@Rioters, How Much Does Player Sentiment About The Old Lore Affect Your Current Lore Decisions?

Impetual·3/7/2015, 9:35:59 AM·8 votes·1,359 views

Lore doesn't feel like it matters to Riot beyond new champions releases anymore... and to be fair, it's been years since it did.

I'm just kind of curious about how much player opinion on the Story and Art boards actually matters to the Rioters involved in creating Runeterra's lore.

Do we matter? If so, how much? Can player sentiment against horrible feeling decisions change/affect your approach/decisions about lore?

Because based on what you've released in the last year or so, It really doesn't feel like player opinion matters anymore.

It's easy to say that you care about player opinion, but especially when it comes to lore, it's been a really long time since you've actually shown it RIot!

To be honest, it really felt like lore fans have been continually thrown under the bus by the lore team at Riot.

First, Riot pretty much ignores the lore forums for months/years.

Then, out of nowhere, they announce the Retcon which destroyed most of the lore of Runeterra in one feel swoop.

The Dev Blog in which the Retcon was announced was met with highly negative criticism from the community.

The first Riot post is at more than 500 downvotes!

The lore boards were later removed from the old forums without warning** before they were immigrated to the new forums** for some mysterious reason**...Riot eventually fixed this, but only after the community protested.

...The narrative team continued to not talk to us....except for Riot Opeli...who made some pretty controversial posts including: "why is it imperative that a 5v5 game is deeply connected to our characters?"

A Rioter literally asked why the game "League of Legends" should be deeply connected to its characters. What a great design philosophy! /sarcasm. Seriously, why wouldn't any game want its gameplay to be tied to its lore?

I've got no hate for Opeli, she was just doing her job...but it feels like she was a product of RIot's new approach to lore.

Riot keeps telling us that they care about Runeterra these days, but they never deliver on the quality or quantity that they did during season 1 and 2.

Seriously, if a company is becoming more successful, and not delivering a champion release every two weeks, and not releasing lore updates in the form of a newspaper every two weeks, you would think we'd have **something **pretty good to replace it.

The problem is, that we haven't.

Content releases have gotten further and further apart (this includes visual updates) and the quality of lore has not increased, and arguably, has pretty much been destroyed.

It* seems* that the bigger Riot gets, the less they care especially when it comes to their lore. (Please prove me wrong Riot! Please!** Actually release some content that proves this thread wrong!** I would love that!)

I'd love to care about Runeterra's Lore again!

It would be great it was worth caring about again!

Post retcon, the lore is in shambles, and it's being left that way for quite a while.

Riot now, we are lucky to have one Rioter: Bioluminescence who is actually willing to talk to us on the story and art forums despite the fact that he/she doesn't actually have much concrete info to share. I don't think that he is actually even on the narrative team, yet he's one of the only points of contact we have with RIot on the narrative threads.

That seems like something must be going pretty bad at RIot HQ in the lore department, as they seemingly don't exist.

Hopefully other Rioters, who may actually be in the Narrative department will someday gain the balls to talk to us players about controversial issues, like the Rioters of old used to.

That would be awesome to see RIot gain back one of it's defining traits it used to have:** developer involvement with players in order to make a great game!**

@Riot, can we work together again? Or are your Rioters going to continue to placate us with nonsense and non-answers in order for you to easily disarm questions and ignore constructive criticism which could help make your game better?

10 Comments

Kikirino3/7/2015, 9:50:52 AM9 votes

I don't think they care at all. Used to love lore. I wanted a Lore based game mode. Not anymore.

People ask for real lore. Instead we get pretty songs about Amumu that tell us nothing. We get fancy animations about Bard that is nothing more than a good animation. Champions don't even get real lore. Gnar? We get a story about Rengar throwing away Gnar's boomerang and pissing off Gnar. Cool. Where does he come from? Why is he in the League? Rek'sai? She hunts in the desert... Great. Bard? You know, the champion released AFTER people beg for real lore... "When the unknowable structure of the universe is threatened, Bard steers all existence away from utter annihilation." Okay... What the hell is he? Why is he in the League?

At this point I wonder why they even call it League of Legends anymore. The League doesn't even exist anymore. Might as well retcon the name.

Sneak Dog3/7/2015, 1:06:43 PM9 votes

They seem to be entirely willing to change/replace characters into/for new ones if it fits their story better. Trundle and Xerath proof this quite well. I can't invest in characters that might be gone tomorrow. The new lore cannot be engaging for me for this reason.

NorthernDruid3/7/2015, 1:55:10 PM8 votes

The best part is the one where they claim they've retconned everything, and then leave 90% of the old lore untouched.

AFAIK only the champion bios that were changed around Ascension and some of the SI champions during the Harrowing were actually altered... And they weren't even retconned, they were just cut down in size.

They keep claiming the old lore is dead and gone, but I haven't seen any new lore to replace it so far, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and shove the option to retcon the retcon in their faces as much as I can.

Not that I really can do that very much at current.

Baron Von Bangin3/10/2015, 10:51:08 PM4 votes

Riot lives by the mantra, "Nothing is sacred."

They don't care about any lore that does not fit their idea of cool. They were retconning Udyr's fight for Ionian freedom against the aggressive invasion from Noxus. Fans roared out in anger and fought against his new Flerjordian lore using arguments about how it completely invalidated lore from the past and shat all over an extremely dearly held event (the Ionia v. Noaxus match). After such massive outcry Kitae tweaked the new Udyr lore to include his fight against Noxus.

Okay... still shitty but not so bad.

Now, everything is gone. There was no Ionia v. Noxus match. The boots they added into the game mean nothing. Riot KNEW people loved that part of the game but they know better than us. They know what we like before we even like it.

Nothing is sacred. Anything can be changed because the writers don't care about the work of an established world. They don't care about community investment. They don't care about the stories from the writers that built League into what it is today. The absurdity of this situation would be like if Star Fleet and the Federation was deleted from Star Trek canon because all those rules and morals were too restricting and really inhibited story telling potential, rather than using the established setting as a tool for telling new stories.

Impetual3/14/2015, 6:49:50 AM2 votes

@Rioters, Are you even listening to these comments here?

Do any of you have any insight to share with us that actually addresses the points made in this thread?