People seemed to be upset that Vayne flat out killed her mentor in cold blood. This confused me because it seemed like something Vayne would very much do. She occupies the trope of "He Who Fights Monsters" as in during her vengeful crusade she is to the monsters what the monsters were to her when she was young. Like, do you expect Vayne to show remorse for what she did?
LordHippoman17 votesI think it's because Vayne was a champ released in that weird Season 2/3 era where Lore was starting to get pretty rocky. She's one of the last champs, IIRC, to receive a Judgement, and unfortunately that Judgement doesn't tell us too much other than "wow Vayne's cool you guys" and she outsmarts summoners. Everything else about her backstory was "It's like Batman but with a witch."
That left Vayne in a place where, like a lot of champions of that era, fans were left to define her personality. So a lot of people got the impression, due to it being popular in fan works, that Vayne really was basically just Batman. She's serious, stoic, and wants to cleanse the world of dark magic. I remember a pretty good topic on the old boards regarding if Vayne would be hostile to Amumu, since while he is involved with some pretty dark magic, it's not his fault or something he's doing on purpose.
So, when the new lore filled in the gaps, and we learned that Vayne was less of a superhero and more of a zealot, a lot of people were upset over her character being retconned, although it really wasn't. That view of her was just so popular that it was basically canon in the eyes of the fans. Of course, that's not the only reason I think some people don't like it, and to each their own there.
Personally, I find her a lot more interesting now than I did when she was released, because she throws an interesting cog into the Demacian machine, and it also makes her a bit of a foil to Lucian, someone who has similar motives/goals, but seems to be much more careful about not being overcome with revenge, according to his actions in Shadow and Fortune.
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votesThis actually makes a lot of sense. Due to the quality of old lore people would fill in the character and get angry if what they perceived to be true changed.
Thanks for the post it actually clarified a lot for me. It makes you wonder how many other champions people religiously ascribe their own canon to (probably every one)
Lord Jericho3 votesGalio comes to mind instantly. The reaction to his new personality was received quite negatively. But there wasn't really much to old Galio aside from his in game VO. The fans made a personality for him that was canon in their eyes. And when that personality was retconned.... Yeah it didn't go over well. It took qite some time for people to understand his new personality. And for them to understand that the somber side of him is still there, just not when he's alive and can move.
LordHippoman3 votesWhile she did receive more actual retcons than Vayne did, I think Leona is the absolute poster child for this.
Her new Lore took the popular fanon traits (Kind, all-loving, noble protector) and said "actually, not really, she's part of a religious cult that genocided their rivals, her morals are pretty warped and she's done some awful things" and people were REALLY mad about that.
There were other aspects of Leona's new Lore that were pretty poorly received (mostly the actually retconned parts), but I think that's a part of it.
Ralanr2 votesAll of Targon is basically the poster child of this.
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votesMore like Panth and Leona. As far as I know Diana was pretty well received.
Chromatic Eagle2 votesTo be fair, as someone who plays a lot of Leona, her quotes make her seem like someone Braum would hang out with.
Beyond Legends1 votesNot really her quote makes her more like lawful protector if anything. I don't think her quotw fits with braum at all, if anything the new lore has more of a thematic match to her quotes.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesA protector seems like someone Braum would hang out with. Her new lore makes her someone Vayne would hang out with, if she wasn't possessed by a space person.
Beyond Legends1 votesNot all protectors are the same ans beside my point was Leona really didn't fit the braum protector lease. Her VO lines are very much of a vanguard rather than a protector if anything
Jeanne fan club4 votesThis sounds like something a vayne main would do tbh. I think it fits perfectly
KaRniVooL131 votesi think cuz its vayne ... one of hated
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votesEh, that's definitely a possibility. However people were talking like they were personally hurt by the lore change.
