Do you think Kayle is just, or misguided?

Wofye·12/27/2014, 12:33:53 AM·2 votes·2,035 views

I often find myself comparing Kayle to Kuvira (From legend of Korra)

For those who don't know, here's a piece on Kuvira: "During her time in Zaofu, Kuvira was generally a caring person with a warm disposition, loyal and obedient to authority, following orders from her former superiors with no protest.[9] However, during her campaign to restore order, her demeanor changed to one of self-righteousness and she demonstrates a capacity to be aggressive to those who defy her or criticize her motives" (Taken from http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Kuvira).

And would you guys think she is, would you like to see her realize this and attempt to make up with her sister?

I personally would like to see her make up with her sister. While giving her a more enlightened, armorless skin.

12 Comments

Rebonack12/28/2014, 6:26:09 AM5 votes

Morgana now willingly fights in the League of Legends for the privilege of being able to destroy her sister again, and again, and again.

To Kayle, justice can so often be an ugly thing.

One of these characters relishes killing her sister endlessly in the League. The other finds the taking of a life, even the life of someone she considers evil, an ugly thing.

We don't know what the 'freedoms' that Morg's side of things are fighting to uphold are. Freedom isn't necessarily a good thing, it can be used to commit atrocities just like any other ideal. We don't know what is consider 'justice' or 'evil' by Kayle and her ilk, either. Though apparently they aren't keen on soul binding/siphoning magic if Morg is any indication.

There isn't enough information on either side to really got a good feel for what's up with this conflict.

Too bad it's just going to get retconed along with all the other extra-universal champions. Guess we'll never know.

Overlord Forte12/27/2014, 3:04:46 AM5 votes

The big caveat is whether or not Riot is going to maintain their inter-dimensional racial heritage. As is, the current horizon points to them being made into singular beings of old times (hi Darkin), rather than interlopers. In respect to their current story ...

Kayle isn't misguided, only a product of her society. She's a living enforcer of civilized order, as her people understand and dictate the idea. The necessities of this position generally force people into a binary perspective, by far and large giving them great moral agency and clarity in what they do. When this position is challenged, they can only fight against it because it would undermine their personal integrity. It's a very classical argument from Dungeons and Dragons, specifically with regard to Lawful Good aligned beings (Paladins, etc).

Good as dictated by a society can be atrocities in any other. Honor killing is a popular gray zone for this: if society, in both culture and religion, dictate honor killing as the morally just route, a Lawful Good being following this procedure is in fact Lawful Good. This falls apart when you apply our (as in, the players playing the game) morality, because we see it through a fundamentally different lens. The vague and aloof notion of some higher 'universal good', which in itself is a binary interpretation, is a dangerous concept to apply. If there is a higher good, then all others are fundamentally evil because they are not aligned with it.

So on, so forth.

I don't think Kayle can make up with Morgana because they are too far committed to their causes. Old wounds left in the soul forever, words spoken that can never be taken back, etcetra ... The only end to their feud is the death of the other, because their grand plan has no room for the opposer in it.

DarkerGrey12/27/2014, 2:29:20 AM5 votes

Both lores are narrated from different perspectives, so it's a matter of who has the most solid account.

Kayle Kayle is supposedly fighting a war against evil, and exterminates people who she deems beyond redemption. Acording to Kayle, Morgana is a rebel, but doesn't go into much detail.

Morgana Morgana claims that she fought against the tyranny of her kind, going to extremes such as using forbidden magic. Acording to Morgana, Kayle disowned her when she didn't join her cause.

Morgana's account is way more detailed and easy to believe, while Kayle's in a way confirms what Morgana says. Kayle fights against "evil", listening only to her own values. This could easily be confused with tyranny.

Morality in Runeterra is never black and white, yet Kayle thinks otherwise. For these reasons, I believe Kayle is indeed misguided and forced her own beliefs on her people, while Morgana is just the result of that. Morgana doesn't have any reason to lie about what really happened, while Kayle might do so protect her own image as an adjudicator.

Forbidden Siren12/27/2014, 2:35:39 AM3 votes

I always thought Morgana is misunderstood by her sister, Kayle, who is stuck in her own idealism of order/value.

Chromatic Eagle12/30/2014, 2:00:37 AM2 votes

Every time I try to avoid Avatar: LoK spoilers, I keep running into them.

Celio Hogane HD12/27/2014, 9:14:19 PM2 votes

ha, NO, kayle is way not just, she is the kind of "You are with me or you are going to die"

Diana x Me12/27/2014, 4:39:17 AM1 votes

As said before there is no clearly defined good or evil in LoL.

What is deemed as evil is only evil to the opposition. Everyone believes they are doing what is just. For example we think terrorist are evil but, their supporters they think we are evil. It's perspective. Personally I think Morgana is the one who is just and Kayle is the opposite.

Chromatic Eagle12/30/2014, 1:55:13 AM1 votes

They never went into much detail about their past lives, so I'm usually a bit surprised when people are dead set on making Morgana the emo victim while Kayle is the oppressive authority figure.

Der Lindwurm12/27/2014, 3:50:39 AM1 votes

I think the fact that Kayle allied herself with Demacia shows that she actually agrees with the idea that everyone has rights and rulers must be just and even-handed rather than that might makes right and who oppose her must die by her hand. If Morgana's accusations really held true, I think Kayle would have sided with Noxus. But instead it was Morgana who, after decrying Kayle's tyranny, sided with the most tyrannical faction on Runeterra. Probably, they're both a bit hypocritical (if about different things) and more like each other than they care to admit.