Come on! Give us like Bewitched Rakan and Count Xayah to really throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing.
I really hate seeing all the media version of witches because they always act like it's a women only thing which is historically and culturally incorrect. If you wanna take my culture and use it for skins, do it right!
Ebonmaw Dragon10 voteshttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch
witch /wɪtʃ/ noun 1. a woman thought to have magic powers, especially evil ones, popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick.
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch
witch /wɪtʃ/ noun 1. a woman thought to have magic powers, especially evil ones, popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick.
A male witch is a warlock. Happy now?
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A male witch is a warlock. Happy now?
Yes, its not a witch.
ProExpertKing1 votesThat's not true at all, warlock literally means oath breaker. Warlocks are people who use the powers of demons and not a witch who uses the power of the natural world. Thus their ties to the autumn month and vegetation, ie: living in the woods, pumpkins, potions made of animal parts and fungus.
Pika Fox1 votesThat's not true at all, warlock literally means oath breaker. Warlocks are people who use the powers of demons and not a witch who uses the power of the natural world. Thus their ties to the autumn month and vegetation, ie: living in the woods, pumpkins, potions made of animal parts and fungus.
Oh hey, someone that understands their shit getting downvotted. Welcome to the boards.
Yes, there are male witches.
ProExpertKing1 votesYeah there was a big fiasco earlier you missed. Probably for the best though.
I did find out that it's not that people actually have a problem with the idea of male witches or a male champion with a Bewitching skin, they just don't understand why I care and assume that because I do, I'm the raging tumblr user who feels like they have to actually fight people and don't agree with me which I'm not.
I don't care if you agree, I just want you to understand my point.
ProExpertKing2 votesWhich completely ignores where the name came from and also only referring to the media verson. By this defination Baba Yaga isn't a witch, which if you tell anyone who knows anything about witches, they'll tell you that you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about. Also then Prestige MF isn't a witch because her robes are white.
Ebonmaw Dragon9 votesWhich completely ignores where the name came from and also only referring to the media verson. By this defination Baba Yaga isn't a witch, which if you tell anyone who knows anything about witches, they'll tell you that you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about. Also then Prestige MF isn't a witch because her robes are white.
"popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick." does not mean always.
The point is that "Witch" is a term used for FEMALES with magical powers. Baba Yaga IS a female.
Saying that there are no male witches is like saying that there are no female actors... Because female actors are not called actors.
Dont tell me that im wrong, tell the dictionary.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/witch
witch (n.) Old English wicce "female magician, sorceress," in later use especially "a woman supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts,"
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch
a woman who is believed to have magical powers and who uses them to harm or help other people
Even Wikipedia says:
The Middle English word wicche did not differentiate between feminine and masculine, however the masculine meaning became less common in Standard English, being replaced by words like "wizard" and "warlock". The modern spelling witch with the medial 't' first appears in the 16th century.** In current colloquial English "witch" is almost exclusively applied to women**, and the OED has "now only dialectal" for the masculine noun.
ProExpertKing2 votesBut you quite are wrong in what you're saying. That's why I'm telling you that you are wrong. Cambridge and wikipedia are both not trust worthy sites especially since you're trying to use definitions to dispute historical and cultural claims. Look up the Salem Witch trails and tell me the ratio of guys to girls who were found guilty of being a witch and then killed.
Witch is not and has never been a term to only refer to females. It's actually a derogatory term used for Wiccans which is a belief many people held in europe before the 4th century, when everyone was forced into Christianity and is why witchcraft is trailed so heavily. Anyone worshiping or believing in anything that isn't god is herecy and worship of demons. The Wiccans didn't actually believe demons exist, let alone try to control them, it was actually people being prosecuted for a different belief.
Ebonmaw Dragon4 votesBut you quite are wrong in what you're saying. That's why I'm telling you that you are wrong. Cambridge and wikipedia are both not trust worthy sites especially since you're trying to use definitions to dispute historical and cultural claims. Look up the Salem Witch trails and tell me the ratio of guys to girls who were found guilty of being a witch and then killed.
Witch is not and has never been a term to only refer to females. It's actually a derogatory term used for Wiccans which is a belief many people held in europe before the 4th century, when everyone was forced into Christianity and is why witchcraft is trailed so heavily. Anyone worshiping or believing in anything that isn't god is herecy and worship of demons. The Wiccans didn't actually believe demons exist, let alone try to control them, it was actually people being prosecuted for a different belief.
Yes, there are male and female Wiccans.
And the words "Witch" and "Warlock" were created as the derogatory term used to reffer to them, Witch was used for Females and Warlock for males. Sure, now days Wiccans use the word "Witch" to talk about them with pride, regarless of the gender... But it simply not correct. And even the Wiccans have a word for female wiccans and male wiccans: The word "Wicce" pronounced (Wik-kay) designates the female and "Wicca" pronounced (Wik-kah) designates the male.
