are other than being somehow tied to the Targonians that betrayed Sol. They might actually be the space assholes themselves or they may be as special to the Targs as an Ascended is to Shurima, or they could be an entirely separate race that the Targs conquered when expanding their space empire. No way to know for sure because the lore tells us next to nothing about them.
GreenLore1 votesThere is also this part from the Targon info-page.
The sky around Mount Targon shimmers with celestial bodies; the sun and moons, but also constellations, planets, fiery comets that streak the darkness, and auspicious arrangements of stars. The people living at the mountain’s base believe these to be aspects of long-vanished stellar beings, creatures powerful and ancient on a scale beyond human comprehension.
Its kinda unlikely for them to put that on an info-page if it didn't turn out to be true.
Anyway,we know from Aurelions lore that they inhabit space in some way and its also made clear that the aspects are the spiritual beings that grant 
and 
their powers,while 
completely took the body of his host.
And overall I am more trying to guess why the opener sees a possible connection in the first place,its just a theory.
Warlord Dienekes1 votesThe people believe is not a statement of proof it is simply what the people believe.
They also believe the Sun is a god, despite Sol stating directly "No it's just another one of my stars" and the moon is just a reflection of its light. People's beliefs are wrong.
And yeah we know the Aspects can take over hosts. What we know from Sol is that the Targs did inhabit space in some way thousands of years ago. They might still. Probably do but that would mean the Aspects aren't your basic Targ. So what are they? How are they related to the Targs? Are the Aspects somewhat tangible.
And most interesting to me: how do we wipe out their entire empire and ground them to dust?
GreenLore1 votesSure it says that this is only what the people believe. But keep in mind that,this is an info page. Why would they write information in it if said information turns out to be simply wrong?That doesn't make any sense from a writers standpoint;)
Anyway I'd call the aspects as the targonians,since Aurelion is referring to their empire as Targon.
The regular humans living on Mt.Targon are the Rakkor,Solari and the guys from other places that decide to wander to targon.
I think it was even said that they are a spiritual race,which would make sense if you ask me since we also have other spirits who posess some physical lifeform with 
and 
(it was even hinted by a rioter that 
does it as well)
Sadly I can't find the post anymore,its really difficult to find old threads here on the boards >.>
Warlord Dienekes1 votesSure it says that this is only what the people believe. But keep in mind that,this is an info page. Why would they write information in it if said information turns out to be simply wrong?That doesn't make any sense from a writers standpoint;)
Anyway I'd call the aspects as the targonians,since Aurelion is referring to their empire as Targon. The regular humans living on Mt.Targon are the Rakkor,Solari and the guys from other places that decide to wander to targon. I think it was even said that they are a spiritual race,which would make sense if you ask me since we also have other spirits who posess some physical lifeform with
Sadly I can't find the post anymore,its really difficult to find old threads here on the boards >.>
Well, Riot isn't exactly batting 100 when it comes to what they write as information and what is actually the truth. Hell, just continuing with the Targon discussion here we have from Pantheon's lore. Not the color text, but the long lore that is supposed to provide true information to the reader:
The Pantheon Aspect had obliterated his personality, memories and emotions. Atreus’s flesh was nothing but a shell inhabited by the supernatural Aspect of War
Alright, so Atreus is dead. His personality, memories, and emotions were literally "obliterated." So Atreus is done, right?
Well, no. Going by Jaredan's Ask we have these comments:
Pantheon has changed quite a bit from a character and motivation standpoint. At the moment (Atreus wasn't just brought in as a bait-and-switch).
All I'll say is that Atreus's story is not over.
Which is directly contradictory to what was written previously. And the thing is, that passage wasn't even written with any form of ambiguity that terms like "the people believed" have to them.
But, let's ignore that and just continue with the Targon information lore. It also says that the Solari worship the Sun. Alright so the sun's a god to be worshiped then right? Well, no. Of course it isn't as once we have an authority on the matter talk about it, all Sol says is it's just a star like any other. Even comments about it needing a new core and is off its axis. It's no god. It's just another creation of Sol's.
