Anyone In Favor of the revival of the Institute of War?

Impetual·Dec 16, 2014·26 votes·1,446 views

Post retcon, do you think Riot should find a place for the Institute of War to still be a part of Runeterra?

19 Comments

Tal9922Dec 16, 20148 votes

Dude, let it go already. Eyes forward, not back

ImpetualDec 16, 201410 votes

Sorry, Maybe I'm just one of the few LoL fans that hope Riot will return to the old Lore direction that helped make me like this game.

These days, a new champion seems like it is released around an event, particular to a specific part of Runeterra. Used to be, when a champion was released, it would have an impact on the whole world of Runeterra through the Institute of War. Sadly, those days are gone.

This thread is about hearing some player opinions on the current lore direction, and how it feels.

redniwediSDec 16, 20146 votes

There's more than a few who would absolutely love it if the old lore came back, even if they killed off the IoW though in lore events within the first week. All we can hope for is some hints that tie back to the original lore, perhaps in a real way (like parallel timeline/alternate reality shenanigans) or just as easter eggs.

However unless you're part of the decision making teams at Riot it's high time these things were let go. Riot made up their minds long before they told us their plans, and it's past time everyone accepts that.

LordHippomanDec 16, 20144 votes

Honestly, the champion releases even before the retcon didn't always advance the plot. I mean, Azir is an important character for an entire faction, Revived Shurima, and did advance the plot a bit.

Champions like Swain and Lissandra really did advance the plot as well, but there were still a ton of characters that did absolutely nothing, and continued to do absolutely nothing in the lore. Gnar Syndra Twitch Zyra Zac

OuroboroDec 18, 20142 votes

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Honestly, the champion releases even before the retcon didn't always advance the plot. I mean, Azir is an important character for an entire faction, Revived Shurima, and did advance the plot a bit.

Champions like Swain and Lissandra really did advance the plot as well, but there were still a ton of characters that did absolutely nothing, and continued to do absolutely nothing in the lore.

Those champions didn't even have the Institute of War mentioned in their lore. I wouldn't really count them.

SchaakaKonDec 16, 20147 votes

Im still banking that the removal of the IoW and LoL is a 2015 April Fools joke. Six months strong now ~ I foresee it!

Because honestly, Riot made the decision to remove the IoW since around Jayce's release and (with the exception of the Freljord event) there has been nothing lorewise. There has been more Poro related content than lore!

Which is why I am certain come 04/01/2015 Riot is going to drop a Starwars "Luke, I am your father." Class lore bombshell that the IoW is still around, Reginald Ashram returns with an uncanny partnership with Jarvin the 3rd and [kats father, on my phone cant double check. Du-something..], they travel to the Void in a wiley adventure. They uncover the dark history of the Shadow Isles. They find out wtf Jax is (is he a troll? Is he a darkin? Is he a ninja turtle?). All of us lore nerds creame our pamts in excitement. Lore at last, lore at last!

Or it turns out the jokes on us and we get more champs like Yasou and Vel'Koz that could have a cool story but end up being nothing, just nothing. (Lorewise)

Diana x MeDec 16, 20147 votes

Considering the fact that they are stupid enough to toss away years of work, there is no sense in paying attention to pretty much anything narrative releases.

Btw, most of us who care about the IoW et cetera deem Factions lore as canon now.

ImpetualDec 20, 20142 votes

Personally, I'm starting to lean towards just considering factions when it comes to lore.

I think that indicates something pretty bad for Riot's lore department, considering 3rd parties are doing their lore better.

NarasimhaDec 21, 20142 votes

That's debatable. And don't get me wrong, I love Factions. CCT has done some good work. But to the eyes of any third party? We're the outcasts, the rebels, the ones who cling to the past and refuse to accept change. And as an avid comic book reader and someone used to retcons, I can understand that. In the end, its the writer's universe. He/she/they made the story, and they set the rules for it. What they say is canon. Everything else is us just trying to make a statement. Baring some insane decisions from Riot, we have to accept that we're the ones running away. In all honesty, the new lore isn't bad at all. They're choosing to expand the world rather than focus on the characters.

