To be honest, Zoe's characterization is atrocious

THE RlVER KlNG··158 votes·16,701 views

It boils down to the cosmic fuckup that is giving a lazy, willful brat immense temporal and magical power.

Zoe's biography describes her in no uncertain terms as a lazy student who mocks her teachers and treats her studies like a joke. With no other context, such as the actual nature of the studies or how her teachers treat her, this is an immediate red flag. Anyone in any profession ever has immediate cause to just dislike Zoe from the start. My father used to work as a drama teacher and my mother is a clinical psychology professor; they didn't suffer students like this and would often complain about them at home and how they only make their jobs harder. Anyone who has ever been a student ever can also totally appreciate this - you may dislike school, or be uninterested in your studies, but that doesn't mean you should go out of your way to antagonize your teachers, so long as they aren't doing the same to you. If you behave like this, then you're a spoiled brat. Even worse, you're a lazy brat. Everything in Zoe's biography and color piece point to her having no socialization skills whatsoever and the tact of something decidedly more sinister than she should be. Do we have villainous champions who are a thousand times more despicable than Zoe? Of course. She pales in comparison to Swain, Mordekaiser, Vel'Koz, and Tahm Kench. The difference is that Zoe is protrayed as a cutesy kid who doesn't know any better, when in reality her total incompetence and refusal to hold herself to any form of self-agency is being passed over as XD so random sparkles! preteen idiosyncracies. This is a total break from the internal standards I thought Riot held their characters to.

What the hell is wrong with the Twilight Aspect? Supreme messenger of the heavens and guardian of intense, world-shattering magical might, one day happens to notice this very same bratty little kid and say "Oh, I know. Let's invest in her all of my power and trust her with all of my mind-boggling and reality-warping duties. Even better, this last little test proves her total lack of respect for authority!". It gets worse. Zoe's whole place amongst the pantheon of Aspects seems muddled. She treats Aurelion Sol like a pet just because she can (due to his Targonian crown), tormenting him because she knows he can't really fight back. As an afterthought they throw in the fact that she occasionally fights Pantheon (What? Isn't she just a glorified Hermes? How does she beat Ares with regularity?), and in her color piece cutesily drop that there's a World Rune just sitting around. She has a huge crush on Ezreal and is spiteful and jealous towards Lux, which is odd, since her color piece makes it clear that she has the social intelligence of a 5 year old; she's been gone for millenia and doesn't have much grasp on her portal usage; when did she go to Demacia? Run into Ezreal? How does she know who either of them are? She treats her job like a joke and seems to spend more time tormenting squirrels than actually carrying out her duties, which, when you think about it, seem pretty fucking important. Why is she called the Aspect of Twilight, and how does that moniker relate at all to mischief or imagination? In what way is she linked to someone like Shen (The EYE of Twilight) or the Kinkou? Why is she still allowed to run unchecked and unsupervised with all this immense cosmic power when she doesn't use it responsibly? (Check out this post by Echoing, which highlights all the problems with Zoe's color piece in particular). By the end of her color piece, she's basically murdered an entire town using her magic without a second thought, all because they rightly freak out and send guards to drive her away when she uses magic to mess with some kids nearby. She isn't even 'tricky' or 'mischievous' like her ingame kit actually does a good job of portraying - she obliterates a town with a huge arcane meteor like a vengeful deity. She doesn't act like a curious teenager, more like a nosy little kid who completely lacks any form of common sense or social skills and acts with reckless abandon. Zoe's presence within the world of Runeterra is the contemporary analogue of an immature toddler's fingers on a thousand nuclear buttons.

I get Riot wanting to make a fun, outgoing, maybe even a little obnoxious character like Lux; we did in fact recently have a string of moody and/or dark champions like Kayn, Urgot, Eve, and Ornn. But there's a difference with creating a fun-loving bubble mage with a spoiled little kid who bullies those who can't fight back and treats her power like a joke. Take a character like Aang, from the critically acclaimed (and one of my favorites) TV show Avatar: The Last Airbender. Aang is a fun-loving air monk who is both mischievous and yeah, maybe a little lazy, a little too blase with his airbending powers at first. But over his narrative arc he learns the weight and gravity of his powers and responsibilities as the Avatar - he learns from his mistakes, understands how to rectify them, and begins to process the importance of things such as community, family, and the dignity of human life. Where he grows and learns from his mistakes in less than a year, Zoe revels in her own gleeful lack of work ethic, empathy, or humility for millenia. She's stuck as an obnoxious brat with immense power and no desire to change or learn - Aang embraces his gifts and uses them to protect and nurture, as well as fulfill his destiny to protect the people of his world. The parallels are rather striking.

