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Hey, how about some inventive skins, @Riot

Swainey Todd··5 votes·1,081 views

After seeing the PBE update with Deep Sea Nami and Soul Stealer Vayne, it seems a bit apparent that Riot is starting to run out of ideas. They're alright to me, but... Nothing more. Simply that. Alright. And don't get me started on the "10 gems gets you a skin, but you'll have to spend >$250 to get it" gimmick.

  • The Nami skin looks decent, but she's an angler fish and... Isn't she already from the sea?

  • The Vayne skin is pretty much Kalista, and it'll probably get that overused, almost tacky spoooooooky sound effect to her voice even though she's supposed to be AGAINST black magicks, but whatever.

Vayne and Nami have PLENTY of skins, plus Nami just got one pretty recently.

Can people actually have their voices heard as to what champs need skins, anyway? Can we perhaps get skins for, oh, I don't know, mages? Juggernauts? Does it ALWAYS have to be the marksman + support combo that already gets enough attention as is? Or the flavor-of-the-month champions? I feel like my only posts are about this issue, and I'm going blue in the face from repeating myself. I know Riot is a business, but there's 131 champs out there. _Others need skins more. _

I don't expect Riot to respond, or even if they did, to give an answer besides "_________ will get a skin eventually."

But this is a very obvious problem, and people have been noticing.

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Sharjo4 votes

The Nami skin looks decent, but she's an angler fish and... Isn't she already from the sea?

And her release skin was her as a Koi fish. I don't see the issue here considering the immense diversity of fish species that exist.

The Vayne skin is pretty much Kalista, and it'll probably get that overused, almost tacky spoooooooky sound effect to her voice even though she's supposed to be AGAINST black magicks, but whatever.

I don't really have anything to say here because nothing about the skin really strikes me as odd or appealing, but then again we haven't even seen what the visuals are like; only static images (at the time of me typing this).

Can we perhaps get skins for, oh, I don't know, mages? Juggernauts?

I mean, on patch 6.11, literally the patch that's still live for a few of hours before this post we had skins for Volibear, Dr. Mundo and Gnar. We also got a big patch this year with some very expensive skins for Lissandra, Sion and Soraka.

Does it ALWAYS have to be the marksman + support combo that already gets enough attention as is?

Always? This doesn't happen that often. Thresh + Varus is coming up, but before that the previous support + adc combo was Draven and Tahm Kench, which was also shared with Vel'Koz and Maokai, who also have a lack of skins.

I know Riot is a business, but there's 131 champs out there. Others need skins more.

Everybody needs skins, including Nami and Vayne. You might say they have too much, but this is Nami's fourth. There is no such thing as "too many skins" until said skins start cannibalizing the concepts of one another on an individual champion. They'll get their skins, just not this time around. That's just fact. Sion, Kassadin and Kennen are all recent examples of old, seemingly forgotten champions in terms of skins getting new, high quality skins in recent times. It'll happen.

Swainey Todd1 votes

Of course there's lots of aquatic species out there. But, pun not intended, what's going to be the one that draws the line in the sand? Shark Nami? Coelacanth Nami? I just feel like these people are just giving skins for the sake of blindly giving them away with not as much artistic thought put into them.

To be honest, I forgot about the Lucha Libre skins. You're right. I was mostly going for a "certain subgroups getting preferential treatment" statement, but you pointed that out correctly. But what about mages, as another question about skins? It's a miracle if one's even CONSIDERED for a skin instead of a mid assassin, for example.

Yes, everyone needs a skin, and I don't mean to sound like an asshat saying what I am. And yes, Voli and Gnar are juggernauts that got skins, and in those examples they were getting skins dished out twice in one year. All I was trying to say was that some groups of champions are being left out. Right now the group-du-jour if you will is the marksman. Look at Draven. He got a BUNCH of skins in rapid succession, and he's been out for less than 4 years. The fact that they're making it this new "marksman + support combo" doesn't take away from the fact that marksmen are getting all of the attention drawn to them.

I understand where you come from when you say "there's no such thing as too many skins," but it's a matter of "devoting the team's attention to a select few champs while others have YEARS to wait." Let's mention Kennen. It took him four years to get a new skin, and he didn't even get a rework or anything. Kassadin, as you mentioned, is another great example. Yet champs like Annie have, what, 10 skins?

GreenLore1 votes

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Of course there's lots of aquatic species out there. But, pun not intended, what's going to be the one that draws the line in the sand? Shark Nami? Coelacanth Nami? I just feel like these people are just giving skins for the sake of blindly giving them away with not as much artistic thought put into them.