ProExpertKing1 votesWarlock was never used for male Wiccans. It's a totally different concept. I mean if you want to use the popularly depicted argument, then Warlocks can be both male and female and denotes someone who uses powers obtained from demons. Aka not a witch.
Ebonmaw Dragon3 votesWarlock was never used for male Wiccans. It's a totally different concept. I mean if you want to use the popularly depicted argument, then Warlocks can be both male and female and denotes someone who uses powers obtained from demons. Aka not a witch.
Wiccans did not used powers from demons, but that is that the Cristians believed, so, yeah, they called them like that.
And regardless of all that, the game is not talking about the religious aspects of the word. Bewitching Miss Fortune is not a Wiccan... its a Witch as defined in the modern days, and now days, as i pointed out before, witch is a term used for females.
And now that i mention that... technically speaking, the skinline is not even called "Witch Skins"... so, this whole conversation is pointless.
ProExpertKing1 votesSo then what's wrong with Bewitched Rakan or Yasuo? If you now admit that Witches are irrelevant and it's entirely under Riot control, do you still have an issue with the idea of having Bewitched Shen or Lucian?
The argument you still have is an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because it's how it's been done doesn't mean it's the way we have to keep doing it by a long shot. We wouldn't have so many good things today if we thought that way about anything.
Can you give me like a REAL ACTUAL reason why making Bewitched skins for male champions would be a bad thing?
Ebonmaw Dragon3 votesSo then what's wrong with Bewitched Rakan or Yasuo? If you now admit that Witches are irrelevant and it's entirely under Riot control, do you still have an issue with the idea of having Bewitched Shen or Lucian?
The argument you still have is an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because it's how it's been done doesn't mean it's the way we have to keep doing it by a long shot. We wouldn't have so many good things today if we thought that way about anything.
Can you give me like a REAL ACTUAL reason why making Bewitched skins for male champions would be a bad thing?
I guess not, it was more of a problem with the way that you said it in the original post/title.
After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future.
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I guess not, it was more of a problem with the way that you said it in the original post/title.
After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future.
Well that's not really true. Star Guardian is based around the magical girl genre which includes male characters just the same as female. They started off with female, Lux, as it was originally because the audio reference she had to sailor moon. They then slowly moved up to doing more of them because people wanted them and it just expanded. It wasn't exclusively female.
Witches however are generally looked at as Female, unless you follow Wiccan culture where witches can be male or female, as the term warlock is for followers of satan (apparently). But in most people's eye's outside that Witchs are Female, Warlocks are Male. So I for one don't see us having male bewitching skins here.
PARVDOX3 votes[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:18:21.421+0000) After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future.
The reason Ezreal was picked for the SG line is because he's a pretty boy, so it's not that hard of a stretch compared to Rakan and Xayah cross dressing
ZackTheWaffleMan6 votesCome on! Give us like Bewitched Rakan and Count Xayah to really throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing.
I think this would be cool, but it would be Count_ess_ Xayah, not Count Xayah
ProExpertKing1 votesWell Countess is just kinda symmentics, I doubt you would be super strung up about them using Count instead of Countess Xayah. People have this notion apparently that male witch skins won't sell but compare low playrate males to high playrate females. I think Bewitched Ezreal or Rakan would beat out Poppy or Cass easily. I mean they probably would beat out Lulu even with her like 6 year head start. lol
ZackTheWaffleMan4 votesFor the record, I'm exactly the type of person to get strung up about semantics.
4 Step Cadence5 votesCause they're stereotypical Halloween witches and witches are a staple Halloween decoration/costume.
Basically its not about historical accuracy or anything like that. Its about Halloween.
ProExpertKing1 votesSo if it's about halloween decoration and costumes
Why doesn't that allow males to dress up as witches? :thinking:
4 Step Cadence4 votesWhen have you ever seen a male witch Halloween costume or decoration? Cause I've never seen either. Guys don't dress up as witches on Halloween. Never seen a single dude ever dress like that. Never seen any male witch costumes. Nothing.
ProExpertKing1 votesThat is anecdotal and probably because you haven't seen me. My Mother is Wiccan and so I dress up as a witch just about every halloween. Got the black pointed hat with a buckle and everything.
4 Step Cadence5 votesAnd?
That's just you, not the majority of the male population.
ProExpertKing1 votesAnd?
A majority of the population doesn't even celebrate halloween.
4 Step Cadence6 votesSo you want male witches just because you're special and dress like one? Yeah, no. No one cares about historical accuracy on Halloween. Men don't dress as witches. They dress as warlocks and wizards, because in pop culture witches have always been a female thing. No amount of "mEn ArE wItChEs ToO" is going to change decades of "witches are only female" thinking.