TL;DR There are a lot of things wrong with Zoe thematically and narratively. She's a spoiled brat who disrespects authority and has used her power to hurt, bully, and even kill others without a second thought. She shirks her incredibly important responsibilities and the Twilight Aspect's decision to give her all this power makes zero sense. Her place within the Aspects is muddled and not clearly explained, and she seems more like an ill-contrived plot device to give Targon more firepower against the Void than a succinct and well-concieved champion in her own right. She's bratty and unintuitive, and her personality is not only obnoxious but clashes horribly with the immense power she wields. Riot has mistaken a lazy, bratty, and self-serving nuisance for the genuinely endearing innocence of youth. Its a wonder she hasn't already destroyed Runeterra, and I eagerly await more information on her because I'm really hoping this isn't the best Riot's stellar and consistently incredibly lore team can do nowadays.

269 Comments

IceKingChernobog76 votes

Lets see here

Zoe is Impulsive, Tortures animals(or mortals), Has little to no social etiquette, Lazy, shows little to no sympathy/empathy towards others, Highly Narcissistic. Yep, Zoe is an unlikable sociopath wrapped in cutesy gittler and sparkles.

SEKAI43 votes

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Lets see here

Zoe is Impulsive, Tortures animals(or mortals), Has little to no social etiquette, Lazy, shows little to no sympathy/empathy towards others, Highly Narcissistic. Yep, Zoe is an unlikable sociopath wrapped in cutesy gittler and sparkles.

There are 2 ways to go about this:

  1. That's the point - as in, she is supposed to have a completely fucked up personality that contrasts her cutesy appearance as a major theme that correlates to her aspect or something.
  2. Just some guy in Riot actually thought those traits are legitimately cute where they made Zoe with the full intent to create a happy-go-lucky cutesy character.

Who knows.

Stompburger22 votes

I think it's option 1.

I don't think Zoe is supposed to represent innocence or be actually endearing. I think her childlike appearance and attitude toward the world are intended to be unsettling when you consider the magnitude of her power. Her in-game chatter reveals that she doesn't really understand how powerful she is and the effect it has on others. So while at first glance she looks like a crazy, fun-loving sparkly magical fairy girl, she's actually a very dangerous and unpredictable being.

She's based on the Trickster archetype, though unlike most tricksters (that I've seen) she's not really cunning or devious; it's more that she just does whatever she wants and is oblivious to the consequences. And it's normal for Tricksters to have a disarming appearance - they are a lot more powerful than they look.

RiotReav380 votes

Zoe and the Aspect share the same body, like Taric. The Aspect is cunning and devious, Zoe is not. As for why the Aspect chose Zoe. For one all the Targonian Aspects don’t necessarily get along or even like each other. The Aspect of Twilight being a Trickster God likes to play tricks on humans as well as the other aspects for its own amusement. What better way to piss of the other Aspects then give a irresponsible little girl immense cosmic powers. It also finds it all extremely amusing.

Talos of Altmora14 votes

A whole town is dead because of it and her lore implies that this isn't the first time that something like this has happened.

Her mere presence warps the arcane mathematics governing realities, sometimes causing cataclysms without conscious effort or malice.

and

An encounter with Zoe can be joyous and life affirming, but it is always more than it appears and often extremely dangerous

So, um, are we sure that this aspect in particular is not some kind of sociopath?

Nik Nikerson5 votes

Are you a sociopath for squashing a bug?

Talos of Altmora12 votes

I've been over this, she is not killing animals, she has killed sentient beings who have hopes and dreams, families, and hope to see the next day.

You realize you are as much a bug to Zoe as those townsfolk, right?

Dessem5 votes

I think that's his point: to Zoe, we'd all be bugs, so is she really a sociopath for squashing us?

Warlord Dienekes15 votes

If you can no longer respect sapience and self awareness as valuable. Then yes.

Remember folk, strength (or magic) doesn’t mean you get to treat people like insects. I figured we had all learned this in kindergarten.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

Why would sapience hold any sort of intrinsic value to a higher being? And humans obviously aren't that self aware in comparison to a Aspect. It even demonstrates that in the story.

Strength doesn't give us the right to treat people like insects, because they're people. But we still treat insects like insects.

Warlord Dienekes11 votes

Zoe isn’t particularly self aware. She has no idea what she’s doing or why. She fails at basic grasping her surroundings and understanding what effect her actions cause.

If anything I’d argue her self awareness is markedly less than an average human.

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

Is the bug sapient?

Nik Nikerson3 votes

Are the humans that Zoe wiped out immortal cosmic beings that can grasp and manipulate the very fabric of reality?