To be honest, I forgot about the Lucha Libre skins. You're right. I was mostly going for a "certain subgroups getting preferential treatment" statement, but you pointed that out correctly. But what about mages, as another question about skins? It's a miracle if one's even CONSIDERED for a skin instead of a mid assassin, for example.

The reason for that is likely because of the mid-year mage update. The 6 mages that got new effects were all on the "no-skin-list" until their reworks were finished(though vel'koz seems to have been an exception,but that might have been because his update was extremely small compared to the others and he just got a 750 skin). Also we got this year already skins for Lissandra Orianna Velkoz Kennen and depending on what you count as a mage there are also Morgana Maokai Leblanc

Also skins for mages tend to need a lot of new special effects meaning that it is more work to do a mage skin than for most other classes.

Mistress Shyvana2 votes

I agree :D

Swainey Todd1 votes

:3

SOLOQSUPERHERO2 votes

I'm sorry.

But did you not see the sea monster in the tidal wave?!

I see your point on the marksman / support thing, but deep sea Nami has been a concept around for awhile and it looks sick.

Swainey Todd1 votes

I'm not saying it doesn't look good, cause it does. It's just... They could do so much more with Nami, you know? That's like making Void Malzahar or Freljord Sejuani.

And I saw some concepts for Deep Sea Nami, if I'm not mistaken. Wasn't she more of a Kraken? THAT would have been really cool.

Wamuudes1 votes

Except that no it isn't. Deep Sea Nami is a skin in deference to a nasty little part of the ocean known as the Abyss, the dank ass part of the sea where no light penetrates from the surface. Her classic theme is more in keeping with standard oceanic life. Despite the similarity of "OH durr still a fish" there is a pretty good difference between them.

As for the skin itself, what the hell else do you want? She'd darker, darker particle effects, and they added a friggin sea monster to the tidal wave. It's a good skin. Stop being a nit-picking little brat.

SOLOQSUPERHERO1 votes

I think color scheme pushed them away from a kraken like skin. Nami has a lot of brightly colored Skins, and I think the deep ocean was a really natural place to go for her as it would appeal to a wider audience.

GreenLore1 votes

The problem with making Namis lower body a kraken is readability. When making a skin it is important to keep the general appearance of the champ intact.

Changing Namis lower body to that of a kraken would alter her silhouette quite a bit which could cause readability issues.

71883083DEL11 votes

speaking as a vayne main, i don't really care that there is a skin that is spooky and against her 'I sense black magicks' witch-hunter attitude

Moonboy651 votes

Nami only has 3 skins (not counting her classic)

GreenLore1 votes

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  • The Nami skin looks decent, but she's an angler fish and... Isn't she already from the sea?

It makes sense for Nami to have skins based on different fish(thats why we got koi-nami),given the fact that she'll need to keep her fish-lower-body anyway. And the deap sea theme gives her an underwater-horror-theme which makes it quite different from her regular one.

As for Vayne: Its not uncommon for darker heroes to become the things they hate. This skin pretty much shows Vayne using dark magic to hunt dark magic users,she fights fire with fire.

Vayne and Nami have PLENTY of skins, plus Nami just got one pretty recently.

What?... Nami has only 3 skins and you say she has plenty?

Can people actually have their voices heard as to what champs need skins, anyway? Can we perhaps get skins for, oh, I don't know, mages? Juggernauts? Does it ALWAYS have to be the marksman + support combo that already gets enough attention as is?

Oh yeah its always the support+marksman combo,like in the latest patch where we had skins for Gnar DrMundo Volibear or the one before that with skins for Fizz Shyvana and Kindred ....

Sure it happens now 2 times in a row(dark star skin line this patch and these 2 skins in the next),but in this case it is likely just a coincidence. After all you can't even buy Soul stealer vayne directly,so it's not like you can buy these 2 skins just like that.

Or the flavor-of-the-month champions? I feel like my only posts are about this issue, and I'm going blue in the face from repeating myself. I know Riot is a business, but there's 131 champs out there. _Others need skins more. _

I doubt that this can affect them that much,considering that Vaynes playrate has been high for quite some time(so it can be hardly called flavor of the month) and Namis playrate increased only recently(which would be long before they even made this skin). Also they just gave us skins for Gnar and mundo who are both rather average(or even below average) in terms of playrate. Sure this patch will come with a new thresh skin,but also with a new varus skin and varus is one of the least popular adcs.

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