Diana x MeDec 22, 20142 votes

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That's debatable. And don't get me wrong, I love Factions. CCT has done some good work. But to the eyes of any third party? We're the outcasts, the rebels, the ones who cling to the past and refuse to accept change. And as an avid comic book reader and someone used to retcons, I can understand that. In the end, its the writer's universe. He/she/they made the story, and they set the rules for it. What they say is canon. Everything else is us just trying to make a statement. Baring some insane decisions from Riot, we have to accept that we're the ones running away. In all honesty, the new lore isn't bad at all. They're choosing to expand the world rather than focus on the characters.

Anything is debatable. That's right its the writers universe. How many writers has Riot gone through?Not to mention it is third party to the work of the original writer and each new writer is copying off the original writers work. We are doing what they could not. They abandoned and ran away from their own work. What we are doing is telling them that what they are doing is unacceptable. Yeah, they can do whatever they want but, isn't it the job of the company to satisfy the customer? Sure they can choose not to but, their will be repercussions for their actions. Should a people give in to the demands of a government if it infringes upon them? If they can choose to fight back why shouldn't they?

It's not just about us either. It's also about respecting the original writers work whom the company just tossed away like it was nothing, despite spending countless hours on it. It's just evil.

OK I don't see how anything I said was off topic or wrong. Your going to down vote me because I made a counter arguement?

Sneak DogDec 16, 20146 votes

I don't specifically need the Institute. What I want is immersion, a reason for the game being the way it is.

Dan SquaredDec 17, 20145 votes

I'm for two options.....keep the current trend going, because while there is still LARGE amounts of clean up to do in regards to champion bio's and lore rebuilding to work around the lack of the IoW, there has still been some good lore produced since the ret-con and riot is moving in a decent direction at least.

second...keep the current trend going, but re-create the institute. As in, instead of the IoW being created a generation or so ago, tell the story of how the actual League of Legends is created and how it operates. Clean up the problems it had (summoners delving inside champions minds, puppet-master issues, ect)...keep the political intrigue that had been coming up since before Kalamanda, and give us a way for champions with no major faction alignments and no reason to interact with other champions a place to be and get involved with stuff

I actually don't want them to just say screw it, we are ret-coning the ret-con. Either keep going without the league, or use this new beginning to make the IoW far more interesting than it was before.

Earl EulrichDec 16, 20143 votes

I sort of would have been...but if the same guys that retconed it out without any hesitation were about to write it anew - it´s probably better it stays resting in peace instead of being rewritten without respect and love.

OuroboroDec 18, 20143 votes

Yes please.

I loved it. I want to be a Summoner again. I want to connect with champions again.

MotajoDec 16, 20142 votes

What would it do, exactly?

GreenLoreDec 16, 20141 votes

Overall I don't need the IoW back,but I wouldn't be against it either.

The IoW posed some problems,I agree with riot about that,but I think that it also had a lot of good sides(giving the game an actual justification and being a way for many champs to interact with each other). A lot of people say that the IoW wasn't that powerful as some people say,but in the end it was still extremely powerful hammering a lot of conflicts(stopping the kalamanda conflict and being the reason why noxus specifically targeted factions outside of it)

Solidair3Dec 18, 20141 votes

Honestly, I felt the IoW was a tired mechanic. Every new champ addition was "Champion wants to do thing, and joined the League so they could get thing!"

I'd rather they all just be out doing their thang. My only concern is how some champions will interact without it. For instance, what reason does Nami have to interact with ANY champion? she just needs her moonstone.

But things like this will be addressed eventually, and I am okay with waiting if it means I get the best product possible.

Sneak DogDec 18, 20141 votes

Nami will just wander Valoran in search of her moonstone.

Grouchy PoroDec 18, 20141 votes

I don't think they should do the institute of war but I want to see summoners somehow brought back in. There's a mural of them as an easter egg on the map, and I think Rioters have confirmed the summoners will somehow still be cannon which gives me hope for the future. I'd just like a way for it to all be tied together somehow; the rift being a place that somehow bends the laws of reality in runeterra.