Warlord Dienekes11 votes

Power does not excuse immorality.

The president has far more power than I will ever have. That does not mean it is excusable that he murders me.

Change that power from social to magic and the foundation of the argument does not change.

You are literally arguing might makes right.

Ralanr7 votes

I think he’s arguing that from their perspective, we don’t matter.

From our perspective, they are monsters. Which is accurate considering their influences.

Over Innsmouth50 votes

That may be a fine explanation, but with all respect, it's not a sufficient excuse for the reasons that a lot of us have grievances with the character.

Regardless, it's awesome that you popped in, ready to endure any hellfire. Mad respect and thanks for clearing some stuff up.

EDIT: This feels like something that should've been really clear in her lore, and it's a little worrying that it required someone stepping into a forum to explicitly tell us what's really going on for us to get it.

ModEchoing24 votes

You know what's a good trick? Reversing gravity in a house so everyone has to eat on the ceiling.

You know what's NOT a good trick? Annihilating everything.

The former would be unique specifically to Zoe in this case. The latter is a cheap move half of League's mages can do without trying. If this is a trickster god, let's see some trickster things instead of a meteor wiping out the guardians, the keep, and anything else that might have been there.

I'll echo the other posters - you're giving us information that should have been given in the bio, in the color story, or somewhere else. That's not exactly fair to us readers, and only helps those who read this very post. Everyone else who sees Zoe's lore but doesn't see this post is missing a critical point of clarity.

Quepha64 votes

She definitely captures a ton of character attributes in common with some of the most hated characters in fiction (and fan-fiction).

Rude Name4 votes

She's the type of character who'd be perfect for a TV show. Plenty of negative attributes and lessons to learn, making for a educational and entertaining children's show.

Quepha35 votes

She's the exact type of character that would never learn anything, that's kind of the point.

Rude Name9 votes

Hm. You have a point :(

Pale Pirate5 votes

A spoiled little girl who was selected by the heavens to hold a billion nuclear weapons and do whatever she pleases with them and who when she gets bored goes back home to bully (torment?) another being for the lolz and regret nothing for a millennia and more.

No plz don't show this to your children, how did it get past 4kids anyway.

ModWulf Helhammer36 votes

There’s a big thing I’m noticing people aren’t bringing up:

The Aspect that took Zoe isn’t just a messenger god, they're a trickster god.

So add the destructive power and want to create chaos of someone like Loki, and put that in an already mischievous and uncaring child. Then take them away for a few millennia, and voila! You have someone as messed up as Zoe.

As Ralanr said, she isn’t supposed to be a role model. In all honestly she isn’t really supposed to have too many redeeming qualities. She’s not pure evil like the Void, and that’s about it.

SolarisCorvus12 votes

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There’s a big thing I’m noticing people aren’t bringing up:

The Aspect that took Zoe isn’t just a messenger god, they're a trickster god.

So add the destructive power and want to create chaos of someone like Loki, and put that in an already mischievous and uncaring child. Then take them away for a few millennia, and voila! You have someone as messed up as Zoe.

As Ralanr said, she isn’t supposed to be a role model. In all honestly she isn’t really supposed to have too many redeeming qualities. She’s not pure evil like the Void, and that’s about it.

Her bio doesnt really have her tricking people. She doesnt have the social skills to understand another person or trick them. And she doesnt use trickery in fights either, she just obliterates an entire town. That seems more like something pantheon or sol would do in a fight instead of a trickster.

ModWulf Helhammer14 votes

You’re thinking as if trickery is putting a bucket of water above a door.

Think trickster gods like Loki, or to a lesser extent like Hermès.

They played some small tricks like that, yes. They also caused absolute chaos (and I believe Loki is also the one who kinda triggers Ragnarok). Zoe’s Aspect is that kind of a god.

ninjaroxas1 votes

In Smite lore loki killed Zeus framed another god and set lose a extremely powerful evil god (the one that was prophesied to cause Ragnarok) which caused Ares to basically go on a god killing spree trying to get revenge for Zeus. So ya not all tricks are small.

Shinjusuke11 votes

Smite lore completely destroys the lore of all the pantheons it uses

Talos of Altmora35 votes

Thank you! Also, does anyone else find it kind disturbing how it she treats Sol? I mean, Sol is an acient deity that creates stars who her people have enslaved, used as a weapon agaist other empires and other cosmic deities, and if he tries to disobey, one of his stars, something he loves more than anything, is destroyed.

Zoe treats him like dirt. Sure they try to make her look better than Pantheon because she protects his stars, but she calls him a 'space doggie' and treats him like a whiney kid who wants an ice cream. I hope she doesn't mind what the 'space doggie' will do once he's free.

