Male characters have cool features and reasonable, fitting stories

Ahelless··9 votes·2,854 views

Female characters lately all rely on relationships, like Miss Fortune and the hundreds of her sex partners, Fiora and the wedding, Illaoi and Gangplank

When will this meme end and when will there be an asexual female champion with a strong appearence like Illaoi?

And the most satisfying post of this discussion by Raoul :

{quoted} Hey, you have to understand: Writing female characters like male characters is very hard. That would force the lore team to actually look at women as people who can live without men.

He is right, Riot. I really hope that you notice this. And my response:

{quoted}

Get all my upvotes man (sadly I have only 1). I just don't get it, why is it so hard though? I'm not a writer, but even I could do it. The only purpose of these threads that I'm creating now is that Riot would actually notice this idea and put it into consideration, like they did with the other ones. I know it sucks to be me and to be disappointed, but guys, if you are glad with what came about all of this, be happy and just support those people who want to see something interesting for them. No one will complain then if everyone gets what he wants.

I'm surely ready for the next 100 downvotes, but still, this is a thing. If it bothers somebody like me, I'm sure it bothers someone else as well. They just don't write it here.

My main concern is that such rare thing as Illaoi (and I mean her appearence) wasn't meant to have relationships from the start. The thing is, Riot went by the safe routine so people wouldn't call Illaoi "a man", because the fact that she has relationships with a man automatically makes her look more feminine, despite having such appearance. SO they tried to satisfy both people who wanted strong female character AND people who wanted "women in need". But I didn't like it and it wasn't necessary. This is my point.

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Variks the Loyal14 votes

Graves and TwistedFate stories are revolved entirely around one another.

Jayce is almost revolved entirely around Viktor.

Nasus and Renekton revolve around each other.

It's not just females, but it's not a bad thing. Relationships add depth when done right, and so far, they've all been done right.

SexySoapTurtle9 votes

Great were back to this shit again.. I really miss the 90's where the word OBJECTIFICATION did not exist.

Raoul1 votes

Yeah, the good old times, where women were not allowed to vote and had to stay in the kitchen... sigh, good old times...

MohawkBird2 votes

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Jeddy0172 votes

Well,the 1890s.

GenoXx9 votes

What are you talking about? Riven's lore mentions nothing about relationships......Neither does sorakas, Kayles, Lux....

Seriously where do u get off even thinking that? Miss Fortune's character is that of a woman from a port city. It was never stated that all of Miss fortune's crew were her sex partners. That's your assumption. It was stated that that was a crew she gathered using her charms and wit. Completely different thing right now.

You just sound like a lesbian extremist to me. Because you aren't even listing reasonable champions like I did above. For characers to have relationships in a game like this adds more life to it. There was nothing sexual about Fiora's lore either.......that was about a political wedding. Illaoi and Gangplank is implied to let you know how strong there relationship( or past Relationship) is......

Seriously, you are telling me LeBlanc doesn't have a reasonable lore? Are you going to think "LeBlanc started the Black Rose by selling her body?" Get real. Nothing in League of Legend's lore is overly sexual and you can argue that down all day. If there are suggestive themes like Evelynn's personality it's because this isn't a pg-13 game. Suggestive elements are allowed.

When will this meme end and when will there be an asexual female champion with a strong appearence like Illaoi?

Where does it says Illaoi is asexual? Further more why would you be looking for a strong asexual female anyways? Is this another Feminist thread? Rek'sai is a asexual female champion. Why don't you go and set your sights on her? Because it sounds to me like you are just making another irrelevant argument about how males dominate blah blah blah etc.

It's really no reason for this rant because you aren't even making sense...

Ahelless1 votes

Where does it says Illaoi is asexual?

I've said about her appearence, that I want a character who looks strong like her. Just let me be clear, will this game have Darius-tier woman? Who doesnt give two cents about relationships, yet fights like a beast (in a figurative sense) and looks like one (while being HUMAN)? No? Okay. Just as I thought.

GenoXx3 votes

Just let me be clear, will this game have Darius-tier woman?

....Did I not mention Riven.......And again as well as others have said...not every female here in league gives a a 2 cents about relationships....... Like really, were itting here telling you but i guess u have selective reading and will refuse to acknowledge what u are looking for is there...

Ahelless1 votes

Riven is skinny and all she does is whinning (not even Teemo-tier). Next?

GenoXx4 votes

Next? As in am I going to continue this pointless debate to an unreasonable person? No thanks. there is a big list of females who's lore doesn't revolve around relationships. You go and find the your self i'm done talking to you.

Ahelless1 votes

Why did you bother writing all of that if you didn't even get the subject (big strong woman) then.

