Uh Why the hate for Kayn?

RIP K0BEBRYANT24·6/28/2017, 3:11:47 AM·32 votes·5,091 views

Honestly I really don't understand it? Like yes he looks straight like hes out of an anime just like 80 % of the other characters in this game. Yes he has long emo hair like 80 % of the posters on this board does. The number 1 complaint i've read though is that he's an "Edgelord" Uhm does anyone on this board know what that even means? An Edgelord is literally someone on the internet who is super angsty and shit like that and usually thinks hes some tough shit. But in the game he IS tough shit, like it really just feels like people just want to bitch about anime looking characters for some reason. In game he doesn't even angst LOL. Like I just want actual concrete reasons why hes a bad character.

158 Comments

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO6/28/2017, 3:12:54 AM28 votes

People think they're cool because they don't like the theme. This happens almost every time a champion is released, and honestly the standards for characters has only gotten higher.

GreenLore6/28/2017, 9:15:19 AM22 votes

Honestly I feel like Kayn on his own is kinda bland.

I mean if Rhaast was just a regular scythe,then what would make Kayn unique among the cast? Pretty much only the fact that he uses a scythe,which is tbh a rather weak theme.

However I have to say that Rhaast on his own isn't much better,without Kayn he'd come off as a regular demon(or more precisely darkin in this case),just with a scythe instead of a sword.Though I guess Rhaast is more liked than Kayn simply because Rhaast is such a deadpan snarker.He provides the more funny lines in their VO.

Together though?I think together they are actually well designed champ.

Unpaladin6/28/2017, 3:45:33 PM8 votes

"Edgelord anti hero" is a character archetype that's been done to death and never had any potential to begin with. Nowadays it's best done ironically, which... this character doesn't do. I've been pining for a new humanoid character with some kind of special weapon for a good while now and we get this, which is just so absurd I can hardly believe this is a thing.

His quotes seem uninspired and the stripe in his hair looks fucking ridiculous. I know Anthony Birch works on the LoL design team but it's like he took over and made the design himself. Him and his old crew used to exclusively make characters that looked and acted almost exactly like this, and it's still embarassing to look at.

Dataless6/28/2017, 2:16:55 PM8 votes

I don't hate Kayn, but his entire... well, everything just sorta makes me want to roll my eyes.

The one redeeming part of the character is that his introduction means more Darkin lore, and lore makes me happy.

SEKAI6/28/2017, 9:24:00 AM7 votes

The problem is that some people for whatever reason think Grim Reaper scythe and demons is about "anime".
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think being "edgy" is not an attitude but association with shadows and demons.
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think having a good face is about "anime".
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think there is a difference between this guy's "there's a demon inside of me" and Sion's "I am a monster", because apparently the latter is good writing and the former is "anime" and bad writing.
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think generic design or cliche, whether or not it is actually true, must be "anime".
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think anything they don't like at first glance, or anything in their opinion is of bad quality, is immediately "anime".
The problem is that some people for whatever reason think that he must be shit because they think he's "anime".

The problem is that this kind of reasoning is utterly prejudicial and blatantly nonsensical, and that they don't realise they themselves are often as edgy as shit hence why we even have this hate in the first place.

Jerry SeinfeId6/28/2017, 1:51:04 PM7 votes

Shit idk, maybe there's people that don't like edgelords? Also as for your definition i'm sure you're not wrong but words change over time, considering the majority of people call characters like him, shadow the hedgehog, Reaper, etc edgy characters can follow and edgy theme and their definition is fine.

Why the boards don't love him idk, i guess his appearance is just too edgy compared to jhin who just acts like he's an edgelord on drugs. However as jhin words his BS in such a way it sounds philosophical people would love to get on their knees for him. He does have an overloaded kit tho.

And i mean his appearance srsly pushes me away from him, the whole discount sasuke animu edgelord thing kinda wore off on me. I DO like Reaper in overwatch for example, not like my favourite character but i do like his for of Edgy. And even going back to the anime example Sasuke is just an edgy lil bitch while itachi is certainly edgy but still cool.

Also saying 80% of the champs are anime thropes is a bit much. I think we're past the point where 80% here have long emo hair. The ones that are fine with kayn don't care, those who have complaints make themselves heard.

You can be shooting rainbows ingame, if your lore is edgy you are edgy. I your looks are this edgy tho, your lore won't even matter.

tldr Edge isn't bad if handled correctly and even then it's personal preference. Vocal minority, words' definitions change over time, lore/looks is/are often what defines a character.

Wrathof3006/28/2017, 4:10:39 AM4 votes

The "Edgelord" thing is a meme, but he is an Edgelord in lore, I can feel it. he's the kind of character gonna attack Shen and get styled on, and Zed's gonna be like "lul, told you so." I think he's a great addition, especially since there where ppl that wanted a Zed apprentice as a champion and those that wanted a scythe champ, 2 birds one stone.

Raoul6/28/2017, 11:39:45 AM4 votes

Funny thing is: Back in the old forum, around season 3 or so, I actually made a champion concept with an ability that allowed you to walk through terrain, but instead of healing you, it got you a disadvantage so that you took more magic damage while you could walk through terrain...

Back then everyone called the ability stupidly broken and the thread was downvoted hard...

Now we get a champion who cant just walk through terrain, it als HEALS him...

thecowley6/28/2017, 3:43:55 AM4 votes

I dont think he is bad, gameplay or art design, but im not gonna play him. I dont enjoy that as a theme that i want to explore. He is "edgy" in that "I am an assasian struggling with the soul of my weapon" Its in lots of things, not just eastern anime/manga. Ive never particually enjoyed it. you can explore the themes in other more stimulating ways in my opinion by making a good character forced to make blood decisions to save a greater good. Then they have to say themselves, am i becoming the monsters i hate ect. Have an acutally monster that trying to take your character over instead, isnt all that interesting to me

The Whamboozler6/28/2017, 7:46:11 AM3 votes

My reason for disliking him is this. I'm not an anime fan.

BAM! Simple as that. I'm kinda not into all the anime shit that is all the fuck over this game. And that in and of itself isn't THAT bad... but I REALLY like the idea of a fighter-type hero who uses a Scythe. Scythes are fucking badass. In particular, I'd have loved to see a gothic-style character with a scythe... like something out of Bloodborne or Darkest Dungeon. I love that shit.

But because this animu douchebag has it, they're never gonna make that cool gothic champion I'd love to see. They're not gonna make a second scythe guy... so I've gotta play the anime edgelord weeb-bait dude or nothing. And that blows. I know all you guys love his ass, but to me he's a freakin' let down... because he took an idea I DID like, and turned it into something I have little to no interest in.

That is why I personally hate on the edgy son of a bitch. Well that and his personality is bland as all fuck.... but that's a pretty common issue with Riot's characters.