THE RlVER KlNG42 votes

I'd pay large sums of money to read some fic where Sol breaks his crown and just fucking swallows Zoe whole, never to be seen again

Talos of Altmora34 votes

Somewhere in the solar system of Runeterra

"Oh Sooool!"

Aurelion Sol sighed. He much preferred it when the void of space was his; a quiet and silent place where he could create artwork to his hearts content. Now however, after countless ages enslaved by the beings who once gazed at his art with reverence, he was aware of just how loud it could get. Especially with this annoyance.

"What is it that you want?" The dragon spoke, his annoyance clear. The small girl, Zoe he believed this particular host called itself, seemed to ignore his response, simply giggling before reappearing in between his eyes. Sol suppressed a growl as his eyes focued on the small creature.

"Aw, i just want to visit my favorite space doggie!" she said cheerily.

Sol's anger rose. So, this is what I've been reduced to. He thought bitterly. Zoe seemed to exist to rub salt into his wounds, and while he knew her peoples control was slipping, there was only so much he could do at current.

Zoe sat down on his face. "Well, Pantheon seems to think that your not supposed to be here, he's been thinking of trying to destroy that star you bragged about..." No, she doesn't mean- "Oh yeah, Optume! Don't you worry bout it though, I'll try to make sure he doesn't... as long as you play a game with me."

Sol's anger reached a breaking point; Optume was his greatest work, the last he had created before he came to visit these microbes and if they though they would destroy her-! No Sol, you can use this. He told himself. "I would love to, but my crown, it's not in the same state it used to be." He let out a sigh. "if you could take a look at it, I would be eternally grateful."

Zoe, pouted, but quickly moved to his crown. "Oh wow, it does look pretty busted up." she commented, but as she touched the crown, she felt suddenly weakened. The crown hen exploded into a thousand pieces. Sol, no longer bound by it spell, took the chance and the surprise on Zoe's face to quickly bring his jaws down on the Aspect of Twilight and charged his divine breath. Zoe died instantly.

Aurelion Sol, for once in ages long past, was finally rid of one of the aspects of Targon. "Now," he said with a large grin on his face. "for the rest."

Rito Lore Team21 votes

As soon as you hear anything about something being "cosmic" instantly write it off as crappy writing. Every time Riot brings up the notion of something being "cosmic" they use it as a crutch in order to prop up their poorly written lore. Bard, Aurelion Sol, Taric, and now Zoe all suffer from poorly written lore that can't even answer the question of "Why?" and above that why people should care about the character's lore.

This is because of Riot's current stance on lore and world building. Each character has a bit of lore that only pertains to their region and nothing more. What I mean by this is that the characters have very shallow lore and never branch out of their initial regional sphere and interact with other parts of Runeterra. This is in part due to a lack of "living" lore and instead we only get small pieces of static lore when a new character in the corresponding regional sphere is released.

An example showing this would be how Zoe is this trickster like character and has an initial story revolving around her returning to Runeterra. Thats as far as it goes, and we will most likely never have any more lore about Zoe unless they do a retcon of the lore(again) or have another Lore event. Many things are never going to be answered, like how Zoe has specific interactions with Lux, Ezreal, Aurelion Sol. There is nothing in her lore that indicates that she has somehow met them in order to even have these interactions.

Riot's Lore is sloppy and unfulfilling. They have had plenty of time to get a decent working lore plan setup and a living world since they removed the Journal of Justice, their initial agreement to start doing lore again, and their retcon of Summoner's in order to give them more creative liberties.

Darrosh Jewfist18 votes

I think this highlights something about Zoe that we don't really discuss a lot with LoL champions, which is the question: what are Zoe's positive traits?

Her color story suggests the following: She's not very social (she doesn't know how to interact with kids her age) She's not aware of social norms, customs for someone her age (she doesn't understand kids playing tag) She's has problems with attention (she can't remember why she's doing things, zig-zags from topic to topic) She's possibly a sociopath (she drops a meteor on a village and doesn't care)

All of these traits are pretty negative. There's not many positive traits that Zoe exhibits. She's certainly not a role model.

I think one problem, and this comes off as pure conjecture from her aesthetic, is that Zoe started off a Disney/Pixar princess type. They're female characters that have exaggerated personalities (see Joy from Inside Out or that one girl from Wreck It Ralph). They wanted her to be fun loving, and have all that jazz but they forgot to show any good traits.

Zoe comes off like a Mary Sue from a fanfic because of this.

Ralanr12 votes

I don’t think Zoe is supposed to be a role model.