GenoXx2 votes

Why did you even bother making this thread if you weren't gonna get anywhere? I wrote to smack some sense into you...but after you first replied I figured what the problem is: You are literally being unreasonable and unrealistic. You want to see a female who doesn't imply relationship in lore. But then you want a muscular one too... This isn't a discussion here, this is a "I want this in the game because: reasons" thread. And quite frankly it's really pointless.

Ahelless1 votes

The problem is that you sounded pretty agressive from the beginning and that's why my responses were so dry. My main concern is that such rare thing as Illaoi (and I mean her appearence) wasn't meant to have relationships from the start. The thing is, Riot went by the safe routine so people wouldn't call Illaoi "a man", because the fact that she has relationships with a man automatically makes her look more feminine, despite having such appearance. SO they tried to satisfy both people who wanted strong female character AND people who wanted "women in need". But I didn't like it and it wasn't necessary. This is my point.

GenoXx6 votes

So you are telling me a woman can be muscular but not have human feelings like love....And oyu are saying Riot did this on purpose because you think they are sexist....

Laugh Riot

Again this is a desire thread and you are making unreasonable accusations. You sound like someone else I argued with here about Riot not being sexist....At this point No im done talking to you. You are pretty Biased to your own opinion and beliefs to the point where you don't even try to consider what people are telling you and what is actually there.

Ahelless1 votes

Its actually Vice versa. People are satisfied by what they have and they don't want the others to have something what they want, so they kill their semi-requests-discussions-attempts to make Riot to listen to them. Just like you do. Nobody takes away Illaoi from you, just give us a character without relationships-crap in the future.

GenoXx4 votes

I am not saying" I don't want a strong woman in league" I just don't like when people make accusations that aren't even true. You think Riot is sexist which isn't true. You think Riot created Illaoi and gave her a relationship just to cope with the idea she is a female...which also isn't true.

To be fair, Illaoi's relationship was mentioned in Shadow and Fortune....why did you not say anything in there? And I'm not saying this to make Riot not look at you because I'm sure Bioluminescence is lurking.

This discussion you brought up is completely unreasonable and my first approach to this was to counter your thought that there isn't any females in league who doesn't think about relationships when there is plenty... And you refuse to consider that, so your problem isnt me, it's you self here...

warpenguin5553 votes

{quoted}

I am not saying" I don't want a strong woman in league" I just don't like when people make accusations that aren't even true. You think Riot is sexist which isn't true. You think Riot created Illaoi and gave her a relationship just to cope with the idea she is a female...which also isn't true.

To be fair, Illaoi's relationship was mentioned in Shadow and Fortune....why did you not say anything in there? And I'm not saying this to make Riot not look at you because I'm sure Bioluminescence is lurking.

This discussion you brought up is completely unreasonable and my first approach to this was to counter your thought that there isn't any females in league who doesn't think about relationships when there is plenty... And you refuse to consider that, so your problem isnt me, it's you self here...

because the OP doesn't read the lore.

Stars Shaper1 votes

RekSai

Ahelless1 votes

Human

frigginmurlocs1 votes

Not on the topic of the original post, which is about male and female characters, not male and female human characters, which is clear you recently thought up using the distinction as a dismissal because anivia isn't a human, kalista isn't a human anymore, Elise and nami aren't human, the yordles aren't human, see where i'm going? arguing why non human characters don't fit the arbitrary conditions you set out, and then saying you only meant human characters is both lazy and a sign of realizing how big a mistake you make with your uninformed post

frigginmurlocs3 votes

Not on the topic of the original post, which is about male and female characters, not male and female human characters, which is clear you recently thought up using the distinction as a dismissal because anivia isn't a human, kalista isn't a human anymore, Elise and nami aren't human, the yordles aren't human, see where i'm going? arguing why non human characters don't fit the arbitrary conditions you set out, and then saying you only meant human characters is both lazy and a sign of realizing how big a mistake you make with your uninformed post

Stars Shaper1 votes

Riven Is actally what you are looking for, she doesn't have a bulky body but she is strong, with strong values and fights like a boss.

Ahelless1 votes

I hate her whiny personality. She doesn't sound self-confident at all.

Twiggles4 votes

"What is broken, can be reforged!" "The time for talk is over." "They cannot go unpunished!" "For those who were lost." "My spirit is not lost." "I know my purpose." "Leave doubt behind." "No more hesitation." "No looking back." "A broken blade is more than enough for the likes of you!"

I dunno. That sounds like a fairly confident person. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Riven is strong, doesn't rely on relationships, and is not at all held back by her gender. Given this, it seems you only dislike Riven as a character because she doesn't look like the side of a house.

MohawkBird9 votes

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Ralanr4 votes

You're being overly harsh on feminists. There is a difference between feminism and female supremacy.