KaRniVooL131 voteswell maybe people got use to and into the lore of the champ and for some odd reason rito rewrote it and they dont like the rewrite
personally i never got into the lore of the game cuz to me i dont see how it plays out in the game... maybe if it was more of an RPG where you played a story line i would care more. but i think that would be a cool element i think it be to hard to do now with all the champs in the game mode. like you could pick any champ and play through a story mode RPG that included other champs based on lore and well you get where im going...
i think it would end up like gauntlet legends meets GTA meets morrowind
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votesBut they didn't rewrite Vayne's lore. If anything they just fleshed it out because it remained largely the same with very similar themes to the old lore. People really seemed to be upset over nothing
KaRniVooL132 voteswell i did put in the disclaimer i dont follow the lore...
so that being said...
as far as people being upset over something stupid that riot did well welcome to the community
Beyond Legends1 votesmeh their angry because alot of the fanon was over written. Alot of old lore was largely vague (even more than now) and alot of people took sone rather big creative liberty and fill the pieces up and has gotten use to them to the point they would ofteb ignore canon and cotinue to stretch the length of very vague lines.
So when Riot became more clear people got piss. Targon tend get piss on because it was literally the epitome of this phenomon. Old targon was basicly sterotype spartar stuck on a mountain with some random sun and moon worship. Old diana lore was hilariously bad and was very poorly intwine with the rest of targon
KaRniVooL131 votesso typical community getting pissed at riot over nothing ?
Beyond Legends1 votesEh who knows but I sure did learn theirs a alot of “profession writers” and “experts” on these boards for a while.
Eternal7911 votesIt was a similar deal with Jinx (though maybe not as widespread as Vayne). Some people were angry and thought they completely changed her character even though they just took all the things that were already known about her and put into a single, easily understood bio.
KawaiiShroom1 votesJinx was pretty much the same. I dont remember anyone being upset about jinx lore.
Eternal7911 votesThere weren't a whole lot of people, but there were some upset.
DJMason881 votesDon't through Syndra in there with those scum.
Valaran Nara1 votesHey, man. I'm just glad I was proven right on one thing about Vayne's lore...the killer of her parents. I mean, the sadistic smile, beautiful demonic woman, the fact that woman disappeared out of nowhere? Oh, that's Evelynn baby!
Lucy and Vayne got a vendetta, and they're both against the SI. Though, it looks like Vayne will have her work cut out for her since she has to hunt down a supernatural assassin. Good thing that's part of her job description.
Eternal7911 votesYeah, I thought it was Evelynn too, but when I brought it up, most people said: "Nah, Eve don't got horns." But I still suspected, and now Reav3 has confirmed our suspicions.
KawaiiShroom1 votesIt's the decision to kill her mentor is very black and white. She didn't consider the personality of her mentor and the intentions of her mentor and killed her just for what she is. It is like in real life when ppl judge others by their race and not them as a person.
This was also during the time when trump was running for president and he was prejudice against mexicans, women, and Muslim.
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votesThat's exactly why it was good though. Vayne doesn't consider users of black magic to be people, she was too traumatized for that. Are you saying she's a flawed, vengeful character? Because that's true.
Do you think Punisher is a poorly done character because he's prejudiced against criminals? Are you mad that a character isn't perfect and has flaws?
KawaiiShroom3 votesThere's nothing wrong with being a flawed vengeful character. In fact the best characters in any fiction have some flaws because it makes them human.
With the new vayne lore her moral code is so binary, it's either they are influenced by dark magic or not and no middle ground. She don't see that there's more to a person than whether if they are affected by magic.
Lots ppl wants to cheer for per because she's like batman, but killing her mentor seems like such a contrast from her character that came out of nowhere.
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votesBut her mentor used black magic? To Vayne all black magic users are subhuman animals, they deserve no mercy because they have become corrupted to the point that it is a mercy to end their lives.
If Vayne spared her life that would go against everything she would purport to stand for.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesWe know why she did it. We just dislike that she did it, especially when for several people, it was a 180 from what we thought about her.