THE RlVER KlNG23 votes

Then she's a character without a clear narrative purpose, at least for me. She's not a heroic aspect like Taric, or one with the buildup for a redemptive arc involving the Void War like Atreus. She doesn't have the epic, emotional, and grounded conflict of Diana and Leona.

She's a godlike deity with all the flaws I mentioned above and Riot is trying to pass her off as a cutesy preteen prankster.

Ralanr12 votes

What’s the narrative purpose of Puck?

Zoe is a messenger, she is literally bringing the message in the worst way though. That’s her impact in the narrative.

Darrosh Jewfist9 votes

What’s the narrative purpose of Puck?

Are you calling Zoe a glorified plot device?

I mean, you could. Or could not. My problem with comparing Zoe to Puck and stuff is that we've come a long way in literature in the last 500 years since Shakespeare. Yeah, take inspiration from the guy but don't run and point at Shakespeare and go "BUT HE DID IT! WHY CAN'T I?" It's the same reason by Tolkein can get away with making up a bunch of fantasy languages and worldbuild the hell out of LoTR, he did it first and he did it well.

I mean, Homer could get away with infodumping and overdescribing Achille's armor for an entire chapter (or book, whatever) in The Illiad but you can't get away with that kind of stuff in modern storytelling.

Craft Zeppelin7 votes

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What’s the narrative purpose of Puck?

Zoe is a messenger, she is literally bringing the message in the worst way though. That’s her impact in the narrative.

Puck is under orders of Oberon. And at least tries to make things right when he fails. Yet to fail again.

There isn't much comedy here. More like WTF

Ralanr9 votes

Zoe is under orders of whoever gives her the message. She is also unaware of the destruction she causes because she has basic levels of ADHD and a power set that only seems to make it worse.

But she still does her job and delivers the message. Just not how she planned it (or thought of it).

She’s not a free agent.

Darrosh Jewfist6 votes

I guess that's a poor way to word it. I was trying to say "Zoe has no traits you'd applaud/want to emulate."

Take Vader, he's not exactly a nice person but at the end he does the 'right' thing. Hell, take any decently strong character and they'd have flaws and noble characteristics. Marty McFly is easily angered but ultimately he grows and wants to do the right thing. Han Solo is a rogue with a heart of gold. These characters have unsavory moments you'd cringe and feel bad for (Zoe has plenty of these) but they have moments where you go 'YEAH! THAT'S WHAT I'D DO IN THAT SITUATION!" Zoe doesn't have that second part.

Ralanr3 votes

You sure? I feel Zoe has that for hyperactive children.

Darrosh Jewfist11 votes

You applaud children that are being hyperactive and unaware enough to the point of blowing up a town with a meteor?

Ralanr5 votes

If it makes sense given the situation, yes.

Would I want it to happen? No. But I still find it relatable and fitting for her.

She’s not a good person. She’s basically what happens when a child gets a lot of power.

Darrosh Jewfist12 votes

Gods. I hate this particular sentence.

If it makes sense given the situation, yes.

I could write a story about Amanda, who was given Magical Powers by the Eternal Space Parasite of Dawn-Midnight, and she is an immortal 13 year old girl who's shy and has a crush on the Sparkles Prince. She's immature for her age so she blew up a town and all its people cause she wanna. She wanna and that's the reason why, cause she's a child.

The paragraph above makes sense. She's an immature child with powers and she did what 'basically what happens when a child gets a lot of power.'

That doesn't mean it's a good story or Amanda is a good character. Not at all.

Ralanr6 votes

A good character is one that flows naturally with their actions and personality. That doesn’t mean they are good people or morally correct.

But no, I’m not arguing that Zoe is a great character. I’m arguing her character makes sense given the circumstances. A good character also has room to grow, which I don’t feel with Zoe.

Darrosh Jewfist5 votes

We can agree Zoe isn't a good character in terms of potential development at least.

Ralanr7 votes

Yes. I was honestly hoping for more when she was teased.

FuhrerRico6 votes

The champ design and kit seem fun, but yeah her bio is hot garbage and lazy as it gets. Where do they find these lame writers? They suck so bad, literally hardly more than a handful of decent bios. They all seem rushed like some 13 yr old wrote them.

THE RlVER KlNG17 votes

Au contraire, Riot has one of the best and most pitifully underutilized narrative departments in the gaming industry. Its because of this that these hiccups with Zoe are so shocking to someone like me.

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

From the game company who made up the lore cluster fuck of what is known as Gragas, AND the more worse version before it was rewritten.

Lintu Puck3 votes

how is Gragas a clusterfuck?

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