MohawkBird1 votes

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SexySoapTurtle1 votes

{quoted}

That is why I used the term most on here instead of saying all. I understand you have actual feminists who want equality, but this post here is a perfect example of why a lot of people are beginning to hate or just actually hate feminists. A lot of feminists that we see, especially in the media are just ignoramuses who think they deserve the world.

Because we need equality in a fantasy fucking game. Give me a break.

GenoXx1 votes

Tell that to Dreamspitter

Dreamspitter1 votes

{quoted}

Tell that to Dreamspitter

Ooooh. :^)

GenoXx1 votes

I only reference you so you could debate to that person about "equility in games etc." Seeing how u were so happy to present that star wars news...

SexySoapTurtle1 votes

{quoted}

Tell that to Dreamspitter

I don't know what that is

Dreamspitter1 votes

{quoted}

I don't know what that is

Hello SexySoapTurtle , thanks for reaching out to us!

Have you taken a look around Story, Art, & Sound lately? There are TONS of threads about this particular subject. As a courtesy to the rest of our community we try not to split conversations up into multiple threads, so I won't be able to give in-depth answers to these questions here.

Take a look in Story, Art, & Sound and contribute your voice to the existing threads!

GenoXx1 votes

That wasn't a positive reference btw....clearly take a look at this thread :^)

Ralanr3 votes

I agree with you on that. I think one popular term is, "feminazi" to describe those kind of feminists. Though after explaining this to a teacher and a fellow student, they explained the better term was "Misandrist"

I won't say this poster is a misandrist. But this poster is clearly looking down on both genders if they consider a past relationship to be destructive of the character. Yes romantic relationships can have negative impacts on characters (Mainly when it's just labeling the character as "X's partner" and expects us to care about them enough without any real development beyond their relation to X).

Illaoi is not defined by her relationship to Gangplank, it is a factor to her character, but only by her choice in the relationship rather than the relationship itself. She left Gangplank (romantically, I think they still bumped uglies from time to time, but it sounds like she was the one who decided when and where) to pursue her religion more and because Gangplank was no longer the man she had feelings for. He had become stagnant, and she regretted not testing him when she was younger.

Her long lore brings up a good point. She (on at least two occasions) recollects how her past self was different. One due to her size, and her past relationship with Gangplank (I'm a little fuzzy on all the details). She remembers that her large size used to embarrass her, but now she takes it in pride. That there showcases that she is human, she has changed from what she was before, but still remembers what it was like.

She's obviously not asexual, she looks to enjoy sex. She's a hedonist. But she's not defined by her past, she's defined by her actions and outlook. What does she do to Gangplank when he's begging for her help? Breaks his nose and administers the test.

Sharjo2 votes

The sad truth is that the loudest voices tend to also be the most unreasonable ones. That's why they tend to be loud in the first place; they wanna drown out what everyone else and not consider other points of view. It's difficult to get a proper discussion about such things as a result. Every kind of viewpoint has a spectrum of individual takes on said view, and at the far ends is where the decibel meter rises. It's not true all of the time, as history has proven, but on the internet it almost feels like a certainty.

I personally count myself as a feminist since such a concept as equality between sexes just seems natural to me, and I recon a large amount of people here would say they feel somewhat similar in that men and women should be viewed as equals in society, intellect and all that jazz, but I also personally feel weird about calling myself or others feminists because of the negative connotations that have popped up surrounding the word, all because the loud folks on both sides of the spectrum made it a word that just feels bad to have associated with you.

I dunno. It's one of those times where I feel out of place as a man in this discussion, because I feel like that fact alone makes my opinion somehow lesser in the grand scheme of things. Hell it feels weird even typing up this response talking about this.

Dreamspitter1 votes

{quoted}

You're being overly harsh on feminists. There is a difference between feminism and female supremacy.

Yes. One of them is kinky. :^)

Ralanr1 votes

Nothing wrong with that.

Dreamspitter2 votes

{quoted}

Nothing wrong with that.

http://i.imgur.com/d9CQX6w.jpg

Myles JT7 votes

You fail to realize there are actually a lot of females who don't have an intimate relationship with a male. Diana - She has no friends what so ever, male or female, and hates everyone who won't accept the power of the moon, so basically everyone. Elise - Just a lot of spiders. Jinx - Doesn't care about anything that doesn't explode. The only thing closest to a friendly relationship is the fact that she wants to hug Ziggs, and hes terrified of her. And then here's just a bunch more I don't feel like explaining: Akali Anivia Annie Caitlyn Evelynn Janna Irelia Kalista Karma Kayle Leblanc Leona Lissandra Lulu Morgana Nami Nidalee Orianna Poppy Quinn RekSai Sejuani Sona Soraka Syndra Vayne Vi Zyra Honestly, even more than I expected when I was putting this together.

Randomonium5 votes

Let's actually go through some female champions and put your accusations to the test.