MrEnds5 votesa witch is a woman and a warlock is a man
ProExpertKing1 votesUntrue
Arcade Lulu4 votesI honestly don't understand why you're so pressed about this
Just enjoy the cool skins
ProExpertKing1 votesWell I'm like 90% just being facetious. I think Bewitched MF is really cool but I don't really play her so would love a skin similar for someone like Rakan or Ezreal, two champs I play a lot. The reason why I WANT these skins so badly is because they are so cool and I feel like I'm being left out just because the champions who get these skins aren't ones I enjoy playing. Count Kassadin looks really cool but I'm so unwilling to play Kass at all that I'm never gonna use it. I don't find him fun and in fact, most of the time he feels infuriating to play, kinda like Riven.
The way I feel about it is like, it makes me 5% unhappy that it hasn't but would make me like 90% happy if it did. It's not like it's a glaring issue but it's a small thing that if they did, I would be extremely happy about it.
Arcade Lulu4 votesWell I'm like 90% just being facetious. I think Bewitched MF is really cool but I don't really play her so would love a skin similar for someone like Rakan or Ezreal, two champs I play a lot. The reason why I WANT these skins so badly is because they are so cool and I feel like I'm being left out just because the champions who get these skins aren't ones I enjoy playing. Count Kassadin looks really cool but I'm so unwilling to play Kass at all that I'm never gonna use it. I don't find him fun and in fact, most of the time he feels infuriating to play, kinda like Riven.
The way I feel about it is like, it makes me 5% unhappy that it hasn't but would make me like 90% happy if it did. It's not like it's a glaring issue but it's a small thing that if they did, I would be extremely happy about it.
So you made this whole thread, arguing with people just because champs YOU play didn't get halloween skins this year? ESPECIALLY when BOTH of those champs have gotten legendary skins this year already
Let's be honestly blunt here. Riot doesn't give 2 fucks about what would make 1 singular player happy among 8 million other players. Kass hasn't gotten a skin in YEARS, so it's a good thing that he got the skin instead of Ez or Rakan who have gotten (even more than one each) skins every damn year
I don't play most champs in this game, yet i don't start complaining and arguing with people on boards because my champs didn't get all of the cool skins this year
Like seriously, come on
ProExpertKing1 votesI didn't make this thread to argue, I made this thread mostly to see how open people are to the idea which is apparently violently against for no reason other than "tradition"
I gave Ezreal and Rakan as examples because they are people the two champions that people would most be open to having a bewitched skin for. Yasuo also would work fine and so does Lucian. Is that better?
Why do you care so much that something would make someone happy that you gotta come over and harass and insult them? That's super not cool bro. What's your actual problem? Can't you chill out a little? I never said I had an issue with Kass skins and you're acting like I'm demanding Ezreal and Rakan get more skins but I'm not. I'm just saying it would be a cool idea that maybe they could put up on their board of ideas.
You've taken this way to seriously and the only thing you need that's serious is to seriously calm down. I have no idea what your issue is but don't start coming at me just because I said "I had this idea, I think it's cool." I don't need your negativty and it's certainly not welcomed.
Arcade Lulu4 votesI didn't make this thread to argue, I made this thread mostly to see how open people are to the idea which is apparently violently against for no reason other than "tradition"
I gave Ezreal and Rakan as examples because they are people the two champions that people would most be open to having a bewitched skin for. Yasuo also would work fine and so does Lucian. Is that better?
Why do you care so much that something would make someone happy that you gotta come over and harass and insult them? That's super not cool bro. What's your actual problem? Can't you chill out a little? I never said I had an issue with Kass skins and you're acting like I'm demanding Ezreal and Rakan get more skins but I'm not. I'm just saying it would be a cool idea that maybe they could put up on their board of ideas.
You've taken this way to seriously and the only thing you need that's serious is to seriously calm down. I have no idea what your issue is but don't start coming at me just because I said "I had this idea, I think it's cool." I don't need your negativty and it's certainly not welcomed.
Yasuo - Already got a battle boss skin this year and an odyssey skin late last year Lucian - Already got Demacian vice skin this year and a legendary high noon skin late last year
I'm not saying i'm opposed to Bewitching ezreal or rakan, i think they could look really cool, but the champs you pick for examples are really bad examples, ngl
In what way am i harassing or insulting you? Does me not agreeing with you, or thinking that your examples are extremely bad mean that i'm harassing you, yikes
Just looking at this whole thread (and the other thread you made about this) tells us that you're the one who needs to chill People have proven you false multiple times in here, but you just keep coming up with new reasons why we need male bewitching skins, and you will be proven false again and again
If you can't handle people commenting your posts, and possibly disagreeing with you and proving your points wrong, don't make the post in the 1st place
You can want skins, but you wanting them isn't going to make those skins happen
Kanzler3 votesI love how this thread got derailed by the semantics surrounding the gender of a witch.
Arakadia1 votesPeople are trying to avoid the obvious double standard for skins, thats all.
ModEvangele3 votes
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