Riot's information page can be wrong or give inaccurate information. They've done it before, and actually, having the basic beliefs of a group of people be wrong or warped over thousands of years is fine. Honestly, that's one of the more realistic signs of age, legends, and progress that Riot has done. It's very rare that I say something good about the Targon lore, so, here it is. Showing how these old legends are warped and not to be taken at face value is great. Hope they do it in a decent way.
I know the difference between the humans and the Targonians. The Targs are the space assholes that enslaved Sol. The humans are the people being manipulated and possessed to various degrees by the space assholes. What we don't know is what the space assholes actually are, how they work, where they live, if they're tangible, if they can be destroyed, all that good stuff that I want to have known so theoretically someone in the lore can wipe them all out. Except maybe The Protector, he seems cool so far.
Of course, I know that won't happen. They'll end up with some kumbaya ending probably with Leona and Diana making amends and freeing Sol or something. I still want to see their empire burn though.
Cabskee1 votesOk, this is how it goes.
Aspects People who climb Mt Targon turn into the avatar of an aspect They stay the same and do not alter their bodies All they get is the power the aspect brings them.
Ascendants People who complete the sun ritual are turned into an ascendant They turn into anything depending on their human life, like personality or job. They are immortal and get the powers of their ascendant form.
Pretty much, they aren't the same when it comes to connecting the two together. I guess being an ascendant is better because you can bash out more power and you have a more powerful body to contain and release a much larger magnitude.
They are not technically immortal. It says in both Renekton and Nasus' new lore (I believe one of them even mentions it themselves) that they are not technically immortal, just given a lengthened life.
Virgin Ray1 votesThey are immortal and the only way to kill them is by..... well killing them.
Eclipse Leona1 votesan Ascended is like a Demi-God while being Aspects is a mortal wil immense power.
GreenLore3 votesNot really. the aspects are a race of spiritual beings(aurelion sol himself even calls them demigods),who can take over the body of someone else or at least merge with someone. If said host dies,then they can simply take a new one.
Pantheon is pretty much the only aspect that fully took over his host and he was already around during the time when the sun disc was built(though he used a different body back then)
Fasmodey1 votesNot really. the aspects are a race of spiritual beings(aurelion sol himself even calls them demigods),who can take over the body of someone else or at least merge with someone. If said host dies,then they can simply take a new one.
Pantheon is pretty much the only aspect that fully took over his host and he was already around during the time when the sun disc was built(though he used a different body back then)
Aurelion Sol also calls Ascended as demigod tho.
Stars Shaper1 votesAscendants have to undergo the ritual and being deemed "worthy" not by an entity but by the energies flowing into them catalyzed by the Sun Disc. Their "worthiness" is connected to their mental status, purpose and how the ritual was set with some unknown specifics (we read in Azir and Xerath lore that the ritual was "crafted" in a way that suited Azir).
Aspects are chosen by an "alien" entity which puts them under trials to test the subject, if surpassed they are granted a "fixed set" of powers that usually don't mean a change in their form and physiology (we don't even know if their lifespan gets increased).
They are both beings able to meddle with Cosmic powers but in different ways/forms.
Oleandervine1 votesWhat we know about the Ascended is that the Sun-Disc is not powered by gods, but instead powered by the will of the Emperor of Shurima, as it stated that after Xerath destroyed Azir and the capital, that the Sun-Disc collapsed without the power of the Emperor to upkeep it. What this tells us is that the Sun-Disc most likely draws energy from the sun, but the actual mystical nature of it is connected to the royal family of Shurima or to the will of the people as a whole; Maybe a sort of magical manifestation of the ideas, dreams, hopes, beliefs, and whatnot of the people. This would explain why there is a need for the Ascended to be proven worthy, as only a society would be able to judge who is exalted above others. Either way, Aurelion Sol stated that both Targon and Shurima were crawling with demigods, meaning that the Ascended and Aspects are on par with one another, though if my theory proves correct, one is powered by extraterrestrial beings and one by the collective wills of the people.
TBakes1 votesI posted questions about this is the new Shurima Q&A but didn't get an answer. There are also sun priests in both regions, and a certain focus on gems/crystals that I think has to overlap somewhere. I wonder where the connections lie.