Ahri A fox transformed human by a dying mage. The transformation is incomplete and she is forced to steal the life essence from others to survive (she finds men most easy to charm.) She realizes that its wrong and seeks help from the greatest wizards in Runeterra. Not at all defined by her "relationships" but rather her moral struggle to balance her need to steal life essence and her desire to live.

Akali One of the most badass martial artists in Valoran. Only mention of relationships in her lore is that she works with Shen and Kennen as one of the shadow warriors to enforce the balance of Valoran.

Anivia The eternal guardian of the Freljord. The only other person mentioned in her lore is Ashe, who Anivia allied with to protect the Freljord.

Annie Dark child born in a magical place to two very powerful wizards, making her ungoldy powerful. Only people mentioned in her lore are her parents, who are only there to explain why Anne has such profound magical gifts.

Ashe Became the leader of one of the many tribes of the Freljord at the age of 15. Her story parallels that of King Arthur with her discovering the legendary bow of Avarosa and uniting the tribes peacefully under her rule. No mention of any relationships though her old lore did say she married Tryndamere to help unite the tribes.

Caitlyn Single handedly cleaned up the streets of Piltover and made it one of the safest cities in Valoran. Only person mentioned in her lore is her unidentified arch-nemesis who leaves ornate cards with a 'C' on them at every crime scene.

Cassiopeia Short lore discussing how she became half woman, half snake. No mention of any relationships save that she's the youngest daughter of an influential family in Noxus.

Diana A free thinker and scholar who was branded a heretic by the Solari after she found ancient artifacts of the moon. She tried to reason with the elders but was condemned for death so in self defense she killed them. The whole experience kind of made her crazy and now she vows to kill anyone who opposes the moon. No mention of any relationships.

Elise Worshiper of a dark spider god who sacrifices innocents to maintain eternal youth. No mention of any relationships.

Evelynn One of the most deadly assassins in Runeterra. She might look like an escort but there's no mention of any relationships in her lore.

Fiora Rebelled against the status quo, trading dolls for sabers. When she was forced into an arranged marriage she rebelled against that as well. To restore her house's honor she killed her father and took over their house rather than her brothers, breaking tradition yet again. Her entire life she defied stereotypes of women and became one of the most feared duelists in the world. Not at all dependent on anyone, let alone a man.

Illaoi I don't even think I need to cover this one.

Irelia Inspired Ionia and came back from the brink of death to single handedly beat back a Noxian invasion. Only people mentioned in her lore are her father, her brother, and Soraka.

Janna Street child of Zaun who became a powerful sorceress and a voice against unjust magical experimentation. No mention of any relationships.

Jinx Crazy thief who desires only mayhem and destruction. Only people mentioned in her lore are Caitlyn and Vi.

Kalista General of the ruined kind who opposed his madness to her death. Now she is a spirit of vengeance, answering the calls of the betrayed. No relationships.

Karma An indomitable leader of Ionia bound to preserving life and peace whenever possible. No mention of any relationships.

Katarina Deadly assassin who cares only for the glory of her house. No mention of any relationships.

Kayle Immortal warrior who has fought a war against evil for over 10,000 years. No mention of any relationships.

This is starting to get really tedious but I think you see my point. Women in League are no more defined by their relationships than men. At best relationships are mentioned in passing. What is truly memorable about these characters is their strength and their struggles as well as what drives them to fight no matter what the odds.

I challenge you to show me any game or any other creative work with so many strong female characters.

Claviature1 votes

This person is an obvious troll.

{quoted}

Katarina Deadly assassin who cares only for the glory of her house. No mention of any relationships.

Katarina is implied to have interests towards Garen, but it's not mentioned directly in her lore.

RaptorKarr1 votes

How?

It's only hinted at never stated.

Flaherty1 votes

What about Lissandra

Ahelless1 votes

with a strong appearence like Illaoi

But Lissandra is cool.

Ralanr7 votes

...you're not looking for a serious discussion are you?

Ahelless1 votes

I can't get one if no one reads what I write and downvotes me. I'm also the OP of this thread http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/fHF66mZF-i-hope-that-the-next-champion-is-a-human-female Im very disappointed that Illaoi looks really good, but she is downgraded to what she is.

Sharjo6 votes

Well the thing is you personally see her as downgraded because of her relationship with Gangplank, and that's fine because that's how you interpret it, but others disagree, including myself. That's why the downvotes come in in the first place. It seemed like you're looking for people to reaffirm your own beliefs more than you want an actual discussion, but again that's potentially me screwing up in understanding your motivations.

Duke Anax4 votes

For me that's an Upgrade. She has an relationship, but she is not defined by it, quite the Opposite. She actually took her duty to Negakabouros over her relationship to Gankplank. Only when he proved himself Worthy, did she support him.

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